Organisation

[msaaim89]

I always felt organisation should be removed in order for the game to have more emphasis on manpower; making loss of manpower have a bigger impact. Without organisation you can also simulate Eastern Front rules such as no retreating and so a battle continues until one side loses all its men. Could end up with some epic battles at Moscow, Berlin or wherever a supply line is about to be cut.

Should organisation be kept or removed? What advantages and disadvantages do they have.


P.S Am I correct in assuming both Hitler and Stalin implemented no retreat on Eastern Front? My history knowledge isn't half as good as the majority of people on this forum so please enlighten me.

Edit: I just realised Bullfrog has created a somewhat related thread.

 

[PlacidDragon]

P.S Am I correct in assuming both Hitler and Stalin implemented no retreat on Eastern Front? My history knowledge isn't half as good as the majority of people on this forum so please enlighten me.

At various points in the war, yes.

Stalin issued it at some point after Germany attacked (in 1942 if i recall ?), then Hitler issued it once the fortunes of war changed, and Germany ended up on the defensive (Stalingrad is probably the best example).

 

[zeekater]

I wouldn't remove it, but it could use some refinement. Most of the time divisions didn't fight until the last man, they would retreat before that, even if given the order to fight to the last man.
Organisation helps simulate units that are out of supply too.

As to your PS, Stalin did so in the first year of the war, with some pretty nasty results, but after that he got smarter and left military matters mostly to the Stavka, the military high command. Hitler did so all the time.

 

[dschoen]

If it's understrength units you're after, then a better solution might be to greatly reduce reinforcement rate. Currently, battered divisions reinforce extremely quickly. You rarely see understrength divisions in action, which is a shame since a lot of the fighting on the Eastern Front was between units operating at 50% strength or less.

I think organization is a useful metric and should stay, but strength could be made more important by slowing down unit reinforcement.