One tag World Conquest March,1674

[BarrosRodrigues]

While this is an impressive time for 1.13, a fast revoke Austria should blow this out of the water. Granted, they patched that out fairly quickly, but if we're talking about fastest times then I have a hard time imagining this'd stand up to those.

As the Ottomans I can conquer the whole world before 1650 if I commit to it so the revoke time would have to be really quick (20 years or less) for Austria to stand a chance to beat this time especially because the AI is renowned for its stupidity (200 stack sieging a single province rings a bell?) which means sub-optimal warfare and the Emperor won’t have the huge economic power that the Ottomans can quickly achieve, etc. etc. In short I doubt very much that even a fast revoke can beat the Ottomans with the current rules.

 

[Outrider]

While this is an impressive time for 1.13, a fast revoke Austria should blow this out of the water. Granted, they patched that out fairly quickly, but if we're talking about fastest times then I have a hard time imagining this'd stand up to those.

I'd bet a super fast revoke in v1.11 and then abusing the HRE free integration to integrate the world (giving non-Euro land to HRE vassals) could beat this, but to-date nobody has done it and posted about it.

Perhaps France with an instant Austria PU + HRE +BI (https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/guys-go-home-i-won-the-game.880450/) could be faster in v1.13 (also abusing worldwide integration), but who knows...IA is just so terribly slow now.

 

[Path]

As the Ottomans I can conquer the whole world before 1650 if I commit to it so the revoke time would have to be really quick (20 years or less) for Austria to stand a chance to beat this time especially because the AI is renowned for its stupidity (200 stack sieging a single province rings a bell?) which means sub-optimal warfare and the Emperor won’t have the huge economic power that the Ottomans can quickly achieve, etc. etc. In short I doubt very much that even a fast revoke can beat the Ottomans with the current rules.

Current rules? The fast revoke hasn't worked since Paradox hotfixed it back in, uh, 1.8? I'm terrible with the patch history.

I'd bet a super fast revoke in v1.11 and then abusing the HRE free integration to integrate the world (giving non-Euro land to HRE vassals) could beat this, but to-date nobody has done it and posted about it.

Perhaps France with an instant Austria PU + HRE +BI (https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/guys-go-home-i-won-the-game.880450/) could be faster in v1.13 (also abusing worldwide integration), but who knows...IA is just so terribly slow now.

Considering how popular the majors are even with veteran players, I find it unlikely that no one would've done a fast revoke one-tag back when the empire was broken. Then again, if no one has posted it perhaps I should roll back and give it a whirl

IA being what it is now you'd need the stars to align perfectly to challenge the Ottomans in 1.13, though.

 

[BarrosRodrigues]

Current rules?

Maybe it is my English but I thought I said the following: if for some reason you could revoke in 20 years and considering the 1.13 rules you would have a hard time to beat the ottomans (average coring time of <11 months, easy cb availability, economy, etc.) in a one tag wc.

 

[BarrosRodrigues]

Considering how popular the majors are even with veteran players, I find it unlikely that no one would've done a fast revoke one-tag back when the empire was broken.

Arumba finished his one tag by IIRC 1783.

Then again, if no one has posted it perhaps I should roll back and give it a whirl

Gl, you are going to need it even to beat 1674 let alone <1650.

 

[alpaca]

Maybe it is my English but I thought I said the following: if for some reason you could revoke in 20 years and considering the 1.13 rules you would have a hard time to beat the ottomans (average coring time of <11 months, easy cb availability, economy, etc.) in a one tag wc.

Can you explain the 11 months? Base time is 40, right? And Ottos get a -58% reduction, -68 if you have a claim and -78 if you go Hindu or X'ian+HRE. -68% should be 12 months I believe? So do you average between Shiva + claim?

 

[doktorstick]

Yeah, I'm not trying to hate on you, or anything. People have different tolerance for what they consider borderline acceptable exploits and over the top...

In other words, if you use anything beyond the developer's intent--to misuse a famous quote--we've established what you are, now we are just negotiating on price.

Personally, I like seeing the game bent beyond recognition. And kudos on your LP, Marco. It's quite interesting and very soothing to listen to.

 

[Alerias]

I'm sure Ottomans are pretty mch the way to go, yeah.

This being said, couldnt Orthodox Ottomans have a slight edge over Sunni Ottomans? -3 unrest, and +2 conversion can be pretty nice and the money hit only matters early on. Also more stackable permanent religious decisions and potential to even try and get elected HRE if you really care to (for the bonuses).

 

[Outrider]

Can you explain the 11 months? Base time is 40, right? And Ottos get a -58% reduction, -68 if you have a claim and -78 if you go Hindu or X'ian+HRE. -68% should be 12 months I believe? So do you average between Shiva + claim?

Base coring time is 36 months; -68% as Otto with adaptability and claim will land you at 11 months.

 

[GChapman]

Why didnt you rush to free westernize? Just focus on getting Wien or Danzig. Maybe use a vassal to core all provinces en route, so you dont have to core those provinces. Then just leave Europe and go for India. You will have some IA in Europe, but it will decay quickly. It wont result in coalition. Westernizing gives you cheaper tech, so you have more ADM / DIP for conquest.

