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1914 OOB Meta-thread

How about putting all the OOB modifications in one thread?

So far the firs thing I noticed is
Code:
division = { name = "Polish Rifle Division" type =  infantry id = { type = 13422 id =  16} quality = regular location = 412 culture = [b]russian[/b] strength = 100}
which should be
Code:
division = { name = "Polish Rifle Division" type =  infantry id = { type = 13422 id =  16} quality = regular location = 412 culture = [b]polish[/b] strength = 100}
Cheers

See also: GC OOB Meta-thread
 
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Looks odd, why Polish division has the Russian culture, if even Officers positions were taken by Poles? Very odd.
 

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Here is a list of OOB's currently present in the game. I will use this first post as a Table of Contents as it is. Im doing this so we can get a good list of the current state of the military in Victoria. From here we can make a proper OOB for each nation in relation to the actual war.

Here is what each reads like.

Part of World
--Army Name in Province
---Division name ## Support unit (Artillery, Engineer, Guard, etc.)
In Game
Army of the UK
Navy of the UK

In Reality
Army of the UK
 
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UK- 1914

The Army

In France
--BEF- in Arras
---1st Division 10K HQ
---2nd Division 10K Art
---3rd Division 10K Art
---4th Division 10K Eng
---5th Division 10K
---6th Division 10K
In England
--51st Highland Division- in Inverness
---51st Highland Division 100 Grd

--52nd Lowland Division- in Edinburgh
---52nd Lowland Division 100

--50th Northumberland Div.- in Northcastle
---50th Northumberland Division 100 Eng

--55th West Lancashire Div. - in Liverpool
---55th West Lancashire Division 100

--42nd East Lancashire Div. -in Manchester
---42nd East Lancashire Div. 100

--49th West Riding Div. - in Leeds
---49th West Riding Div. 100

--53rd Welsh Div. - in Cardiff
--- 53rd Welsh Div. 100 Eng

--46th North Midlands Div. - in Birmingham
---46th North Midlands Div. 100

--48th South Midlands Div. - in Norwich
---48th South Midlands Div. 100

--44th Home Counties Div. - in Bedford
---44th Home Counties Div. 100

--54th East Anglican Div. - in Ipswich
---54th East Anglican Div. 100

--1st London Div. - In London
---1st London Div. 100 Eng

--2nd London Div. - in London
---2nd London Div. 100 Art

--43rd Wessex Div. - in Southhampton
---43rd Wessex Div. 100
In India
--Northern Army - in Peshwar
---Peshwar Div. 10K
---Rawalpindi Div. 10K
---Lahore Div. 10K
---Meerut Div. 10K
---Lucknow Div. 10K
---Siakolt Div. 10K

--Southern Army- in Quetta
---Quetta Div. 10K
---Mhow Div. 10K
---Poona Div. 10K
---Seconderabad Div. 10K
---Burma Div. 10K
---Aden Div. 10K
In the Far East
--Burma Corps- in Moenit
---3. Indian Div. 10K

--Singapore Garrison- in Johor
---Singapore Garrison 1K

--China Corps- in Weihaiwei
---1. Chinese Rifle 1K

--Hong Kong garrison- in Hong Kong
---1. Indian Division 10K
---2. Indian Division 10K
In the Pacific
--New Guinea Garrison- in South New Guinea
---New Guinea Garrison 1K
In West Africa
--Local Militia- In Sekondi
---Local Militia 1K

--1. West African- in Akassa
---1. West African 10K
---2. West African 10K
In Central Africa
--Malawi Garrison- in Mporokoso
---Malawi Garrison 2K
In East Africa
--Somaliland Garrison- in Berbera
---Somaliland Garrison 1K

--British East Africa Rifles- in Mombasa
---British East Africa Rifles 2K

--1. African Rifles- in Kampala
---1. African Rifles 1K
In Egypt
--Egypt Garrison in Tanta
---1. Egyptian Div. 10K
---2. Egyptian Div. 10K
---2. Egyptian Div. 10K
---1. Southhampton Div. 10K
In the Med.
--Gibraltar Regiment- in Gibraltar
---Gibraltar Regiment 5K Art

