Oranje,
You are holding out and slowly making gains, but it sure is an 'interesting' time for you!
Fun to read also!
You are holding out and slowly making gains, but it sure is an 'interesting' time for you!
Fun to read also!
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Will the hague crack or will there be more dead bodies? When will you try to negotiate peace? Die spanish, yes die.
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'We must do more than defeat their armies, we must destroy them.' General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson
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'We must do more than defeat their armies, we must destroy them.' General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson
Hello hjarg,
Scotland had problems enough of their own as it was; whereas the Poles ofxourse are only trying to help their allies.
As to the independance thingy, I started out with just one province allright, but boy are we an independant lot
I guess your point is to get the remaining three Spanish provinces in the lowlands
(oops, sorry, now you know how the present war ends already)
That'll not be easy though. To win two provinces I need to conquer four in any war to be on the safe side in peace negotiations.
Well there's only three left that I can reach now (still not a single ship in the Dutch navy).
Also, after pissing off my allies two times in a row by not awarding them any spoils of war, I'm not so sure they'll step in next time, unless I would improve relations somewhat beforehand. That would cost lots of money though, that I would much rather spend at home.
We'll see. I don't know really as I'm just a few years ahead of the story in my game.
By the way I play with no reloads, if you're wondering, except for the 'enough gaming for today' saves.
greetings, Oranje
Oh yes, I forgot, thanks for all the feedback. It's really needed to keep the thing going (not my game, the story).
I'm not so sure I would keep playing so slow and make notes all the time if I didn't get the idea that at least a few people out there enjoy it.
Thanks again,
greetings, Oranje
I'm not so sure I would keep playing so slow and make notes all the time if I didn't get the idea that at least a few people out there enjoy it.
Thanks again,
greetings, Oranje
Enjoy it!! Yes! All the AARs. It's really amazing that people are so enthralled with this game that they're willing to take the time and effort to write an AAR of their game exploits; and others are anxious to read them!
I've been more anxious to read them as 'game day' gets closer for me.
I've been more anxious to read them as 'game day' gets closer for me.
Please keep the current detail! It's what makes this AAR special and keeps me check many times a day if you haven't updated by any chance.
It's beginning of the year 1507 and look how many pages already. It will be the most detailed AAR ever. So please keep it that way!!!
It's beginning of the year 1507 and look how many pages already. It will be the most detailed AAR ever. So please keep it that way!!!
oranje,
i suddenly felt guilty for not giving any input so far--despite checking the thread for your next installment literally every few hours it's been a great read so far, and i'm actually tracking your progress on a map of the lowlands (it's an EU screenshot of nw europe, just drawing borders on that using MSPaint ) Your detailed account really brings the game to life. And it's always fun watching a vulnerable nation grow in power. Can barely wait for the liberation of the entire Netherlands; good luck.
tuna
i suddenly felt guilty for not giving any input so far--despite checking the thread for your next installment literally every few hours
it's been a great read so far, and i'm actually tracking your progress on a map of the lowlands (it's an EU screenshot of nw europe, just drawing borders on that using MSPaint ) Your detailed account really brings the game to life. And it's always fun watching a vulnerable nation grow in power. Can barely wait for the liberation of the entire Netherlands; good luck.tuna
Keep up this great AAR
you AAR should be added to the game when it ships(at least in the netherlands)
maybe a good idea add to the box a book filled whit the best AARS
[This message has been edited by Ivo_tentije (edited 06-01-2001).]
you AAR should be added to the game when it ships(at least in the netherlands)
maybe a good idea add to the box a book filled whit the best AARS
[This message has been edited by Ivo_tentije (edited 06-01-2001).]
Oranje's Dutch AAR, part 8 1507-1509
1507 Jan-Apr
The Polish incursion into our home province can not be tolerated ofcourse and van Rossem's is closing in on them from the south, as well as another 9k Kleve detachment from Munster in the east.
