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It's daft to have an eventthat can be got rid of just by just converting a few provinces. You certainly weren't daft to get rid of it.

Since you don't know where the Far East is nor where the Indies are and have just found a cluster of islands out in the middle of nowhere, you can't very well have a discussion about conquering spice provinces.

An insatiable desire for chilli, is the most original reason I've read to actually Quest for the New World. Milan doessn't want the whole world or new world, just has an insatiable appetite for spice. The Spice Wars would make a good final chapter title for the end game.

Why would Milanese citizens know or say anything about the Secret Order? It's a secret.
 

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2: Slider Move...

Defensive seems like the way to go. I love those free forts, 2 defensive is where I usually like to be. It's annoying to do it in the middle though, I usually wait for that event that pushes you one way or the other. Free slider moves, mmmmm!

3: Land Tech, get the advantage at 22.

This is a really good idea, especially if we're planning some big wars in Europe. I like to stick it to a blob when I've got a tech advantage, it's even sweeter when you've just got Gallup :D

4: Use Guyenne and or anyone else for fun with France, Castille.
5: Taking Aragon and Castille Med coastal provinces.

Castille's too big for my liking, we have to have those Med provinces, and they've chosen the wrong kind of heresy. Three excellent reasons to hit them hard, I think whey're the blob I'm referring to above.

6: Traforare le Maniche Da Lombardia...

I still like my suggestion of Purplecoats :p I could live with Rosa le Maniche though, would the longer one even fit in the unit description box?

1: Tunisia, Tripoli, Dulkadir, Ottomans, Islands.
-Any opportunity to take/make or break any of these OPM/TPMs.

This goes without saying :D

2: Upon core or NI change, Naval presence required near Mecca.
3: Taking Mecca and the Eastern side of the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden.
-I'm hoping I don't have to wait 50 years here. I can only do so much to encourage a dispute event. Cross your appendages...

Come on random number generator, papa needs a much expanded colonial range!

4: Settling of Caribbean Islands already known due to spread of discoveries.

I'm all in favour of this as already stated. Don't put any undue strain on the economy though, I suspect we're going to be more opportunistic than predatory in the colonial areana, at least until we get to the east indies.

5: Acquisition of Cosmopolitan cultures.
6: Change national religion to REFormed after European campaigns.

Not sure about getting Cosmopolitan, it might be a little late. However a war with France to snag those Reformed province on the border. What other targets were yopu thinking of?
Reformed seems like the consensus, plus this would naturally lead to an alliance with GB until the end game.

7: Push for GOV 21 for next NI...

It seems a bit early for me for switching. If as you say QftNW is not going to get us to the islands then that can wait. Military Drill? It's always nice, and does Castille have it?

I'll give the far future stuff a bit more of a think.
 

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Hah, who just have the name in the game for the soldiers 'Pinksleeves'.

For Austria there is 'Austrian White Coat'...
British Red Coat for GB...
French Blue Coat...
Russian Green Coat...
And the Prussians have their Frederickian infantry.

Just call them Pinksleeves or Pink Coats, no need to translate them so that everyone understand what the text be saying. :p

No, I'm not laughing hysterically, I'm just giggling and planning my next move. :p

Just because Milan did not succeed irl and does not have any own units in the game does not mean it could not have succeeded and thus gotten its own units.
So now it shall get its own units.

Since someone already mentioned roses, why not start naming Milanese Legions after roses?
Name the grand army Legion of the Pink Rose followed by other less grandiose armies with different rose-colours. :p
Don't be boring and name your armies where they be staying or with numbers.
Everyone has imagination for that. :rolleyes:

Or you could of course name your armies after the Knights of Milan. :cool:
 

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or the generals, if that could be coded :)

Quite easily.
Just create a general in the game, save the game, open the save file, find the name and edit it.
But the thing is, generals die.
But when Generalissimo Enewaldicus dies, he shall be replaced by Enewaldicus II. :p
Let us see who dies the most in the game? :rofl:
 

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Defensive seems like the way to go. I love those free forts, 2 defensive is where I usually like to be. It's annoying to do it in the middle though, I usually wait for that event that pushes you one way or the other. Free slider moves, mmmmm!