--Malta Regiment- in Malta
---Malta Regiment 5K
In Reserve- 0
 

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Navy

In the Isles
--1st Transport Squadron- in English Channel
---1st Transport Flotilla
---2nd Transport Flotilla
---3rd Transport Flotilla
---4th Transport Flotilla
---5th Transport Flotilla

--12th Cruiser Squadron- in English Channel
Cruiser
---HMS Charybdis
---HMS Diana
---HMS Eclipse
---HMS Talbot

--Grand Fleet- in Inverness
Dreadnought
---HMS Ajax
---HMS Audacious
---HMS Bellerephon
---HMS Centruion
---HMS Collingwood
---HMS Colossus
---HMS Conquerer
---HMS Dreadnought
---HMS Hercules
---HMS Iron Duke
---HMS King George V
---HMS Marlborough
---HMS Monarch
---HMS Neptune
---HMS Orion
---HMS St. Vincent
---HMS Superb
---HMS Temeraire
---HMS Thunderer
---HMS Vanguard
Battleships
---HMS Africa
---HMS Britannia
---HMS Commonwealth
---HMS Dominion
---HMS Hibernia
---HMS Hinudstan
---HMS King Edward VII
---HMS Zealandia
Heavy Cruisers
---HMS Achilles
---HMS Antrim
---HMS Argyll
---HMS Cochrane (Des)
---HMS Devonshire
---HMS Drake
---HMS Good Hope (Des)
---HMS King Alfred (Des)
---HMS Leviathan
---HMS Natal (Des)
---HMS Roxburgh (Des)
---HMS Shannon
Cruisers
---HMS Active (MnSwp)
---HMS Amphion (MnSwp)
---HMS Bellona (Des)
---HMS Birmingham (Des)
---HMS Blanche (Des)
---HMS Blonde (Des)
---HMS Broadicae (Des)
---HMS Falmouth (Des)
---HMS Liverpool (Des)
---HMS Lowestoft (Des)
---HMS Notingham (Des)
---HMS Sappho (Des)
---HMS Southhampton (Des)

--1st Battlecruiser Squadron- in Inverness
Dreadnought
---HMS Lion
---HMS New Zealand
---HMS Princess Royal
---HMS Queen Mary

--10 Cruiser Squadron- in Inverness
Heavy Cruiser
---HMS Crescent
---HMS Edgar
---HMS Endymion
---HMS Gibraltar
---HMS Grafton
---HMS Hawke
---HMS Royal Arthur
---HMS Theseus

--11th Cruiser Squadron- in Cork
Cruiser
---HMS Doris
---HMS Isis
---HMS Juno
---HMS Minerva
---HMS Venus

--3rd Submarine Flotilla- in Plymouth
---3rd Submarine Flotilla

--7th Battleship Squadron- in Plymouth
Heavy Cruiser
---HMS Caesar
---HMS Illustrious
---HMS Majestic
---HMS Prince George
Cruiser
---HMS Sapphire

--8th Battleship Squadron- in Plymouth
Battleship
---HMS Albion
---HMS Canopus
---HMS Glory
---HMS Goliath
---HMS Jupiter
---HMS Ocean
Cruiser
---HMS Proserpine

--5th Battleship Squadron- in Salisbury
Battleship
---HMS Bulwark
---HMS Formidable
---HMS Implacable
---HMS Irresistable
---HMS London
---HMS Prince of Wales
---HMS Queen
---HMS Topaze
---HMS Venerable

--6th Battleship Squardron- in Salisbury
Battleship
---HMS Agememnon
---HMS Albermarle
---HMS Cornwallis
---HMS Duncan
---HMS Exmouth
---HMS Lord Nelson
---HMS Russell
---HMS Vengenge
Cruiser
---HMS Diamond

--9th Cruiser Squadron- in Salisbury
Heavy Cruiser
---HMS Amphitrite
---HMS Argonaut
---HMS Europa
Cruiser
---HMS Challenger
---HMS Highflyer
---HMS Vindictive

--7th Submarine Flotilla- in Edinburgh
---7th Submarine Flotilla (A)
---7th Submarine Flotilla (B)

--8th Destroyer Fleet- in Edinburgh
Cruiser
---HMS Pathfinder (Des)

--9th Destroyer Flotilla- in Newcastle
Cruiser
---HMS Patrol (Des)
---HMS Sentinel (Des)

--9th Battleship Squadron- in Lincoln
Battleship
---HMS Hannibal
---HMS Magnificent
---HMS Mars
---HMS Victorious

--7th Destroyer Flotilla- in Lincoln
Cruiser
---HMS Foresight (Des)
---HMS Skirmisher (Des)

--6th Submarine Flotilla- in Lincoln
---6th Submarine Flotilla

--8th Submarine Flotilla- in Ipswich
---8th Submarine Flotilla

--2nd Transport Squadron- in Ipswich
---6th Transport Flotilla
---7th Transport Flotilla

--7th Cruiser Squadron- in Cantebury
Heavy Cruisers
---HMS Aboukir
---HMS Bacchante
---HMS Cressy
---HMS Euryalus
---HMS Hogue
---HMS Sutleg

--5th Submarine- in Cantebury
---5th Submarine Flotilla

--Minelayer Squadron- in Cantebury
Cruiser
---HMS Fearless (Mnelyr)
---HMS Forward (Mnelyr)

--6th Destroyer Flotilla- in Cantebury
Cruiser
---HMS Adventure (Des)
---HMS Attentive (Des)

--4th Submarine Flotilla- in Cantebury
---4th Submarie Flotilla
In the Med
--HMS Gloucester- in Gulf of Sidra
Cruiser
---HMS Gloucester

--Mediterranean Fleet- in Tyrrhenian Sea
Dreadnought
---HMS Indefatigable
---HMS Indomitable
---HMS Inflexible
Cruiser
---HMS Chatham
---HMS Dublin (Des)
---HMS Weymouth (Des)

--1st Cruiser Squadron- Strait of Otranto
Heavy Cruiser
---HMS Black Prince
---HMS Defence
---HMS Duke of Edinburgh
---HMS Warrior
North America
--4th Cruiser Squadron- in Halifax
Heavy Cruiser
---HMS Berwick
---HMS Essex
---HMS Lancaster
---HMS Suffolk
---HMS Bristol
Africa
--5th Cruiser Squadron- in Freetown
Heavy Cruiser
---HMS Carnarvon
---HMS Cornwall
---HMS Cumberland
---HMS Monmouth

--Cape Squadron- in Capetown
Cruiser
---HMS Astraea
---HMS Hynacinth
---HMS Pegasus

--South Atlantic Station- in St. Helena
Cruiser
---HMS Glasgow
In India
--East Indies Squadron- in Columbo
Heavy Cruiser
---HMS Swiftfire
Cruiser
---HMS Dartmouth
---HMS Fox

--4th Transport Squadron
---10th Transport Flotilla
Far East
--New Zealand Squadron
Cruiser
---HMS Philomel
---HMS Psyche
---HMS Pyramus

--China Squadron
Heavy Cruiser
---HMS Hampshire
---HMS Minotaur
---HMS Triumph
Cruiser
---HMS Newcastle (Des)
---HMS Yarmouth (Des)
In Construction
Dreadnought
---HMS Agincourt
---HMS Erin
---HMS Tiger
---HMS Benbow
---HMS Emperor of India
---HMS Queen Elizabeth
---HMS Warspite
---HMS Canada
---HMS Barham
---HMS Valian
---HMS Malaya
---HMS Revenge
---HMS Royal Oak
---HMS Royal Soveriegn
---HMS Resolution
---HMS Ramillies
Cruiser
---HMS Arethusa
---HMS Undauted
---HMS Aurora
---HMS Caroline
---HMS Galatae
---HMS Penelope
---HMS Cordelia
---HMS Inconstant
---HMS Phaeton
---HMS Royalist
---HMS Comus
---HMS Calliope
---HMS Cleopatra
---HMS Conquest
---HMS Crayfort
---HMS Champion
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Transport Flotillas=2
 

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Ill get a few other great powers this weekend.
 

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I wll try to rework the British oob this afternoon. That is the land oob. For India at least it's incorrect. For Britain itself it's incomplete.

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British & Indian Order of Battle august 1914

Here is a first attempt at an order of battle for the 1914 scenario. So far this only includes British and Indian units. I hope I will be able to udate (edit) this page soon. My next step will be to study a map of India;-) I will also need feedback on the Territorial Army, whether it should start on map or on the reinforcement track. None of the units I listed so far have any attachments as it's not clear to me what approach to take in that respect (1st Division probably should have HQs for the BEF).

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British & Indian Army Order of Battle for Victoria 1914 scenario.

Amiens – France; Ist & IInd Corps (BEF)
1st Division (RA) 100%
2nd Division (RA) 100%
3rd Division (RA) 100%
5th Division (RA) 100%
1st Cavalry Division 100%
2nd Cavalry Division 66%

Dunkerque – France; IIIrd Corps (BEF)
4th Division (RA) 100%
6th Division (RA) 100%
(6th may also start in Reading England)

Brugge – Belgium; Royal Naval Division
Royal Naval Division 33%
(RN may also start in Canterbury – England)

London – England; London Garrison
Guards Division (RA) 33%
3rd Cavalry Division 33%

Gibraltar; Gibraltar Garrison
Gibraltar Garrison 15%

Valetta - Malta; Malta Garrison
Malta Garrison 15%

Tanta – Egypt ; Suez Canal Garrison
8th Division (RA) 33%

Capetown – South Africa; IVth Corps
7th Division (RA) 33%

Bombay – India; Indian Establishment (North)
27th Division (RA) 33%

Calicut – India; Indian Establishment (South)
28th Division (RA) 33%

Peshawar – India ; 1st Indian Division Area
1st Indian Division (Pes.) 50%
North Western Frontier 50%

Rawalpindi – India; 2nd Indian Division Area
2nd Indian Division (Raw.) 50%
4th Indian Cavalry Diviion 50%

Lahore – India; 3rd Indian Division Area
3rd Indian Division (Lah.) 75%

Quetta – India; 4th Indian Division Area
4th Indian Division (Que.) 50%

Mhow – India; 5th Indian Division Area
5th Indian Division (Mho.) 50%

Pune – India; 6th Indian Division Area
6th Indian Division (Poo.) 50%

Meerut – India; 7th Indian Division Area
7th Indian Division (Mee.) 75%

Lucknow – India; 8th Indian Division Area
8th Indian Division (Luc.) 50%

Secunderabad – India; 9th Indian Division Area
9th Indian Division (Sec.) 50%
5th Indian Cavalry Division 50%

Rangoon – Burma; Burma (Indian) Division Area
Burma Division (Indian) 50%

Aden; Aden Garrison
Aden Garrison (Indian) 33%

Hong Kong – China; Honk Kong Garrison
Hong Kong Garrison 15%

Weihai – China; China Garrison
29th Division (RA) 33%

--- British Territorials ---

Consider making the following divisions reinforcements (allready paid for)

42nd through 56th Divisions
1st through 4th Mounted Divisions

else they might become available too early, but I can try and work out a realistic order of battle for these if consensus is to make them available early on (individual battalions and regiments from these units were deployed to France earlier then the divisions themselves)

--- General Notes ---

The following Regular Army divisions were formed after August 1914, but all their component units already existed, Guards, 7th, 8th, 27th, 28th and 29th Divisions. So I included them at start but at a lower establishment (33% of whatever is decided to be British Divisional strength). I deployed them in areas where part of their force were located in august 1914.

The same rule applies to 2nd and 3rd Cavalry Divisions.

For Indian Army Units I give the divisions deployed to France at a higher establishment (75%) then the others. I also immediately included the 4th and 5th Indian Cavalry Divisions for the same reasons. For some I don’t know the location they should start at (which is why I listed them under their HQ location rather then an actual Victoria province), unless we have someone familiar with India, I will try and find the correct provinces for these yet.

I have not yet included the Egyptian Army, it should be at very low establishment (so no player wishes to use them;-).

The Honk Kong, Singapore, Malta and Gibraltar Garrisons are somewhat fictive (no significant units remained there after the additional RA divisions were formed), but I think they should be included.

Lastly, enough manpower should be available at the start of the scenario to allow for the reinforcing of 5 of the 6 understrength RA divisions and the creation of 6 new divisions (K1 of the New Army). Likewise within the first few months enough additional manpower has to be accumulated to raise another 12 divisions (K2 and K3). All of that will require some tweaking of population numbers I expect. If this cannot be done, then at least the RA divisions would have to start at 75-100% establishment.