 

[BarrosRodrigues]

Personally, I like seeing the game bent beyond recognition. And kudos on your LP, Marco. It's quite interesting and very soothing to listen to.

Ty, I am glad you like it!

This being said, couldnt Orthodox Ottomans have a slight edge over Sunni Ottomans? -3 unrest, and +2 conversion can be pretty nice and the money hit only matters early on. Also more stackable permanent religious decisions and potential to even try and get elected HRE if you really care to (for the bonuses).

Tbh I don´t think it is worth it because we probably need 200 years to reach -3 unrest as an orthodox country while a Sunni country has access to "Unify Islam" decision that will end up giving you +2 tolerance (-2 unrest in Sunni provinces) along with missionary strength and stab cost decrease; this decision can be unlocked in 100 years or less.

Why didnt you rush to free westernize? Just focus on getting Wien or Danzig. Maybe use a vassal to core all provinces en route, so you dont have to core those provinces. Then just leave Europe and go for India. You will have some IA in Europe, but it will decay quickly. It wont result in coalition. Westernizing gives you cheaper tech, so you have more ADM / DIP for conquest.

I considered it but dismissed it as an unnecessary risk and time & points waste (...) It is tied up with my overall strategy, you´ll realize why later.

 

[Eidos_pl]

been following along as ive been interessted in running a wc myslef. got 1 question i see in ep 12 your almost around 1490s and still havent hit the colonizers whats the plan for dealing with them ? are you gonna let the colonize and core it mega cheap later with the 1adm for 1 dev? is the whole poitn of waiting on europe so you become soo huge u cant posibly care how big a coalition u face ?

 

[BarrosRodrigues]

been following along as ive been interessted in running a wc myslef. got 1 question i see in ep 12 your almost around 1490s and still havent hit the colonizers whats the plan for dealing with them ? are you gonna let the colonize and core it mega cheap later with the 1adm for 1 dev? is the whole poitn of waiting on europe so you become soo huge u cant posibly care how big a coalition u face ?

It is more like: I become so huge that no coalition will form and I can eat whoever I please and as fast as I please which is really, really fast. Since we can now demand 0 OE colonies without having to occupy them , IMHO colonies and colonists lost >90% of their importance for a 1 tag WC (...)

 

[alpaca]

You also inherit the CNs when you annex a colonizer, so their colonies in the Americas are completely irrelevant, and those in Africa and Asia only if they conquered them.

 

[BarrosRodrigues]

You also inherit the CNs when you annex a colonizer, so their colonies in the Americas are completely irrelevant, and those in Africa and Asia only if they conquered them.

In theory yes but in practice that it is probably a big risk; my point is that as the colonizer gets weaker and their CNs stronger they will most likely break free (especially because there is always someone willing to support their independence). Demanding a CN province is dirty cheap (~1% warscore) so I usually demand them all.

 

[Necurok]

@BarrosRodrigues
in episode 3 of your videos you always stackwipe the mameluks army. how do you do that?

and why did you wait that your 2 armys arrives both at the same time? i always want the 2nd part to come in some days later for the moral boost

 

[TheMeInTeam]

You also inherit the CNs when you annex a colonizer, so their colonies in the Americas are completely irrelevant, and those in Africa and Asia only if they conquered them.

Yeah, the only problem I can envision is having junk tags hiding in TI because you beat on the colonizers so badly they never explored it themselves .

 

[alpaca]

In theory yes but in practice that it is probably a big risk; my point is that as the colonizer gets weaker and their CNs stronger they will most likely break free (especially because there is always someone willing to support their independence). Demanding a CN province is dirty cheap (~1% warscore) so I usually demand them all.

But then you have to core them (or at least five of their provinces) and fight rebels. But you're right, if they have many CNs there's a risk they will break free. I guess softening them up a little so they stay loyal, then annexing the overlord would be the most efficient option. If you get at least one province against each CN, it's not as if you can't declare war on the new country, as well, so their going independent is not that big a deal (you still don't get overextension iirc)

 

[TheMeInTeam]

But then you have to core them (or at least five of their provinces) and fight rebels. But you're right, if they have many CNs there's a risk they will break free. I guess softening them up a little so they stay loyal, then annexing the overlord would be the most efficient option. If you get at least one province against each CN, it's not as if you can't declare war on the new country, as well, so their going independent is not that big a deal (you still don't get overextension iirc)

If he's getting unify Islam in 100-150 years, he can just sit on the colonies and convert them before coring 5. Raised autonomy and the Ottoman built-in heathen tolerance might even stave off enough unrest to avoid a rebellion unless the colonies are large, which (considering he's battering Iberians for unify Islam that fast) probably isn't the case.

 

[trojan1234]

I guess softening them up a little so they stay loyal, then annexing the overlord would be the most efficient option. If you get at least one province against each CN, it's not as if you can't declare war on the new country, as well, so their going independent is not that big a deal (you still don't get overextension iirc)

I agreed to your point if we consider maximizing the number of merchants and minimizing warscore til full annex colonizer. However, I found that colonizer AI have high tariff rates on CNs on top of wrong religion so it's gonna have higher LD than your own CNs. It doesn't matter much because prestige is easy to farm but it's another micro management on top of alot of them already we have.