January 16 van Rossem and his 18k army arrive in Holland province and confront the Poles. Next I know the Polish Cossacks (or whatever they call their horrible cavalry) are running circles around van Rossem's army,
which gets demoralized at just the sight of it. Actually we loose the battle in just a few days, and only van Rossem's abilities ensure that our casualties stay limited to just 4k men. van Rossem orderes an orderly retreat into Zeeland.
The Poles, obviously drunk with Victory, then march on The Hague and attack the much larger siege force there.
Luckily there's more cavalry present there then in van Rossem's army, and morale has recovered from the last storm attempt. Karel van Gelre orders every single allied camp to cover up battle preparations as much as possible but to prepare for a decisive battle nonetheless.
The horns of Karel van Gelre's Bataljon sound the attack as soon as the Poles come into sight.
A massive attack is launched on the Poles, coordinated by Karel's adjudants.
Ostrogski never dreamt his worst defeat would occur in The Netherlands (well almost), but he is soundly defeated this time. Well, he should have rested his forces of course, but maybe he hoped to find a siege army with only low moral. Bad luck . The poor remains of his army quickly retreat to the east.
Februari 23 Another storm attempt on The Hague, some of the defending forces are killed, but the fortress still doesn't surrender. The next assault in april brings the defending garrison down to just 900 men and a few canons, one more time .......
May-Dec
May 1 The Hague finally surrenders to Karel.
It is then decided we should make peace with the enemy, and a peace treaty giving us control over Friesland and The Hague is quickly signed. Kustrin returns to Brandenburg government; Hainaut, Artois and Luxemburg return to Spanish rule.
May 7 The French make peace with Spain as well, gaining Franche-Comté and Roussillon provinces. Roussillon had fallen to France just days before. As the war had been started by Savoy, this peace treaty is only a separate peace; Scotland is still at war with France while another war now exists between Scotland and the other members of the French alliance. Spain also is still at war with Savoy + allies.
In September Spain agrees to peace with Savoy, and receives a handsome 250D in return.
In November a small Swedish expeditionary force lands in Scotland's Lothian province, and is quickly wiped out by the Scottish main army of 51k soldiers. Next the French seem to be shipping an army up north.
1508
We promote another official in Flanders, further strengthening our economy. This promotion will bring in some extra revenue and decrease the revolt risk.
In the beginning of the year the French beat the Scots in Lothian, heavily against the odds, and they lay siege to Edinborough, while the Scots flee north.
After some time the French get assistance from another smal Swedish contingent, but even combined, the 8k siege force is not big enough to constitute a serious threat for the Edinborough fortress.
In July the Treaty of Tordesillas between Portugal and Spain is ratified by the Holy Father, which we deem an unnecessary and unwarranted act. This treaty will allow the Spanish and Portuguese to take over any other catholic nations' colonies in the new world without even declaring war. A shameless treaty indeed!
In September Spain has apparently messed up their relations with another new tribe in the America's and declares war on the Inca.
The Netherlands send another 4 merchants to the market in Constantinopel / Istanbul.
1509
We recruite a modest additional reinforcement for the Dutch army, 1.000 Cavalarists and our first 10 canons.
Then we receive word that there is much enthousiasm for the army among the people; another 5.500 Infanterists and 1.100 Cavalarists have volunteered for the army and have been graciously equiped by private commercial interests. Great!
Another Swedish army comes to the aid of the siege army in Lothian, bringing the total number of men available to 14k, which now start a serious siege.
A declaration of war by the Teutonic Order against Pskov is strangely followed by a white peace again just one month later; apparently the TO misjudged the strength of the enemy.
In july the Scottish main army has finally recovered from its earlier defeat against the French and attacks the siege army near Edinborough, while Navarra reinforcements are making their way ashore.
The Scots defeat all intruders to the last man, they've still got 30k men left.
Then Savoy and Scotland make peace, leaving just France at war with the Scots.
In December the French have landed another 10k army in Scotland.
