OOB and information of China for moders

Kesselring · May 23, 2013

Hunan（湖南）with He Jian（何健）
1936：
4 Route Army 100000men
-28C
--15D 43B(85R、86R、87R)、44B(88R、89R、90R)
--16D 46B(92R、95R)、47B(93R、96R)
--19D 55B(109R、110R)、57B(113R、114R)
-62D 185B(367R、368R、369R)、186B(370R、371R、372R)
-63D 187B(373R、374R)、189B(377R、378R)
-N34D 1B（1R、2R）2B（3R、4R）
-Replacement Group（1R、2R、3R、4R、5R）

Provincial Security Group 32000men
1 Zone Security Command（1R、2R、3R、4R、5R）
2 Zone Security Command（6R、7R、8R、9R、10R）
3 Zone Security Command（N34D）
4 Zone Security Command（11R、12R、13R）
5 Zone Security Command（14R、15R、16R、17R、18R、19R、20R）
6 Zone Security Command（21R、22R、23R、24R）

Kesselring · May 24, 2013

Guizhou（贵州）with Wang Jialie（王家烈）
1935:------------------------------------------1935.5：
25C
-1D 1B（1R,2R,3R）2B（4R,5R,6R）3B（7R,8R,9R）---103D（613R,614R,615R）
-2D 1B（1R,2R,3R）2B（4R,5R,6R）3B（7R,8R,9R）---102D 304B（605R,607R）306B（609R,612R）9000men
-3D 1B（1R,2R）2B（3R,4R）------------------------N8D（22R,23R,24R）
-4D 1B（1R,2R,3R）2B（4R,5R,6R）-----------------121D（659R,660R,661R）
-Teach D 1B（1R,2R）2B（3R,4R）3B（5R,6R）-------N25D1B（1R,2R）2B（3R,4R）6000men

Provincial Security Group（1935.7-） 10673men
Security 1R
Security 2R

Kesselring · May 26, 2013

Sichuan（四川）with Liu Xiang（刘湘）
7 Route Army about200000men
-21C
--146D
--147D
--162D
--I12B
--I15B
23C
--144D
--148D
--I17B
-44C
--149D
--150D
--163D
-145D
-161D
-164D
-I11B
-I13B
-I16B

41C about53000men
-122D
-123D
-124D

14 Route Army
-45C about42000men
--125D
--126D
--127D
--128D
--131D
-47C 15000~22000men
--104D
--Replacement R
-I14B

Provincial Security Group 43000men
24 Security R（352coy total）
（most of Provincial Security Group Replace Regular army in war）

Limith · Jun 4, 2013

Thanks, I've started redoing the OOB of China in 1936. Can you please make sure that you note the army strength of each group? Ex. Yunnan 10th Route Army lacks an army strength number, as does Sichaun (above) 7th Route and 14th Route Army.

Limith · Jul 22, 2013

Can you post the central force OOB you mentioned earlier? I only see the 4 regional groupings.

Kesselring · Jul 22, 2013

Yunnan 10th Route Army all became 60C：

60C 40000men
-182D（old I1,2B） 539B（1077R,1078R）540B（1079R,1080R）
-183D（old I3,5B） 541B（1081R,1082R）542B（1083R,1084R）
-184D（old I7,9B） 543B（1085R,1086R）544B（1087R,1088R）

Kesselring · Jul 22, 2013

KMT Central Force can divide into :
Own Troops（嫡系部队）
Collateral Troops（旁系部队）
Hodge Troops（杂牌部队）

China Elite:
1.German Armed Division(before wwii)
Central Military Academy Teach Corps(中央陆军军官学校教导总队 Division Level,later became 46D)
36D
87D
88D

2.Four Attack Corps(Soviet Union Armed 1941)
1C
2C
5C
74C

Other War Area Attack Corps
13C
18C
26C

3.Units get Fly Tiger Honor Flag(Highest Honor Units)
6D(8C)(maybe)

N32D(35C)
3D(10C)
190D(10C)
Preparation 10D(10C)
74C
57D(74C)
74C Art R

36D(54C)
87D(71C)
88D(71C)
Honor 1D(8C)
54C
198D(54C)
103D(8C)
N1C
N6C
N22D(N6C)
N38D(N1C)
9D(2C)
51D(74C)

