I made this thread as a curiosity thing rather than one of results. I am not the one to start questioning who is right and who is wrong, but i would like to know what the older forumites think of the new HOI4 game.
Me, for example, i wouldnt consider myself a veteran or anything like that. I started my oddisey with Paradox when i bought the Anthology that came boxed with HOI2 DD and ARMA expansions, played the hell out of it, and then made the leap to Arsenal of Democracy, a step up from vanilla HOI2 in both CPU usage and skill required (it had supply routes!) and played it until the heat death of the universe. Iron Cross is definitely the most indepth adaptation of the HOI2 engine that i saw, with literally thousands of provinces and options to customize your forces with a simplified and clever usage of the tech tree (do you want a lot of units fast but with low org/morale, or fewer units that are great, but take a lot of build time and IC? Perhaps you would like a balance with that, or only make your armored divs be great while keeping your infantry as mediocre troops?), and finally came DH, which i believe became the almost definitive upgrade of the engine, and most importantly finding a true balance in gameplay that marred the original game for way too long.
From what ive read, and seen on Lets Play on youtube in regards to the game, the main points in favor are the customizable divisions (something that was implemented onto HOI3, but i didnt really like HOI3), Experience points that allow you to research different things (or the other way around, i havent fully grasped this one yet) and lots of hate based on the lack of messages.
Apparently, the game suffers from oversimplification, due to the fact that Paradox, from what i can fathom, would rather oversimplify a game and make it for everyone, than make it deeper and make it for a small yet truly dedicated group of players.
To put this into perspective, i apply my own little logic to sequels of games: would i have bought the game 8 years ago if it would have come out back then, with the corresponding reduction of graphics? As things stand, i probably would have bought it, played it for about an hour and then gotten bored of it as it was too simplistic, something that i dont want in a strategy game. Other companies went the way of simplification over fanbase and they got hell over it (rome 2, call of duty, battlefield games, to name a few), and even though they did manage to sell more games as a result, the net effect is that now the people who bought the game and the original fanboys will not buy anymore of your games. I borrowed and played HOI3 over a weekened and didnt truly like it, even though it was a good game in itself, different but still good, yet other people did buy it and still play it. I remember i bought Empire Total War because i thought that musket warfare was cool, but was horrified by the game and the crappiness it showed, so i havent bought a new CA game since.
What are the opinions of the forum vets/HOI2/HOI3 vets? This means at least a few years active on the forum and not the newcomers or with some decent number of posts under their belts.
Me, for example, i wouldnt consider myself a veteran or anything like that. I started my oddisey with Paradox when i bought the Anthology that came boxed with HOI2 DD and ARMA expansions, played the hell out of it, and then made the leap to Arsenal of Democracy, a step up from vanilla HOI2 in both CPU usage and skill required (it had supply routes!) and played it until the heat death of the universe. Iron Cross is definitely the most indepth adaptation of the HOI2 engine that i saw, with literally thousands of provinces and options to customize your forces with a simplified and clever usage of the tech tree (do you want a lot of units fast but with low org/morale, or fewer units that are great, but take a lot of build time and IC? Perhaps you would like a balance with that, or only make your armored divs be great while keeping your infantry as mediocre troops?), and finally came DH, which i believe became the almost definitive upgrade of the engine, and most importantly finding a true balance in gameplay that marred the original game for way too long.
From what ive read, and seen on Lets Play on youtube in regards to the game, the main points in favor are the customizable divisions (something that was implemented onto HOI3, but i didnt really like HOI3), Experience points that allow you to research different things (or the other way around, i havent fully grasped this one yet) and lots of hate based on the lack of messages.
Apparently, the game suffers from oversimplification, due to the fact that Paradox, from what i can fathom, would rather oversimplify a game and make it for everyone, than make it deeper and make it for a small yet truly dedicated group of players.
To put this into perspective, i apply my own little logic to sequels of games: would i have bought the game 8 years ago if it would have come out back then, with the corresponding reduction of graphics? As things stand, i probably would have bought it, played it for about an hour and then gotten bored of it as it was too simplistic, something that i dont want in a strategy game. Other companies went the way of simplification over fanbase and they got hell over it (rome 2, call of duty, battlefield games, to name a few), and even though they did manage to sell more games as a result, the net effect is that now the people who bought the game and the original fanboys will not buy anymore of your games. I borrowed and played HOI3 over a weekened and didnt truly like it, even though it was a good game in itself, different but still good, yet other people did buy it and still play it. I remember i bought Empire Total War because i thought that musket warfare was cool, but was horrified by the game and the crappiness it showed, so i havent bought a new CA game since.
What are the opinions of the forum vets/HOI2/HOI3 vets? This means at least a few years active on the forum and not the newcomers or with some decent number of posts under their belts.
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