Victory Points at the end of the year read:
1. The Netherlands 269 (157 military, 74 diplomatic)
2. Spain 250 (157 mil, 46 dipl)
3. France (145 mil, 54 economic)
4. Turkey 95 (48 military)
greetings, Oranje
1507 Jan-Apr
The Polish incursion into our home province can not be tolerated ofcourse and van Rossem's is closing in on them from the south, as well as another 9k Kleve detachment from Munster in the east.
January 16 van Rossem and his 18k army arrive in Holland province and confront the Poles. Next I know the Polish Cossacks (or whatever they call their horrible cavalry) are running circles around van Rossem's army,
which gets demoralized at just the sight of it. Actually we loose the battle in just a few days, and only van Rossem's abilities ensure that our casualties stay limited to just 4k men. van Rossem orderes an orderly retreat into Zeeland.
The Poles, obviously drunk with Victory, then march on The Hague and attack the much larger siege force there.
Luckily there's more cavalry present there then in van Rossem's army, and morale has recovered from the last storm attempt. Karel van Gelre orders every single allied camp to cover up battle preparations as much as possible but to prepare for a decisive battle nonetheless.
The horns of Karel van Gelre's Bataljon sound the attack as soon as the Poles come into sight.
A massive attack is launched on the Poles, coordinated by Karel's adjudants.
Ostrogski never dreamt his worst defeat would occur in The Netherlands (well almost), but he is soundly defeated this time. Well, he should have rested his forces of course, but maybe he hoped to find a siege army with only low moral. Bad luck
. The poor remains of his army quickly retreat to the east.Februari 23 Another storm attempt on The Hague, some of the defending forces are killed, but the fortress still doesn't surrender. The next assault in april brings the defending garrison down to just 900 men and a few canons, one more time .......
May-Dec
May 1 The Hague finally surrenders to Karel.
It is then decided we should make peace with the enemy, and a peace treaty giving us control over Friesland and The Hague is quickly signed. Kustrin returns to Brandenburg government; Hainaut, Artois and Luxemburg return to Spanish rule.
May 7 The French make peace with Spain as well, gaining Franche-Comté and Roussillon provinces. Roussillon had fallen to France just days before. As the war had been started by Savoy, this peace treaty is only a separate peace; Scotland is still at war with France while another war now exists between Scotland and the other members of the French alliance. Spain also is still at war with Savoy + allies.
In September Spain agrees to peace with Savoy, and receives a handsome 250D in return.
In November a small Swedish expeditionary force lands in Scotland's Lothian province, and is quickly wiped out by the Scottish main army of 51k soldiers. Next the French seem to be shipping an army up north.
1508
We promote another official in Flanders, further strengthening our economy. This promotion will bring in some extra revenue and decrease the revolt risk.
In the beginning of the year the French beat the Scots in Lothian, heavily against the odds, and they lay siege to Edinborough, while the Scots flee north.
After some time the French get assistance from another smal Swedish contingent, but even combined, the 8k siege force is not big enough to constitute a serious threat for the Edinborough fortress.
In July the Treaty of Tordesillas between Portugal and Spain is ratified by the Holy Father, which we deem an unnecessary and unwarranted act. This treaty will allow the Spanish and Portuguese to take over any other catholic nations' colonies in the new world without even declaring war. A shameless treaty indeed!
In September Spain has apparently messed up their relations with another new tribe in the America's and declares war on the Inca.
The Netherlands send another 4 merchants to the market in Constantinopel / Istanbul.
1509
We recruite a modest additional reinforcement for the Dutch army, 1.000 Cavalarists and our first 10 canons.
Then we receive word that there is much enthousiasm for the army among the people; another 5.500 Infanterists and 1.100 Cavalarists have volunteered for the army and have been graciously equiped by private commercial interests. Great!
Another Swedish army comes to the aid of the siege army in Lothian, bringing the total number of men available to 14k, which now start a serious siege.
A declaration of war by the Teutonic Order against Pskov is strangely followed by a white peace again just one month later; apparently the TO misjudged the strength of the enemy.
In july the Scottish main army has finally recovered from its earlier defeat against the French and attacks the siege army near Edinborough, while Navarra reinforcements are making their way ashore.
