Option To Incentivize "Invite To Court"?

[General Karthos]

You see a courtier who's got a 22 diplomacy, and has the ambition to marry but he's one in a crowd of courtiers in the Holy Roman Empire. You've got a beautiful female courtier who's also looking to hook up, and what's more, you've got a county that's over your demesne limit. That courtier has "no reason to leave" and likes his liege too much. He has no claims on any titles.

How about giving us the option to offer this courtier a wife, a county, and a position in your council in exchange for coming to your court? Or at least offering one of them.

 

[Rawrschach]

It seems the AI has no way of knowing if there is a slow free in your council. If they added something like this is say "Invite to be Councillor" or so on that might work.

It's realistic though that even though you have all this cool stuff to offer, or might want to push their weak claim on a kingdom to expand your empire, they personally might have no ambition for this, or have too much honour to fight against their dynasty, or simply not want to move away from their usual drinking buddies.

 

[Zohtun]

An option to "Offer title" then brings up a dropdown like granting, but instead of instantly-assigning it, it sends the guy the choice, that may work. It still tosses how much he likes his liege (if he hates your guts forever as your rival and loves his liege, he may still ignore your offer, BUT it'd give a lot of +++, perhaps even enough to overcome "false religion" or "different culture")

 

[General Karthos]

It seems the AI has no way of knowing if there is a slow free in your council. If they added something like this is say "Invite to be Councillor" or so on that might work.

It's realistic though that even though you have all this cool stuff to offer, or might want to push their weak claim on a kingdom to expand your empire, they personally might have no ambition for this, or have too much honour to fight against their dynasty, or simply not want to move away from their usual drinking buddies.

Well, yeah. I'm not saying it'd be an auto-success to invite. But it might overcome a few minuses. It almost certainly wouldn't be enough with someone with a difference of eight minuses, but one with a difference of two or three might be persuaded by a nice juicy title or the possibility of you pressing their claim.

 

[DeathBurst]

This suggestion would be a huge Quality of Life improvement.

 

[General Karthos]

No kidding.... I spend half my time searching for someone who might be bribable to invite to court. Something that would let me search based on that alone would be nice, even if offering wives/titles/council positions couldn't be worked out.

 

[Ruwaard]

I agree, granting a barony or county and in return become your vassal should persuade (naturally becoming a count is more appealing than becoming a baron) courtiers, which shouldn't be interested, when they only trade one court for another, though become councillor is another idea. I suppose landed title > position on council > courtier would generally be the way to go.

 

[Seses]

Paradox, do something about it.

 

[Rags17]

This should be pretty easy to mod as a character decision. You could create your own incentives and make them all part of the chance of acceptance, eg Option A is Offer Landed Titlte, Option B is Offer Council position, Option C is offer Honorary Title and Option D is Offer spouse etc, with various chances of success depending upon the target's stats, traits and current Focus if applicable.

 

[Ruwaard]

Granting a landed title will probably be the most tricky, since you'll want to specify, which title; and a player IMHO shouldn't be able to renege on the deal to prevent abuse (as a means to balance the decision).

 

[Rawrschach]

This should be pretty easy to mod as a character decision. You could create your own incentives and make them all part of the chance of acceptance, eg Option A is Offer Landed Titlte, Option B is Offer Council position, Option C is offer Honorary Title and Option D is Offer spouse etc, with various chances of success depending upon the target's stats, traits and current Focus if applicable.

Can courtiers get the "gain a title" ambition, or is it only close family members of the liege? Paradox would need to fix though, so you don't get the guy with 3 martial and 22 diplo wanting to be marshal.

On a side not, as an English guy, I pronounce Martial and Marshal the same way (Mar-Shul). How many other languages would do that?

 

[Rags17]

Granting a landed title will probably be the most tricky, since you'll want to specify, which title; and a player IMHO shouldn't be able to renege on the deal to prevent abuse (as a means to balance the decision).

Not really.

The game already has this mechanism in the form of the "Son wants Title" event chain. One of the options is to fob him off by saying that he is not ready, he then gains the "promised_title" modifier or whatever. As and when you do give him a title the modifier goes away, of course you can choose whatever title you want.

All you would have to do here is clone the event chain and create a new modifier eg "changed_court_for_title" or whatever, once the timer ran out (say 6 months) if no title was forthcoming then the character would either leave court or start some sort of faction.

Extending this idea - all of the options could use this mechanism - "changed_court_for_title", "changed_court_for_council", "changed_court_for_honorary", "changed_court_for_spouse", each with its own cool off period, terminal check (eg "Is character now married?") and revenge if the promised reward is not given. Changing court to become Keeper of the Swans and not getting it might just yield a "Lower Crown Authority" faction, but not getting a promised County might yield an assassination plot . . .

 

[Rags17]

Can courtiers get the "gain a title" ambition, or is it only close family members of the liege? Paradox would need to fix though, so you don't get the guy with 3 martial and 22 diplo wanting to be marshal.

On a side not, as an English guy, I pronounce Martial and Marshal the same way (Mar-Shul). How many other languages would do that?

I'm an Aussie born in LA so my accent is all screwed up but I say Marshal/Martial too.

 

[Ruwaard]

Not really.

The game already has this mechanism in the form of the "Son wants Title" event chain. One of the options is to fob him off by saying that he is not ready, he then gains the "promised_title" modifier or whatever. As and when you do give him a title the modifier goes away, of course you can choose whatever title you want.

All you would have to do here is clone the event chain and create a new modifier eg "changed_court_for_title" or whatever, once the timer ran out (say 6 months) if no title was forthcoming then the character would either leave court or start some sort of faction.

Extending this idea - all of the options could use this mechanism - "changed_court_for_title", "changed_court_for_council", "changed_court_for_honorary", "changed_court_for_spouse", each with its own cool off period, terminal check (eg "Is character now married?") and revenge if the promised reward is not given. Changing court to become Keeper of the Swans and not getting it might just yield a "Lower Crown Authority" faction, but not getting a promised County might yield an assassination plot . . .

Then we aren't proposing the exact same thing. I'm thinking more along the lines to invite a character to become vassal and gain barony/county x; whereas you seem to lure someone to your court with the prospect of gaining a barony/county.

 

[Rags17]

Then we aren't proposing the exact same thing. I'm thinking more along the lines to invite a character to become vassal and gain barony/county x; whereas you seem to lure someone to your court with the prospect of gaining a barony/county.

Similar concepts, different mechanism. I think that creating a mechanism whereby the player is able to offer title "X" to character "Y" would be hard to implement using the existing mechanics, whereas offering "a title" to character "Y" with a penalty for not following through would be a lot easier to do. It is possible to make something very similar to your idea, say by making the allowable time period from offer to grant very short (say 30 days) while simultaneously making the penalty for not following through simply be that the character returns to his court of origin.

I think that so long as the goal of allowing players to bring characters into their court with the promise of titles and or marriage is met then the actual mechanism is kind of moot.

 

[DeathBurst]

Also, it's a bit late, but all this discussion is related to this other thread from a few months back. The basic principles are the same, the old suggestion was just more generic.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/bribes-and-promises.848246/