Open Beta Patch 1.11.5 (Steam Only) Mk3 - Checksum 8d69
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Agree, if anything the ahistorical thing in the Americas is the lack of US influence with spies in the region.
You have to establish it before they lose the whole coastline.
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I'll try it my next game but they usually lose it all before I can lend lease, even if for example I have military access in every country between them.
Nice! Thanks!
Also, tanks just got cheaper in IC. (Edit- and some buffs are reduced too.)
Also, tanks just got cheaper in IC. (Edit- and some buffs are reduced too.)
Sloped Armor for 1% Increase? so basicly nothing?
And rivetted Armor doenst give any cost reduction any more? So its basicly a bad version of welded? Same cost less armor
So basicly always use Sloped Armor
Never use rivetted
I generally like the cost reductions made but these 2 seem odd
And rivetted Armor doenst give any cost reduction any more? So its basicly a bad version of welded? Same cost less armor
So basicly always use Sloped Armor
Never use rivetted
I generally like the cost reductions made but these 2 seem odd
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“Too cool for school” definitely refers to training. I assume training was bugged for that unit?
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Heavy cannons have much better HA and piecing and late game SA qualities
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Just by the way, whoever fixed up the sea supply, whether team or one person, get them something nice.
It's now flexible, and also fairly responsive to rail changes; i.e. in the US, it initially starts still coming from Baltimore, but just a little level 3 rail upgrade to San Fran has the Pacific supply coming out of there, and you can do other things other places. It's not so inflexible now.
Also, whether side effect or design, you see ports getting supplemental shipments by sea, and not all by rail. Sort of a touch of realism, in a way.
EDIT: and yes, I know that was fixed earlier, not in this particular go-round of 1.11.5, but I thought I'd mention it anyway.
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Wow Turkish investment fix? Who says "whining" on the forums doesn't help? Love to see bug fixes, kudos!
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If I undetstand this correctly, tanks were buffed across the board by making most of their components cheaper?
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isn't that the job for heavy high velocity guns? very immersion breaking that the IS tank armed with a 122mm cannon do less SA than a medium tank t34-85
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Don't forget they nerred motorized a bit, too. Not sure if all the way back to 'just like leg inf' or not. Still working atm so not in-game.
High-velocity cannon are more for hard attack/AT work. High velocity, lower payload. Higher SA is generally going to be lower velocity, bigger shells.isn't that the job for heavy high velocity guns? very immersion breaking that the IS tank armed with a 122mm cannon do less SA than a medium tank t34-85
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Does that mean what I think it means?
Yay, exploit patched.
What did you do?
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EDIT : Dev response below indicates this only temporary while it gets implemented, so disregard the entire post I guess
The changes to Tank Conversion are regressive.
It looked, in the previous beta, like we were getting seperate Conversion Cost and Production Costs, which reflected the amount of time it would take to change different components on the tank, similar to how Ships get upgraded. The tooltip was there, it just hadn't been hooked up yet.
Now Conversion Cost has been deleted altogether. You have to pay the full Production Cost to add even a small upgrade to your tank. The game thinks you're building a whole new tank!
Above is the Panzer II Ausf. a that Germany starts the game with. Pretty basic tank, lets add some smoke launchers.
The smoke launcher is the 3 canisters on each side, seen here on a Panzer II Luchs (image from Wikipedia).
Below, we are converting our Ausf. a tanks to the Ausf. b model with the smoke launchers. Shouldn't take long, to bolt on the new module, right?
Wrong. The game charges us for an entire extra tank. We must rebuild the entire thing, from the ground up. This makes tank conversion worthless. I would say it is broken.
Effect of Conversion Techs
There are 2 x Conversion techs we can research which each give a 40% bonus to production output, when converting tanks. Each of these techs takes months of research, and doesn't really alter the production rate of this tank all that much:
5.63/week - with no conversion tech
7.07/week - Improved Equipment Conversion (1937)
8.82/week - Advanced Equipment Conversion (1939)
Given we are only bolting smoke launchers onto the side of the tank, I would say that the techs are not the solution.