The Scots defeat all intruders to the last man, they've still got 30k men left.
Then Savoy and Scotland make peace, leaving just France at war with the Scots.
In December the French have landed another 10k army in Scotland.
Victory Points at the end of the year read:
1. The Netherlands 269 (157 military, 74 diplomatic)
2. Spain 250 (157 mil, 46 dipl)
3. France (145 mil, 54 economic)
4. Turkey 95 (48 military)
greetings, Oranje
Those nasty Poles!! Barbarians!! How dare they attack the Dutch!
Well anyway, you've finally taken The Hague, that's good.
You are first in victory points - is that right? Or is that just military/diplomatic?
Thanks Oranje; nice detail. Appreciate the effort.
BTW, you may want to use cavalrymen and morale instead of cavalarists and moral.
Everyone seems to say moral - wrong word. Sorry, not trying to nit pick anyone.
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Well anyway, you've finally taken The Hague, that's good.
You are first in victory points - is that right? Or is that just military/diplomatic?
Thanks Oranje; nice detail. Appreciate the effort.
BTW, you may want to use cavalrymen and morale instead of cavalarists and moral.
Everyone seems to say moral - wrong word. Sorry, not trying to nit pick anyone.
[This message has been edited by KRonn (edited 07-01-2001).]
Yes, and I like Infanty or Infantrymen. New boost to the army. Who is the next target? Spain still? They still control your rightful lands don't they. And some cannons those should help in those long seiges. Death to the spanish. When will you prepare a fleet?
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'We must do more than defeat their armies, we must destroy them.' General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson
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'We must do more than defeat their armies, we must destroy them.' General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson
By the way oranje. This post is the #5 most responded to on this board in the past year. (For AAR topics). Way to go! We really appreciate it.
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'We must do more than defeat their armies, we must destroy them.' General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson
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'We must do more than defeat their armies, we must destroy them.' General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson
Looked at the list of AAR posts for the last year. And counted the ones that were higher than this one.
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'We must do more than defeat their armies, we must destroy them.' General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson
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'We must do more than defeat their armies, we must destroy them.' General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson
Hey, you got all the land and gave your allies nothing??? You truly are bad. Well, who is next then? Unite Germany under your rule? Revenge to the Polish? Conquer the France?
And a small question- if you play as a minor nation, is it possible to colonize the new world as well or do all your resources go to survival?
And a small question- if you play as a minor nation, is it possible to colonize the new world as well or do all your resources go to survival?
Hello Hjarg,
That is part of the reason it's fun to try the Dutch as a minor in the game.
They've got a bunch of explorers and admirals, these will start appearing near the end of the 16th century. I hope I'll be able to get some maps of the new world earlier than that though, through map trading or seabattles, in order not to find most of it colonized already when the Dutch finally get there.
greetings, Oranje
Originally posted by KRonn:
Those nasty Poles!! Barbarians!! How dare they attack the Dutch!
Well anyway, you've finally taken The Hague, that's good.
You are first in victory points - is that right? Or is that just military/diplomatic?
Thanks Oranje; nice detail. Appreciate the effort.
BTW, you may want to use cavalrymen and morale instead of cavalarists and moral.
Everyone seems to say moral - wrong word. Sorry, not trying to nit pick anyone.
[This message has been edited by KRonn (edited 07-01-2001).]
Hello KRonn,
I'll try to remember, my military English is obviously not so good
. As for VP's, yes we're still in first place, don't expect to keep it that way through much of the game though, because of the lack of Dutch explorers at this time in history.
greetings, Oranje
These AARs, and this one in particular, keep me somewhat sane in my neverending wait for this wonderful game. Great job!
Keep going Oranje. I can't wait to meet some people on the battlefield online. It will be so cool. As my troops valiantly carry the field, or get decimated either way will be fun. When is the next post? I'm getting anxious.
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'We must do more than defeat their armies, we must destroy them.' General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson
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'We must do more than defeat their armies, we must destroy them.' General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson