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Counter-offensive?
In HoI2, one can easily start an counter-offensive. In HoI3, 1941 playing with Soviets it's nearly impossible. :p

How many soviets be standing around Grodno and Slonim?
 

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An interesting look at Stalin.

I feel bad that you have the "German" version of HoI. Gorink, LOL!

Well I have bought Hoi2 three times and one of them actually is the German version :mad: the other two are not... Gamersgate ftw :D

Counter-offensive?
In HoI2, one can easily start an counter-offensive. In HoI3, 1941 playing with Soviets it's nearly impossible. :p

How many soviets be standing around Grodno and Slonim?

Too many! The whole Belorussian Front has nearly 30 or so, with app. 20 pushing towards Grodno. It's a tough struggle!
 

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Cannot understand why Joe doesn't like the good stratetic skills of Adi. It's pure art, for Goshness' sake!

:D
 

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Don't give up an inch of ground! Cowards and traitors will be shot!
 

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Operation Phoenix: Day 3 (17th of July, 1941) The Kessel of Bialystok, part I

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Vehicles of the Panzer-Aufklärungs-Abteilung 59 enroute to Alytus

The Memel river (german name) connects the two towns of Alytus and Grodno. It was reached by the forward elements of the 8. Panzerdivision in the afternoon while the fighting in the town was still ongoing. A huge stone bridge crossed the Memel to the south east exit of the town and taking it had been a priority of the Panzer-Aufklärungs-Abteilung 59.
A lone Panzerspähwagen Sd.Kfz.231 stood directly in front of the bridge and it's commander had dismounted and looked at the mess. The Russians had attempted to blow up the bridge but somehow not all charges had detonated. The middle part of the bridge looked still passable and was broad enough for even a Panzer III to carefully drive past it. Gunfire could be heard from the other side. A hastily deployed defence position with a MG had to be taken out and his men were busy doing just that when his operator looked out of the turrent of the car and passed him the handset.
“Yes? Really? Why, of course I have understood. I will give the order.”
He handed the handset back and looked up. “Withdraw our men from the other side,” he said to the operator. “We take up positions here.”

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Emblem of the 8. Panzerdivision

The divisions of the 4. Panzergruppe had been stopped by a Führerbefehl, a direct order of Hitler himself. The reconnaissance had reported heavy dug-in soviet resistance around Grodno and the Führer had done what most of his generals feared: he had intercepted directly and brought the offensive to a halt. Chief of the OKW Alfred Jodl and Generalfeldmarschall von Bock had tried in vain to convince him of the tactical necessity to continue the advance and use the remaining forward momentum of the Panzers but the Führer would not have it. After a second attempt to change his mind his generals had given up, frustrated. The 4. Panzergruppe would wait in Alytus until the 3. Panzergruppe would have taken Slonim and could race northward to assist with the attack on Grodno. As long as Slonim was not taken, the 4. PG would wait in Alytus and in the meantime the russian General Pavlov and his four tank divisions would gain precious hours to further strengthen their defence. The closing of the Kessel of Bialystok would have to wait. Meanwhile General Konev of the Belorussian Front witnessed the sheer angst of his soldiers of an encirclement. He had given the order to support the defence of Grodnos and some units were marching towards the town when panik had struck and more and more divisons started to flee east to reach the still open Grodno. Signs of disintegration where everywhere, equipment left along the way. The worst case happened when two rifle divisions who were ordered to stand and fight by their political commissars had simply disarmed and shot them before they had dissolved and fled. General Konev could hardly believe it.

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At 2130 hours finally came the awaited signal from the 6. Panzerkorps of von Manstein: “Slonim taken!”
Just half an hour later, as darkness crept across the battlefield at Slonim, it happened: the Russian Central Front of General Malinin started the counter-offensive against the town! The general had received Stalin's orders and threw his last mobile reserves against the german lines. The 8th and the 16th Mechanized Corps were tasked to achieve a breakthrough and eventually retake Bielsk. The flank they attacked was protected by two units of the 7th Panzerkorps of von Kleist, one of them being the 20. Infantriedivision (mot) with the Panzerjäger-Abteilung 20. They fought like madmen during the night and shot down tank after tank. In the early morning light the attack lost it's strength and crumbled,the survivors fleeing east. Malinins counterattack had been a failure but the battle for Grodno had just begun.
 

