one of my city mayors had a genius son...

[T. Hermil]

so, this good mayor had a genius son. As soon as I notice, I assign him a good guardian, but the button for choosing a focus is nowhere to be found...strange...

When he turns 12, I turn to this bright little rascal again to choose a focus, and again, the button is absent...so, in an attempt to rescue his drifting intellect, I take him as his mentor, still, I can't choose a focus..

When he comes of age, the young prodigy ends up as a misguided warrior. The game chastisizes me for leaving the child on his own without guidance and I have to push the "I've failed him" button...hey, I tried my best, conclave failed you, my dear...sad story

btw, Im using the last HIP on a fully patched conclave, but since mods didnt touched much the new education system, I suspect this is a vanilla bug...I am right? It is possible to save our burghers progeny from becoming total morons?

 

[Snake_Squeezins]

This is a bummer, I hope you also report this in the bug forum because it doesn't sound like it's WAD.

 

[DarthDanMan]

Are you allowed to chose child focuses for courtiers not of your court? I thought you can only chose the heritage focus if you get their liege's permission.

 

[smellymummy]

I noticed this as well. Kids of baron city and temples never get a focus. Though you could probably request a heritage focus but thats about it

 

[Talq]

I noticed this as well. Kids of baron city and temples never get a focus.

Yes, it should be mentioned. This may be one of those 'left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing' situations. (They don't get foci to save time, but there shouldn't be negative consequences for that).

 

[T. Hermil]

I've only noticed this with the progeny of city mayors, I started a new game with HIP+conclave playing a merchant republic so I dont have any vassal barons..Im in the habit of marrying spare courtiers to mayors just in case they produce a random genius or useful guy..
The other patrician families assign focuses to their children automatically (as the Doge you can propose the guardian but not choose the focus), so I was expecting mayors to do the same...
Also the AI seems to be rather bad at choosing the patrician children's education focus at 12, like if they choose at random instead of based on the kid's skills.It sucks, as with the changes introduced in conclave, these botched patricians will likely end up annoying you with demands of a seat in the council

 

[gdj]

It´s a bug, education on barony level characters (or characters living in a barony) does not work in Conclave (even if they are your dynasty members btw). The brilliant reason for this is that the education engine is based on the WoL focus-System, and barons could not choose foci before Conclave. Fixing this would probably require a significant Change of the Focus-System as such.

 

[T. Hermil]

if thats so, well, its serious, I mean, burghers at least get periodically generated at random, but with barons, it means you'll have to resign yourself at having level 1 morons running things at barony level, unless you want to micromanage revoking titles, getting into civil wars because of it, etc...
I thought the whole idea of the conclave educational system was to reduce obsessive micromanagement of heirs and courtiers...fail

 

[gdj]

if thats so, well, its serious, I mean, burghers at least get periodically generated at random, but with barons, it means you'll have to resign yourself at having level 1 morons running things at barony level, unless you want to micromanage revoking titles, getting into civil wars because of it, etc...
I thought the whole idea of the conclave educational system was to reduce obsessive micromanagement of heirs and courtiers...fail

Exactly. I actually found this bug on day 1 of the release of Conclave because my style of gameplay is (among other things) to land all my sons if possible. In the early game, starting as a count, and thus expanding only slowly, it often meant that "lesser" sons sometimes only got a barony, when i had no counties i could safely give away. Imagine my suprise when i found out that the barons sons were literally uneducateable.

 

[gdj]

I noticed this as well. Kids of baron city and temples never get a focus. Though you could probably request a heritage focus but thats about it

No, you can´t. That´s why conquered barons of a different culture reatain their culture indefinitely. Or at least i cant figure out how it works, it does not work in the "normal" way.

 

[smellymummy]

No, you can´t. That´s why conquered barons of a different culture reatain their culture indefinitely. Or at least i cant figure out how it works, it does not work in the "normal" way.

I'm 99% sure you can, you just have to request it from the diplomacy menu of the kid 'request heritage focus'. Though I'll admit that maybe I was only doing it with count tiered

Either way though, like the OP states there's often some real waste out there since kids don't get education focus, in particular genius and/or strong sons and daughters.

Also as to feudal barons not setting education I don't think that's correct. I'm thinking that it's only the courts of baron tiered titles that doesn't follow the traditional inheritance laws that don't set education, like christian temples and burghers. And this is probably all done in the name of performance.

 

[T. Hermil]

I'm 99% sure you can, you just have to request it from the diplomacy menu of the kid 'request heritage focus'. Though I'll admit that maybe I was only doing it with count tiered

Either way though, like the OP states there's often some real waste out there since kids don't get education focus, in particular genius and/or strong sons and daughters.

Also as to feudal barons not setting education I don't think that's correct. I'm thinking that it's only the courts of baron tiered titles that doesn't follow the traditional inheritance laws that don't set education, like christian temples and burghers. And this is probably all done in the name of performance.

well, they screwed the game in the name of "performance", the smaller your kingdom, the more screwed by reduction of your "recruiting" pool, not to mention crappy levies, level 1 uneducated morons still claiming a place in your council etc...If the AI uses rank more than skills for choosing councillors and commanders (as it seems, Ive saw lowborn geniuses often ignored in courts), the challenge provided by the AI will drop substantially...After conclave I noticed some battles were getting perhaps too easy, and checking my enemy's court not surprisingly: almost every commander in their army was a level 1 dumbass
Depending on your gameplay style, particularly if you play with small kingdoms, its a show-stopping bug

 

[Rationalsanity]

Yeah, at the very least barons need the ability to educate their heirs, this is likely making things very difficult for smaller realms.

 

[Atlantians]

And another major screw-up that inspires reverting to a previous save.

 

[gdj]

I'm 99% sure you can, you just have to request it from the diplomacy menu of the kid 'request heritage focus'. Though I'll admit that maybe I was only doing it with count tiered

Either way though, like the OP states there's often some real waste out there since kids don't get education focus, in particular genius and/or strong sons and daughters.

Also as to feudal barons not setting education I don't think that's correct. I'm thinking that it's only the courts of baron tiered titles that doesn't follow the traditional inheritance laws that don't set education, like christian temples and burghers. And this is probably all done in the name of performance.

No, and no. I´ve tested both.

"Ask permission for..." is not an available Option, i know that it works for Counts, dukes etc, but not for barons.