Only two start dates?

[Sharp163]

"There are mods for that" is an argument that can be used to turn down pretty much any suggested new feature. It is already up to modders to create new scenarios and start dates, it's pretty much just a matter of editing text files.

I wouldn't mind having a June 22nd 1941 start date, but honestly, I don't know how much I'd use it, either.

Alternate history scenarios, however? Like a start date where the Germans have won the battle of Kursk and are on the offensive in the east? Sounds to me like a much better use for new start date DLC .

There was no way the Germans could have won the battle of Kursk. Kursk was the collapse of axis superiority on their southern flank as a result of having nearly a million men (about a sixth of their army) be destroyed at Stalingrad. There is no winning at kursk. The only option would have been to not lose at Stalingrad.

Edit: not to mention, they were about doubly outnumbered

Double edit: upon checking, they were triple* outnumbered yeah. No winning at Kursk.

 

[safe-keeper]

Fantasy and althistory scenarios? Did you see the reaction to Sunset Invasion?

I think you perfectly well understand I wasn't talking about nonsense scenarios like Aztecs invading Europe.

 

[Cutty1911]

Probably the best argument for 1944 and onward start dates is to do an Operation Unthinkable scenario. Could be pretty fun I think, and given the soft ending in 1948, would leave a good amount of techs left to unlock and time to use them. Perhaps Germany is reverted back to a democracy, minus the Iron Curtain? Or maybe the Allies stall long enough for the Soviets to occupy Germany completely?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

I think you perfectly well understand I wasn't talking about nonsense scenarios like Aztecs invading Europe.

My point is that any sort of ahistorical scenario/feature inevitably gets a tidal wave of backlash.

 

[Mr.Bajskorv]

Well, as a Vic Vic2 and Hoi 2 player i have only played the long full time gamemodes. Never cared at all about the other. I think that's 99% of what players play.

 

[safe-keeper]

My point is that any sort of ahistorical scenario/feature inevitably gets a tidal wave of backlash.

So that's why everyone loved Kaiserreich.

 

[Basileios Makedon]

I liked the 1938 startdate...

 

[KalZakath]

I don't think I've ever played the later dates, not sure why, just didn't hold the same interest for me. I have played some of the mods that had earlier start dates though - there was an excellent one that started with the Spanish civil War, but wasn't able to find it again after my computer ate itself a couple years ago.

 

[The_Meme_Man]

Fantasy and althistory scenarios? Did you see the reaction to Sunset Invasion?

I actually don't know the reaction, but I personally like it. However if they are going to do something ridiculous, it needs to be all or nothing.

Yes, that's right, we need a start date for when the War of the Worlds starts, humans vs martians, make it happen.

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

I actually don't know the reaction, but I personally like it.

There was a lot of bile-spewing. People were not happy.

 

[Sharp163]

There was a lot of bile-spewing. People were not happy.

Don't listen to the haters I think some good alt history DLCs, like communist 1936 Germany, would be very popular

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

Don't listen to the haters I think some good alt history DLCs, like communist 1936 Germany, would be very popular

I have no strong opinions other than scrapping bile off the forums all day is not fun.

 

[Sharp163]

Don't listen to the haters I think some good alt history DLCs, like communist 1936 Germany, would be very popular

How's this for a mod/DLC: every country has their opposite ideology on the authoritarian/democratic spectrum and left/right wing spectrum that would be interesting indeed...

 

[Sharp163]

I have no strong opinions other than scrapping bile off the forums all day is not fun.

Why not take the fanbase's alt history suggestions instead then? Hold a contest for the best simple alt history scenario (nothing too extreme) and the winner gets it made into a DLC

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

Why not take the fanbase's alt history suggestions instead then? Hold a contest for the best simple alt history scenario (nothing too extreme) and the winner gets it made into a DLC

I'm a moderator, not an actual part of Paradox.

 

[Sharp163]

I'm a moderator, not an actual part of Paradox.

Sorry, I can never tell

 

[Kolaris]

I can see the logic behind only having the two, but down the road I'd really like to try a 20 July '44 Putsch start.

 

[GeneralPetrov]

Everyone is complaining that it would be difficult/impossible to balance and add all these scenarios, and yet Darkest Hour did them all nearly perfectly, with a large amount of events that gave even the 1933 start a good amount of flavor.

I think you're missing the point though. It's not impossible to do by any means... But it is a waste of valuable resources and time. Resources and time that could be spent creating and improving features that are actually used.

 

[AOW]

Two start dates!?!? what's all this about TWO start dates??

There is only ONE start date - 6-6-16


Apologies for OT, but couldn't resist.

 

[KeiserWiliem]

I always played 1444 or modded an earlier start date in EU4.
In CK2 I mostly played the DLC start dates.
And I won't play 1939, but a mid war start date would be really interesting. Trying to change the outcome of the war.
A Stalingrad and Kursk would be nice. Maybe in some later patch when there is a DLC that focuses on some late game stuff.

There will be most likely mods for ahistoric starts, like an communistic Germany very soon.