I don't really understand it. It's sometimes 60, it's sometimes 80 but sometimes people with 100 opinion won't leave the faction. Can somebody explain?
Opinion threshold for factions
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Probably that someone was forced into the faction (forced by plotleader through Spymaster-action)
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The threshold is very high for "empowering the Council", at about +80 opinion.
In my current game (Catholic Roman Empire), I gave up trying to stick with absolute ruler authority. I have an empowered council but I keep absolute control over titles granting and revoking, otherwise it's a pain in the ass to manage the empire. I find the other council powers easier to deal with (even war declaration).
In my current game (Catholic Roman Empire), I gave up trying to stick with absolute ruler authority. I have an empowered council but I keep absolute control over titles granting and revoking, otherwise it's a pain in the ass to manage the empire. I find the other council powers easier to deal with (even war declaration).
Keep in mind that the join faction threshold and the leave faction threshold are not the same (for a long while it was <60 will not join a faction, but they won't leave until >80... not sure if it's still the same... I rarely use opinion on its own to manage factions these days), and that faction leaders can use favors and spymasters to force fellow vassals into factions.
Keep in mind that it's also different for the various factions. In particular the "Increase Council Power" faction is higher than the rest, requiring something around 70 for people to leave.
But yes, people can be forced in to factions by either Spymaster plots *or* with a favor, and then it doesn't matter how much they love you. Just use your Spymaster to force them out of the plot.
But yes, people can be forced in to factions by either Spymaster plots *or* with a favor, and then it doesn't matter how much they love you. Just use your Spymaster to force them out of the plot.
If they're at 100 opinion and in a faction, it's either spymaster coercion or favour owed. Best thing to do: marry into your vassals. So long as they've got a non-aggression pact, no favour or coercion can make them join factions.
Heck, I've got non-aggression marriages with all my important vassals, and don't even care about playing tyrant anymore. They're at -100 opinion for that time I revoked a coreligionist's kingdom and three other duchies? Wups, worst-case scenario is no troops from him for a decade.
Heck, I've got non-aggression marriages with all my important vassals, and don't even care about playing tyrant anymore. They're at -100 opinion for that time I revoked a coreligionist's kingdom and three other duchies? Wups, worst-case scenario is no troops from him for a decade.
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Yeah, Conclave/accompanying patch made vassal management stupid easy. Between NAPs and using the council if you really need the extra breathing room, it's really trivial to keep vassals in check.
Eh, I usually create a few superdukes/kings of my dynasty that are far more powerful than all the other vassals. Placate them and it doesn't matter how the rest feel about anything because 75% of the realm is in my pocket. Add in a few years of seduction focus and cranking out bastards and you can get plenty of NAPs.