18D(19C)
118D(18C)
201D(Youth Force)
Tank 3R

4.United States Armed Corps
2C(9D,76D,Preparation 2D)
5C(45D,96D,200D)
8C(Honor 1D,103D,166D)
13C(4D,54D,89D)
18C(11D,18D,118D)
53C(Honor 2D,116D,130D)
54C(8D,36D,198D)
71C(87D,88D,91D)
73C(15D,77D,193D)
74C(51D,57D,58D)
94C(5D,43D,121D)
100C(19D,63D)
N1C(50D,N30D,N38D)
N6C(14D,207D,N22D)

Semi-United States Armed Corps
20C(133D,134D)
26C(41D,44D,169D)
28C(52D,80D,192D)
46C(175D,188D,N19D)
52C(2D,25D,195D)
60C(182,184,T21D)
62C(95D,151D,157D)
64C(131D,156D,159D)
92C(21D,56D,142D)
93C(T18D,T20D,T22D)

5.Five Main Forces
5C
18C
74C
N1C
N6C

6.Regulate Divisions（1936）
1st group
2D，11D，14D，25D，36D，57D，67D，87D，94D，Central Military Academy Teach Corps

2nd group
3D，4D，9D，10D，27D，79D，80D，83D，88D，89D

3rd group（Unfinished）
1D，5D，13D，16D，51D，56D，58D，78D，85D，98D

Limith · Jul 23, 2013

Thanks to nexus, I present a preview of the new CHI/Chinese Warlords OOB.

Download since Mediafire acts weird on occasion.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/091b34yky79ai05/revisedoob.png

Note that Japan/CHC do not have a new OOB yet. Also, CHI's navy/airforce OOB has not been completed yet. 1933 CHI OOB is not completed, but the warlords are done.

Japan will gain MANY new divisions in an OOB revision.

CHI will only have 63 divisions free to use. The rest are LOCKED (represents various warlords that do not have their own tag) until Japan DoW's.

Kretoxian · Jul 23, 2013

Limith said:
CHI will only have 63 divisions free to use. The rest are LOCKED (represents various warlords that do not have their own tag) until Japan DoW's.

Those 63 i guess that are those under direct KMT command, aren't they?

Limith · Jul 23, 2013

Kretoxian said:
Those 63 i guess that are those under direct KMT command, aren't they?

They are either part of the Central Army under Jiang's direct control (58) or they are part of the Shaanxi Task Force (5) which is fighting the Communists.

Navy and airforce is done. I added an airfield in Hunan.

1933 CHI OOB needs to be revised, as does CHC OOB.

Kesselring · Jul 23, 2013

The DH map in Asia is too poor，I like E3
The 17 type A Japan division almost like a Military Region，each have depot force，so Japan new OOB will be get more number of divisions

Limith · Jul 23, 2013

Revised CHC OOB and starting position 1936.

Overall, CHC is now weaker in terms of army strength, but they get more provinces...

JRHINDO · Jul 24, 2013

The problem with such communist pockets, because of the HoI logistics, is they will get out of supply and get crushed easily.
If only pockets on core lands could get an low amount of org regain.

Limith · Jul 24, 2013

It's only a year until Marco Polo, and once that occurs, United Front ensures the pockets survive, so I put some starting supply in those pockets to ensure the units survive.

Kesselring · Jul 25, 2013

Limith said:
Revised CHC OOB and starting position 1936.

Overall, CHC is now weaker in terms of army strength, but they get more provinces...

I don't know Henan-Hubei-Jiangxi Sovite，there are Hunan-Hubei-Jiangxi Sovite（湘鄂赣革命根据地），but after 1934.8 it was Occupied by KMT

Kesselring · Jul 25, 2013

CHC
1936.1.1
1 Front(10000+)
--1 Army Group
----1D
----2D
----4D
--15 Army Group
----75D
----78D
----81D
----Cav R

2 Front(17000+,Found in 1936.7.5)
--2 Army Group
----4D
----5D
----6D
--6 Army Group
----16D
----17D
----18D

4 Front(40000+)
--4C
----10D
----11D
----12D
----Ind D
--5C
----13D
----15D
--9C
----25D
----26D
----27D
----Teach D
--30C
----88D
----89D
--31C
----91D
----93D
--32C
----94D
----96D
--Cav D
--Ind 1D
--Ind 2D
--Woman Ind R