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Marc aka Caran...
 

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Excelent. I hope to start on France today.
 

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A little help for navies

This site here has an excellent section on Fleet Deployments for most of the worlds navies during 1914 and through the war http://www.gwpda.org/naval/n0000000.htm it has tons of information taken from many sources :) You'll have to scroll down a bit to see the section on fleet deployments....
 

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Rhine Provinces

--6eme Groupe de divisions reserves- in Verdun
---12eme division d'infanterie 10K (Art)
---40eme division d'infanterie 10K
---42eme division d'infanterie 10K

--3eme Groupe de divisions reserves- in Verdun
---54eme division d'infanterie 10K (Art)
---55eme division d'infanterie 10K
---56eme division d'infanterie 10K (Eng)

--4eme Groupe de divisions reserves- in Chalons
---64eme division d'infanterie 10K
---65eme division d'infanterie 10K (Art)

--20eme Corps d'Armee- in Nancy
---11eme division d'infanterie 10K (HQ)
---39eme division d'infanterie 10K (Art)

--Reserve de la 15eme region- in Nancy
---57eme division d'infanterie 10K (Art)
---71eme division d'infanterie 10K
---72eme division d'infanterie 10K
---73eme division d'infanterie 10K

--Corps de cavalerie- in epinal
---3eme division de cavalerie 10K
---6eme division de cavalerie 10K

--7eme Corps d'Armee- in epinal
---14eme division d'infantarie 10K (Art)
---41eme division d'infantarie 10K
---8eme division de cavalerie 10K

--21eme Corps d'Armee- in epinal
---14eme division d'infantarie 10K (Art)
---23eme division d'infantarie 10K (Eng)

--8eme Corps d'Armee- in Beascon
---15eme division d'infantarie 10K
---16eme division d'infantarie 10K (Art)

--Reserve de le 14eme region- in Beascon
---58eme division d'infantarie 10K
---63eme division d'infantarie 10K (Hq)
---66eme division d'infantarie 10K (Art)
---Division Alpine 10K (Grd)

--Formation de reserve- in Dijon
---74eme division d'infantarie 10K (Art)
---75eme division d'infantarie 10K
Italian Front
--14eme Corps d'Armee- in Lyon
---27eme division d'infantarie 10K (Art)
---28eme division d'infantarie 10K
---5eme division de cavalerie 10K

--Corps d'Armee coloniale- in Toulon
---1eme division d'infantarie coloniale 10K (HQ)
---2eme division d'infantarie coloniale 10K (Art)
---3eme division d'infantarie coloniale 10K

--15eme Corps d'Armee- in Marsielle
---29eme division d'infantarie 10K
---30eme division d'infantarie 10K (Art)

--16eme Corps d'Armee- in Montpellier
---31eme division d'infantarie 10K (Hq)
---32eme division d'infantarie 10K (Art)
---2eme division de cavalerie 10K

--13eme Corps d'Armee- in Clermont-Ferrand
---25eme division d'Infantarie 10K
---26eme division d'Infantarie 10K (Art)
South-West France

--12eme Corps d'Armee- in Limogese
---23eme division d'Infantarie 10K
---24eme division d'Infantarie 10K (Art)
---9eme division de cavalerie 10K

--17eme Corps d'Armee- in Touluse
---33eme division d'infantarie 10K (Art)
---34eme division d'Infantarie 10K

--18eme Corps d'Armee- in Bordeaux
---35eme division d'Infantarie 10K (Art)
---36eme division d'Infantarie 10K
North-West France

--2eme Corps d'Armee- in Angers
---59eme division d'infantarie 10K
---68eme division d'infantarie 10K (Art)
---70eme division d'Infantarie 10K

--11eme Corps d'Armee- in Nantes
---21eme division d'Infantarie 10K (Art)
---22eme division d'Infantarie 10K

--10eme Corps d'Armee- in Rennes
---19eme division d'Infantarie 10K
---20eme division d'Infantarie 10K (Art)
Central and North-East Frace