Different Types of Upgrades
Finally, without the Conversion Cost mechanic from the previous beta, there is no difference to the type of upgrade you're doing to your tank. We only added smoke launchers, but for a similar conversion cost we could change to a 3-man turret, we could fit a high-velocity gun, we could fit radios, we could even apply thicker armor and a bigger engine, we could do anything we want, because we are being charged the cost of a full tank anyway.
In WW2, tanks often received small upgrades, as new technology was developed, or to overcome deficiencies they encountered in a given theatre against a certain enemy. Unfortunately, we are presently unable to do a small upgrade, such as adding a newly-researched radio, or bolting on armor skirts, as we get punished for doing so.
The best example of this system is Ship Upgrades in MTG. As in real life, replacing the main armament of a ship is balanced so it's unattractive, but equipment such as ASDIC, AA guns, Depth Charges can be added to the platform to fit the tactical or strategic situation. It's good gameplay, with real tradeoffs.
I would propose that Conversion Cost is brought back for Tanks, to allow us to make these small upgrades, while keeping "exploity" total conversions prohibitively expensive.
The changes to Tank Conversion are regressive.
It looked, in the previous beta, like we were getting seperate Conversion Cost and Production Costs, which reflected the amount of time it would take to change different components on the tank, similar to how Ships get upgraded. The tooltip was there, it just hadn't been hooked up yet.
Now Conversion Cost has been deleted altogether. You have to pay the full Production Cost to add even a small upgrade to your tank. The game thinks you're building a whole new tank!
Above is the Panzer II Ausf. a that Germany starts the game with. Pretty basic tank, lets add some smoke launchers.
The smoke launcher is the 3 canisters on each side, seen here on a Panzer II Luchs (image from Wikipedia).
Below, we are converting our Ausf. a tanks to the Ausf. b model with the smoke launchers. Shouldn't take long, to bolt on the new module, right?
Wrong. The game charges us for an entire extra tank. We must rebuild the entire thing, from the ground up. This makes tank conversion worthless. I would say it is broken.
Effect of Conversion Techs
There are 2 x Conversion techs we can research which each give a 40% bonus to production output, when converting tanks. Each of these techs takes months of research, and doesn't really alter the production rate of this tank all that much:
5.63/week - with no conversion tech
7.07/week - Improved Equipment Conversion (1937)
8.82/week - Advanced Equipment Conversion (1939)
Given we are only bolting smoke launchers onto the side of the tank, I would say that the techs are not the solution.
Different Types of Upgrades
Finally, without the Conversion Cost mechanic from the previous beta, there is no difference to the type of upgrade you're doing to your tank. We only added smoke launchers, but for a similar conversion cost we could change to a 3-man turret, we could fit a high-velocity gun, we could fit radios, we could even apply thicker armor and a bigger engine, we could do anything we want, because we are being charged the cost of a full tank anyway.
In WW2, tanks often received small upgrades, as new technology was developed, or to overcome deficiencies they encountered in a given theatre against a certain enemy. Unfortunately, we are presently unable to do a small upgrade, such as adding a newly-researched radio, or bolting on armor skirts, as we get punished for doing so.
The best example of this system is Ship Upgrades in MTG. As in real life, replacing the main armament of a ship is balanced so it's unattractive, but equipment such as ASDIC, AA guns, Depth Charges can be added to the platform to fit the tactical or strategic situation. It's good gameplay, with real tradeoffs.
I would propose that Conversion Cost is brought back for Tanks, to allow us to make these small upgrades, while keeping "exploity" total conversions prohibitively expensive.
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I get that wheeled tank was kind of questionable, but why would anyone use wheels or halftrack now?
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The refit cost system was broken in previous beta's so this is not a regression. We still want to have refit costs work but the code required for it was not ready for the patch so we have removed the UI element to not confuse players until that time. working Refit costs will return just not in this patch.
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