10 Army Group(1000+,Anhui)
--19D
--20D

28C(1000+,Hubei-Henan-Anhui)
--82D
--Pistol R

28C(1200+,Shannxi)
--250R
--251R
--252R

29C(1200+,Shannxi)
--255R
--256R
--257R

Limith · Jul 25, 2013

Where did you get the army strength numbers? I got different ones from wiki (http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/中国工农红军战斗序列)

Also I don't see a 10th army in the diagram there...I thought the Anhui area was cleared? English wiki seem to suggest that. English wiki also says Hunan-Hebei-Jiangxi is still alive unless someone made an error...

Code:

#   1st Army Front (Ya'an)
#	 1st Army Group (8800)
#	  1st/2nd/3rd Division
#	 15th Army Group (7000)
#     75th/78th/81st Division
#    28th/29th Army (3200)
#   2nd Army Front (Garze County) # 1296
#	 2nd Red Army Group (2000)
#	  4th/5th/6th Division
#	 6th Red Army Group (2000)
#	  16th/17th/18th Division
#   4th Army Front (Garze County) # 1296
#    4th Army (6000)
#	  10th/11/12th Division
#	 9th Army (3000) (Well Armed)
#     25th/26th/27th Division
#	 30th Army (800)
#     88th/89th Division
#    31st Army (???)
#     91st/93rd Division
#    5th Army (2500)
#     13th/15th Division
#    32nd Army (1000)
#     94th/96th Division
#   16th Army (Nanyang) #1325
#    6th Army Group (9000)
#     ???

Kesselring · Jul 26, 2013

Limith said:
Where did you get the army strength numbers? I got different ones from wiki (http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/中国工农红军战斗序列)

Also I don't see a 10th army in the diagram there...I thought the Anhui area was cleared? English wiki seem to suggest that. English wiki also says Hunan-Hebei-Jiangxi is still alive unless someone made an error...

Code:

# 1st Army Front (Ya'an) # 1st Army Group (8800) # 1st/2nd/3rd Division # 15th Army Group (7000) # 75th/78th/81st Division # 28th/29th Army (3200) # 2nd Army Front (Garze County) # 1296 # 2nd Red Army Group (2000) # 4th/5th/6th Division # 6th Red Army Group (2000) # 16th/17th/18th Division # 4th Army Front (Garze County) # 1296 # 4th Army (6000) # 10th/11/12th Division # 9th Army (3000) (Well Armed) # 25th/26th/27th Division # 30th Army (800) # 88th/89th Division # 31st Army (???) # 91st/93rd Division # 5th Army (2500) # 13th/15th Division # 32nd Army (1000) # 94th/96th Division # 16th Army (Nanyang) #1325 # 6th Army Group (9000) # ???

Hunan-Hebei-Jiangxi only left guerrilla
same as 10 Army Group
had been destroyed，only left 1000 guerrilla

unmerged(197298) · Dec 12, 2013

nexus0328 said:
Sichuan（四川）with Liu Xiang（刘湘）
7 Route Army about200000men
-21C
--146D
--147D
--162D
--I12B
--I15B
23C
--144D
--148D
--I17B
-44C
--149D
--150D
--163D
-145D
-161D
-164D
-I11B
-I13B
-I16B

41C about53000men
-122D
-123D
-124D

14 Route Army
-45C about42000men
--125D
--126D
--127D
--128D
--131D
-47C 15000~22000men
--104D
--Replacement R
-I14B

Provincial Security Group 43000men
24 Security R（352coy total）
（most of Provincial Security Group Replace Regular army in war）

Hello

I love this thread... but isnt this the Sichuan OOB for 1937 ?

same for Hebei and Central Army ?

Do you also have the Northeast Army (Dongbei jun) or the location where the Central Army was stationed ?

Kesselring · Mar 12, 2014

Haertilius said:
Hello

I love this thread... but isnt this the Sichuan OOB for 1937 ?

same for Hebei and Central Army ?

Do you also have the Northeast Army (Dongbei jun) or the location where the Central Army was stationed ?

yes，it's for 1937.12

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