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Oh man, hard fighting gonna happen! Let's hope you can close off a meaningful pocket. :eek:
 

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Let's hope that this is the beginning of a huge breakthrough!

Although I doubt it, somehow... The STAVKA will find a way to avoid that, I'm afraid.
 

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Oh man, hard fighting gonna happen! Let's hope you can close off a meaningful pocket. :eek:
Let's hope that this is the beginning of a huge breakthrough!
Although I doubt it, somehow... The STAVKA will find a way to avoid that, I'm afraid.

You two have read my AAR, no doubt :)
Without giving to much away I will tell you that this is (unfortunately) not the final word in this Operation.
 

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The Fuhrer and his Befehls........
 

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Well you are not only holding but also have breached the front on the North and the Center, which can give you chances for encyrcling and destroying enemy divisions.

Since you have air superiority i'm confident that no matter what Werther does you 'll manage the better of them!

By the way could i suggest a plan? if you dont have enough forces to force a breakthrough, why dont you let them break your lines, go like 2 provinces in and then (having pre-planned this) strike at the connecting province (let them break in 1 or 2) thus cutting them off their supply, encyrcling and destroying them? The territory they'll enter is polish anyway, so you dont have important industry there.

Unless of course you 're role-playing and Hitler won't allow you to.;)
 

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Maj. von Mauser: Yeah - you have a campaign going but he keeps interfering... :rolleyes:

Kamlah: Air superiority is my only hope at times. I am roleplaying but that does not mean a change of strategy is not going to happen - as soon as the OKW analyzes the mistakes made. And of course given the Führer does not object (which is a bit unlikely). I tend to restrict myself quite a bit as far as the "roleplaying" is concerned. But that really is intended - there are other aars out there that describe perfectly well how to exploit the AI on VH and I have absolutely no intentions to do it myself.

Enewald: I am at it! While I have reduced my strategic aims to reach the Stalin Line before winter I am not even sure if I can pull that one of - but I promise not to give up if I lose but instead play on!

This aar is also a good proof what the Hoi2-AI is capable of as far as land combat is concerned. I think it is performing well atm. :)

You can expect an update tonight, dear readAARs :D
 
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Operation Phoenix: Day 3 (17th of July, 1941) The Romanian front

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Soldiers of the 11. Armee attempt to cross the Pruth

During the night of the third day of the Operation the 11. Armee along with the allied troops of Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania began their assault across the Pruth river towards the hills south-west of the town of Iasi. The main aim was a distraction and a relief of the Heeresgruppe Süd attacking Stanislawow.
A total of 26 divisions led by general Strauss faced 10 dug-in Soviet divisions led by Marshal Kuznetsov. While the defenders had time to prepare themselves the attackers had used their time as well. This was a very carefully prepared offensive! At 0100 hours an artillery bombardment shook the ground on the other side of the Pruth. Every half an hour it moved 100 metres further north-east raining death and fiery destruction. Without bunkers the defenders were hit hard and ere they knew it storm pioneers had raced across the river in boats, establishing bridgeheads on the other side. When the MGs of the defenders started to hammer, the Germans, Hungarians and Romanians had gained ground at twelve different places and would not release their positions.
Only the Bulgarians had failed to reach their aim. Opposite their section of the Pruth the hills came very close to the river and the 58th Mountain Division of General Marchenkov was defending them with well-placed infantry guns. Two attacking waves of the Bulgarians were shattered with over 400 dead when they finally called off their vain attempt. Only later, when the more successful Romanians had crossed the Pruth to the south the 58. Division retreated because of the danger of being flanked.
The battle of the Pruth was won on that day, but the price had been high.
 
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Myth: More are coming - a grand total of 40 allied divs on the southern front should make for the extra punch :D

Dadaanian: They fought well just had a bad spot assigned. Bad luck I'd say.
 

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Fantastic! Get those Allied divisions in on the fighting. :D

On first line, to take the brunt of the Soviet fire? ;):D