--1er Corps d'Armee- in Lille
---1er division d'infantarie 10K (Hq)
---2eme division d'infantarie 10K (Art)
---4eme division de cavalerie 10K

--2eme Corps d'Armee- in Amiens
---3eme division d'infantarie 10K (Hq)
---4eme division d'Infantarie 10K (Art)

--3eme Corps d'Armee- in Rouen
---5eme division d'infantarie 10K (Hq)
---6eme division d'infantarie 10K (Art)

--Reserve du General en chef- in Paris
---1ere division de cavalerie 10K (Cur)

--Reserve du Ministre- in Paris
---61eme division d'infantarie 10K (Eng)
---62eme division d'infantarie 10K (Art)
---67eme division d'infantarie 10K

--4eme Corps d'Armee- in Le Mans
---7eme division d'infantarie 10K (Art)
---8eme division d'infantarie 10K (Hq)
---7eme division de cavalerie 10K

--9eme Corps d'Armee- in Tours
---17eme division d'infantarie 10K (Eng)
---18eme division d'infantarie 10K (Art)
---20eme division de cavalerie 10K

--1er Groupe de divisions de Reserve- in Blois
---51eme division d'infantarie 10K (Art)
---53eme division d'infantarie 10K
---69eme division d'infantarie 10K

--5eme Groupe de divisions de Reserve- in Blois
---52eme division d'infantarie 10K (Eng)
---60eme division d'infantarie 10K (Art)

--5eme Corps d'Armee- in Orleans
---9eme division d'infantarie 10K
---10eme division d'infantarie 10K (Art)
In North Africa

--19eme Corps d'Armee- in Al Jazair
---Division d'Alger 10K (Hq)
---Division d'Oran 10K (Art)
---Division de Constantine 10K (Eng)

--Legion Etrangere- in Oran
---Regiment de Marche 10K (Grd)
In Western Africa

--Troupes coloniales- in Togo
---2eme Tirailleurs senegalais 1K

--Troupes coloniales- in Fort Lamy
---1er Tirailleurs senegalais 3K

--Troupes coloniales- in Saburo
---3eme Tirailleurs senegalais 10K
In Madigascar

--Troupes de Marin- in Menabe
---Tirailleurs malgaches 10K
In South East Asia

--Troupes de Marin- in Keaho
---Tirailleurs tankinois 10K
 
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If I might pipe in here....

One thing that I would like to see fixed in the ORBATS of all the powers is corrections to the number of "dreadnaughts" in them.

Not all of them were dreads, and no I am not talking about the predreads that are already handled; no I am talking about the modern all big gun numbers.

Off the top of my head I can tell you that the Bayern class of ships being built by Germany in the game are NOT dreadnaughts. They should be more rightly classed as "early battleships" as anything. There are also several English classes of ship that would fall into that as well. The Bayerns were large, fast even though they were coal fired (a design choice given the lack of a secure source of oil for Germany, they could build oil fired just as easily as England), 15 inch armed monsters. Lets put it this way: Bismarck was essentially a slightly updated and enlarged Bayern in many key areas.

And if Germany does well enough to actually complete the Mackensen class of BC's or Yorck BB's that followed her they most definitely would be far more modern then the generic dreadnaught that the game saddles you with.

They each could in theory achieve at least 26 knots with the Mack' capable of nearer to 28. And given that German power plants usually put out around 15% more power then they were rated each of them would likely have been chugging along at between 28-30 knots.

My overall point being: The break point between the games dreadnaught and early battleship classes took place just before the war and during it and both sides fielded second generation ships. This becomes of really critical importance in converting over to HOI, which clearly makes the Bayern one level better then the generic dread.
 

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Note that we have not developed the 1914 scenario for VIP, so if you are in fact playing the original 1914 scenario on a VIP-modded game, you will likely have all sorts of inner-game inconsistencies. VIP only has worked on it's own scenario that starts in 1836, as that is the scenario most often played, and we have no plans to start work on any other scenario until we feel that the full scenario is completed.

Re the early battleships, we've not done much with late game development, as the meat of our event-tech focus has been in the second half 19th C, but pushing date of early battleships becoming available to 1913 based on the info you've provided would make the most sense.
 

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Wow, I remember doing these. Has it really been 4 years :eek: