Operation Cherry Blossoms At Night

[Ravenflight565]

So I recently heard about this plan during World War 2, There a Japanese military unit named Unit 731, their goal was simple, attack the U.S to end the war. The plan was to send 5 submarines over the Pacific Ocean during night with 3 airplanes on each. Each would have plague infected fleas, these planes would kamikaze into San Diego.

Just suggesting an idea where this is an achievement or something, just an idea, have a nice idea anyway ^.^

 

[electriccat]

Neither in the base game. The sub launching a few planes, maybe, but the bio attack aspect of it just won't make it in the base at all. Mods would be able to pull things off.

 

[Sharp163]

So I recently heard about this plan during World War 2, There a Japanese military unit named Unit 731, their goal was simple, attack the U.S to end the war. The plan was to send 5 submarines over the Pacific Ocean during night with 3 airplanes on each. Each would have plague infected fleas, these planes would kamikaze into San Diego.

Just suggesting an idea where this is an achievement or something, just an idea, have a nice idea anyway ^.^

Quite an interesting event (which I had never heard of, so thank you for sharing ), but this is a war crime and has no place in the game.

 

[1337Hospitaller]

Quite an interesting event (which I had never heard of, so thank you for sharing ), but this is a war crime and has no place in the game.

>strategically bombing civilians is ok but making them sick isn't

why

 

[Sharp163]

>strategically bombing civilians is ok but making them sick isn't

why

Because it is in violation of the Geneva Conventions...

 

[zyphial]

Well, biological warfare certainly wont be rewarded let alone included in the game, so not likely.

Also, I think an exploding airplane would be enough to kill some fleas. Furthermore, plague (Bubonic Plague) already exists in San Diego (it's endemic to some rodents in North America, California included).

But considering the USA considered using bats with firebombs strapped to them... crazier ideas have been proposed.

Still, not for HOI.

 

[Sharp163]

crazier ideas have been proposed

Like the time America considered painting Mt. Fuji red to damage Japanese morale?

By the way, this thread will likely be closed soon.

 

[zyphial]

Like the time America considered painting Mt. Fuji red to damage Japanese morale?

ROFL. I had not heard that one. Link by any chance? Sounds like a hilarious read.

By the way, this thread will likely be closed soon.

Yeah, I see far more hazzard than opportunity for meaningful discussion. Still, I learned something fun.

 

[Sharp163]

ROFL. I had not heard that one. Link by any chance? Sounds like a hilarious read.

Yeah, I see far more hazzard than opportunity for meaningful discussion. Still, I learned something fun.

I can't find a credible source for it (as it's likely more of a rumor/tall tale than anything ) but as the story goes, America considered painting Mt. Fuji red through use of their Air Force, to damage Japanese Morale. Of course, once they realized how expensive this would be, they quickly scrapped the plan.

If I have enough oil in HOI4 though, I certainly know how I'll be spending it...

 

[Orlunu]

So I recently heard about this plan during World War 2, There a Japanese military unit named Unit 731, their goal was simple, attack the U.S to end the war. The plan was to send 5 submarines over the Pacific Ocean during night with 3 airplanes on each. Each would have plague infected fleas, these planes would kamikaze into San Diego.

Just suggesting an idea where this is an achievement or something, just an idea, have a nice idea anyway ^.^

You're conflating a fair few things, there was never integration between Unit 731 and the I-400 class. The flea bombs were speculated and tested in China, then immediately shelved as useless. The Japanese also had a doctrine of not using biological and chemical warfare against the Western Allies, even though they were fine using them against some others (similar to some of the German rules on permissible weapons).

>strategically bombing civilians is ok but making them sick isn't

why

Strategic bombing was an allied doctrine, which makes it not-murder when they intentionally brutally slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocents. Really, the surest way to tell whether something repulsive done in the time period or not is considered a war crime is by looking at which side did it.

 

[Viktor_Vertex]

>strategically bombing civilians is ok but making them sick isn't

why

Because strat bombing for the most part destroyed factories and infrastructure and civilians were collateral. I say for the most part and this is what it is used for ingame.
Biological warfare kills civilians in hopes that there will be no one left to work the factory, while bombing just destroys the factory.

 

[nauticalweasel]

Strategic bombing of civilian targets is a no-go as well.

 

[Caesar15]

So I recently heard about this plan during World War 2, There a Japanese military unit named Unit 731, their goal was simple, attack the U.S to end the war. The plan was to send 5 submarines over the Pacific Ocean during night with 3 airplanes on each. Each would have plague infected fleas, these planes would kamikaze into San Diego.

Just suggesting an idea where this is an achievement or something, just an idea, have a nice idea anyway ^.^

Oh I think we all know what Unit 731 is..

 

[Matt the Czar]

The WWI mod for HOI III included chemical weapons as a special weapon, so it's up to the modders. I definately can see why Paradox wouldn't do it. I want to make a mod of the Anglo American Nazi War (http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=140356), so I will probably include them. Thing is, if you use WMDs, so will the faction you attack...

 

[BBBD316]

I think there maybe a chance for a Wunderweapon DLC which will allow some of the more eccentric ideas to be researched but I don't think any that would be biological/chemical would be included.

I understand that Strat bombing, nukes, etc. all have similar results but it is what it is.

 

[TypicalRain]

Because strat bombing for the most part destroyed factories and infrastructure and civilians were collateral. I say for the most part and this is what it is used for ingame.
Biological warfare kills civilians in hopes that there will be no one left to work the factory, while bombing just destroys the factory.

I am sure the atomic bombs purpose was to destroy the rubble of the factories so they had no hope of being rebuilt.

And the Tokyo firebombings were to destroy the roads of neighbourhoods, defiantly not aiming for there houses.

 

[Sharp163]

Because strat bombing for the most part destroyed factories and infrastructure and civilians were collateral

Is that so?

 

[Adonnus]

Pretty sure biological warfare is against the geneva convention.. and the forum rules. Strat bombing won't show civilian casualties and is abstracted to only represent military effects and that's the best that you'll get for obvious reasons, this is not a war simulator, it's a game about some aspect of military and industrial events of the time.

 

[Alex_brunius]

Is that so?

Sure there are some raids that stand out due to their main target being civilians/morale, for example Dresden or the London Blitz. But the other 360 days of the year these bombers were flying with their bombs aimed against industrial targets like factories, dams, ball-bearing plants, powerplants, railstations, bridges or oil/synthetic refineries.

These other raids achieved much more practical war results then the terror bombing ever did, but since they were less controversial and less deadly they are not heard about nearly as much.

In HoI games all strategic bombing is the raids on these legitimate war targets which is over 90% of what was done in reality as well.

For the most part when you read in the history books about "the bombers were bombing city X" their main targets was the factories producing war critical material in the suburbs of city X. Both Allies and Axis learned from the London Blitz that terror bombing didn't really work and only strengthened the civilian resolve and fighting spirit instead of lowering in as intended.


Anyways as others have already pointed terror bombing is also against the forum rules to discuss and never will be in a HoI game, and I'm pretty sure that biological warfare also falls under these same rules.

 

[Zaku]

collateral

No comment.

Anyways military actions that target civilians will never get into HOI, and asking for them is against the forum rules. I suspect this thread will be closed shortly.