Hehe, this reminds me of a recent game where I had an unreal amount of these events (dunno why, maybe I had a run of good MIL kings as the event requires 7). I just kept bouncing between 1 and 2 defensive :D

Or you could of course name your armies after the Knights of Milan. :cool:

or the generals, if that could be coded :)

Great idea, then you'd always know who to blame if Milan loses an important battle :rofl:
 

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Great idea, then you'd always know who to blame if Milan loses an important battle :rofl:

If it's against the Mamluks, me. I shouldn't have given them my teeth...
But don't worry. Milan being defeated is like a blue moon. They say it happens, but no one has actually seen it. Much like Paris Hilton having a stroke of genius.
As for the army uniforms... They're pink and purple. You're sending the manliest Milanese men into battle dressed in pink and purple. Are you TRYING to make our armies look girly? I mean, come on. What's next, the Village People at the next MSO (Milanese Service Organization) rally? (By the way, apparently 2 of them are gay, 2 are straight, and the 5th refused to answer questions.) Yes, I know, historically purple was the color of royalty because it was so expensive that only the king could afford it (with tax money, of course), but this is just some guy sitting at his desk clicking keys on his keyboard to make pretty colors. He might also be wondering if there is a way to fornicate with the game, he's been playing it so long. But enough about me.
By the way, if you believed that, I have a bridge to sell you. It's four lanes and goes from San Diego to Honolulu.
 

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If it's against the Mamluks, me. I shouldn't have given them my teeth...

:rofl:

But don't worry. Milan being defeated is like a blue moon. They say it happens, but no one has actually seen it.

That's why I said if, not when ;)

Much like Paris Hilton having a stroke of genius.

Ahh. Now we have a Paris sighting to go along with the Lindsay "discussion" a while back. And STILL no main stream media coverage of this thread?!?
 

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It seems I have missed much in my latest darkroom experiment...

I played the next segment yesterday in between a diverse collection of regurgitation, Migraine Pain (why can't they be You-graines, or Anybody-But-Me-graines, or How-About-That-Jerk-Over-There-He-Actually-Deserves-One-Of-These-graines...?), and alot of soreness from having not seen the ice on the ground in the dark at the shop and falling out of my truck like a sack of shite... (I have discovered pain in places I didn't know existed...)

I may be able to start updates today if the line holds on the workload from yesterday, if not it'll be tomorrow.

I will say playing with The Empire's Purple was cool, uniforms aside... :cool:

And Pink Sleeves or not, we kicked butt. That Blue Moon is still waiting for it's chance to rise...

T
 

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I also get "Traforare le Maniche Da" for "Pink Sleeves From". However, I also get "Traforare le Maniche da" for "Pink Sleeves from".
As far as I know, Italian is exactly opposite to German in this sense: there are less capitalizations than in English.
I am thinking Sir Enewald has the right idea in just using English... It doesn't fit in Italian... :(

Sounds fine to me. Far enough from "we'll just conquer everything, spice provinces included" but still manageable.
I think we need a little refinement, but that'll come with the religious discussion, as I believe we'll be tying the two together. And there's that special spiced communion wine to signify the healing that went with the blood. We have to get those spices from somewhere and make sure they are always available...

Nice to see someone gets it concerning the whole "freedom" and "truth" setup... For some reason I have a very big smile on my face. What is it about being a little devious that makes one so happy...?

It's daft to have an event that can be got rid of just by just converting a few provinces. You certainly weren't daft to get rid of it.
Ahh... I understand now. And agree. It should stick around a bit longer, but the system is what it is and we take advantage of it as we can. I apologize for inferring a lack of understanding on your part, I clearly misinterpreted you thought.

Since you don't know where the Far East is nor where the Indies are and have just found a cluster of islands out in the middle of nowhere, you can't very well have a discussion about conquering spice provinces.
This is the price you pay for knowing the map. One thing I always liked about CIV was it's randomness in placing things. You didn't always know where you were going.

As for role play, an old man came one day with a pouch of strange things, tales from the eastern border wars, soldiers finding weird things in the Ottoman campaigns... Also I have taken care of that this next set of updates. We know where the spice is and what it is now.

An insatiable desire for chilli, is the most original reason I've read to actually Quest for the New World. Milan doessn't want the whole world or new world, just has an insatiable appetite for spice. The Spice Wars would make a good final chapter title for the end game.
:D
I never claimed to want much, but you have to admit a good chili makes a very good meal. I happen to make a good chili, so much so my mother in law asked me to make her some for Christmas this year...

I like the idea too, actually. Conquest has been done to death... It'll be nice to have something different to do this time around.

Why would Milanese citizens know or say anything about the Secret Order? It's a secret.
Shhh. Be careful what you say, there's ears everywhere around these parts... And they are the "not so" secret order and hold "not so" secret meetings. It's just no one knows who they are... :cool:

Defensive seems like the way to go. I love those free forts, 2 defensive is where I usually like to be. It's annoying to do it in the middle though, I usually wait for that event that pushes you one way or the other. Free slider moves, mmmmm!
I find the event likes to fire when you're one tick one way or the other alot. As it is, we got -1 defensive and it fired, giving us -2 defensive and a STAB hit, so it kind of worked out...

This is a really good idea, especially if we're planning some big wars in Europe. I like to stick it to a blob when I've got a tech advantage, it's even sweeter when you've just got Gallup :D
This didn't quite work out as planned...

Castille's too big for my liking, we have to have those Med provinces, and they've chosen the wrong kind of heresy. Three excellent reasons to hit them hard, I think whey're the blob I'm referring to above.
See above. I got hemmed by Castille and had to use them as opposed to bruise them.

I still like my suggestion of Purplecoats :p I could live with Rosa le Maniche though, would the longer one even fit in the unit description box?
We should just call ourselves fabulous and be done with it... :D

This goes without saying :D
True. But then we said it anyways... Or at least I did.

Come on random number generator, papa needs a much expanded colonial range!
I popped quite a few, actually. It's a shame I didn't want Fez or...

I'm all in favour of this as already stated. Don't put any undue strain on the economy though, I suspect we're going to be more opportunistic than predatory in the colonial areana, at least until we get to the east indies.
The Caribbean Islands are OK, but the mainland will be "eschewed", at least until I can get at it from the pacific...

Not sure about getting Cosmopolitan, it might be a little late. However a war with France to snag those Reformed province on the border. What other targets were yopu thinking of?
Reformed seems like the consensus, plus this would naturally lead to an alliance with GB until the end game.
Reformed provinces are good, as I won't have to turn them when it's over. Scary thing is alot of nations are actually going REFormed right now. Kind of odd, really. PRO is the still the major player though...

My goal for Cosmo is two fold... First and foremost it's the heart of France. Cut out the heart and she won't be an issue. A nuisance maybe, but not an issue. Second is the money. I can float alot of bad ground on her coffers, accepted culture or not.

It seems a bit early for me for switching. If as you say QftNW is not going to get us to the islands then that can wait. Military Drill? It's always nice, and does Castille have it?
I had to employ some, er... Some creativity due to an uncooperative game. And Drill is nice, and I don't think she has it.

I'll give the far future stuff a bit more of a think.
Me too...

Excellent. We'll see what breaks (hopefully not a leg) when you play.

Nope, almost did that falling out of the truck. As for game play, I actually got quite a bit accomplished. For once I was able to get into it right off the bat and it was the last couple of years that I had to drag out.

Hah, who just have the name in the game for the soldiers 'Pinksleeves'.

For Austria there is 'Austrian White Coat'...
British Red Coat for GB...
French Blue Coat...
Russian Green Coat...
And the Prussians have their Frederickian infantry.

Just call them Pinksleeves or Pink Coats, no need to translate them so that everyone understand what the text be saying. :p
Well, they'd be Purple Coats, or they'd be Pink Sleeves. And they'd only be the special units stationed in and around the Capitol, like the Stadtholder Guards... But I like the idea of just using the English...

No, I'm not laughing hysterically, I'm just giggling and planning my next move. :p
My next move is to the little boys room... :D

Just because Milan did not succeed irl and does not have any own units in the game does not mean it could not have succeeded and thus gotten its own units.
So now it shall get its own units.
It seems every nation over time develops special troops and units, both for function and to honor fallen men and traditions. It's a shame there isn't a little more room to put a title and description in so you can use it with a little more functionality.

Since someone already mentioned roses, why not start naming Milanese Legions after roses?
Name the grand army Legion of the Pink Rose followed by other less grandiose armies with different rose-colours. :p
Don't be boring and name your armies where they be staying or with numbers.
Everyone has imagination for that. :rolleyes:
I ever tell you I dislike roses...? I must be one of the three people on the planet who's not into roses. The wife is though... Which reminds me it's time to get her some.

I hate to be boring, but with my head, naming units for what they are and where they are is a necessity. I ended the stint with a full page of armies on the tote board, and trying to keep track of where everything is is impossible for me without some kind of convention.

Or you could of course name your armies after the Knights of Milan. :cool:
But then they'd get dead... I can't bear the thought of seeing you die. Well, OK... Maybe once. :D

or the generals, if that could be coded :)
It can, as with the rulers. But I don't recall if it uses first and last names indiscriminately or not. Of course I could try to have all the first names be "Sir"...

Quite easily.
Just create a general in the game, save the game, open the save file, find the name and edit it.
But the thing is, generals die.
But when Generalissimo Enewaldicus dies, he shall be replaced by Enewaldicus II. :p
Let us see who dies the most in the game? :rofl:
As I've said before, I don't edit saves, Sir. Too easy for me to do something silly to them. Although I have been looking at one of those editors in the mod section...

As it is, general names are simply taken from a pool in the country file. I don't see why I couldn't add a few in... When I made Italy into The Empire I did add a few of the character names from posts past to the leader files, so we may see a Stadtholder Batelli for example... ;)

Generalissimo Enewaldicus... Are you hunting wabbits...?
I don't know what just made me think of that...

Hehe, this reminds me of a recent game where I had an unreal amount of these events (dunno why, maybe I had a run of good MIL kings as the event requires 7). I just kept bouncing between 1 and 2 defensive :D
That does get annoying in a hurry. For a random generator, I find this one can get bogged in a cycle and start "skipping" like a record player... I had it happen when throwing spies at France. 94% success chance failed four out five times... I almost hope I see low odds, as at least then I know I have a shot. It happens with events too. Like getting the meteor event 3 times in a year.

Great idea, then you'd always know who to blame if Milan loses an important battle :rofl:
Yeah... Me. :D

If it's against the Mamluks, me. I shouldn't have given them my teeth...
:rofl: You would have to give them credit for knowing what to do with them though...

But don't worry. Milan being defeated is like a blue moon. They say it happens, but no one has actually seen it. Much like Paris Hilton having a stroke of genius.
Blue indeed, as the only real losses we suffered were against the BBB, temporary as they were.

As for the army uniforms... They're pink and purple. You're sending the manliest Milanese men into battle dressed in pink and purple. Are you TRYING to make our armies look girly? I mean, come on. What's next, the Village People at the next MSO (Milanese Service Organization) rally? (By the way, apparently 2 of them are gay, 2 are straight, and the 5th refused to answer questions.)
What I find interesting is just how much you know about all this. I for one would be quite nervous about asking you what you dream about at night.

Yes, I know, historically purple was the color of royalty because it was so expensive that only the king could afford it (with tax money, of course), but this is just some guy sitting at his desk clicking keys on his keyboard to make pretty colors. He might also be wondering if there is a way to fornicate with the game, he's been playing it so long. But enough about me.
By the way, if you believed that, I have a bridge to sell you. It's four lanes and goes from San Diego to Honolulu.
There will be no fornicating with the game. That would make it EUeeey instead of EUIII. And make a mess of your monitor. And quite possibly render you disabled or dead. We wouldn't want any of that.

I did try to remove the pink, but alas, it is what it is, and our soldiers wear them proudly. Though they seem to return from battle with alot of dirty sleeves. The coats are clean enough, but the sleeves are all muddy or covered with soot...

I took that bridge once. The bottom of the Pacific is lovely this time of year...:p

That's why I said if, not when ;)
Still waiting on if...

Ahh. Now we have a Paris sighting to go along with the Lindsay "discussion" a while back. And STILL no main stream media coverage of this thread?!?
I know...! You'd think the tabloids would be all over this...! Anyone who would use Paris Hilton and genius in the same sentence should be interviewed immediately...!

I can see the headline now:

PARIS HILTON DEVELOPS FISSION
Wants to know if the perch can be made into handbags...


T
 

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I played the next segment yesterday in between a diverse collection of regurgitation, Migraine Pain (why can't they be You-graines, or Anybody-But-Me-graines, or How-About-That-Jerk-Over-There-He-Actually-Deserves-One-Of-These-graines...?), and alot of soreness from having not seen the ice on the ground in the dark at the shop and falling out of my truck like a sack of shite... (I have discovered pain in places I didn't know existed...)
I may be able to start updates today if the line holds on the workload from yesterday, if not it'll be tomorrow.
I will say playing with The Empire's Purple was cool, uniforms aside... :cool:
And Pink Sleeves or not, we kicked butt. That Blue Moon is still waiting for it's chance to rise...

Ouch, hopefully your unknown places causing pain return to being just unknown soon...I nearly did a similar thing yesterday except I was getting into the car and skidded my way in to the seat.
Long live the purple!
 

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Ouch, hopefully your unknown places causing pain return to being just unknown soon...I nearly did a similar thing yesterday except I was getting into the car and skidded my way in to the seat.
Long live the purple!

As long as the landing was a 10.0 it's all good.

I found out snow tastes kind of cold, but not much else.
The wall of the building is hard where my foot went into it.
Snow and ice are cold on unprotected areas of skin, and clothes don't always stay where they should when hitting the ground like I did...

In the end, I proved that gravity can be hazardous to your health.

I have written a letter to my congressman asking if he can sponsor a program to put that warning on signs spaced 100 feet apart in every direction...

He hasn't gotten back to me yet...:rolleyes:

I have an update to write...

T
 

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I have written a letter to my congressman asking if he can sponsor a program to put that warning on signs spaced 100 feet apart in every direction...


this wasnt mixed up with the update, was it? i dont think your congressman would want to hear about a certain secret order of certain knights... althought it could be funny ;)
 

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Oh yeah, hopefully you at least signed it something like "Chairman of the Order of Knights" :D Or "Chairman of the Order of the Milanese Empire", that would look even crazier.

Get well soon!
 

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Oh yes, mod the names of the knightly knights into the file where there be names for the Milanese officers. :p
That being the minimum I demand. :D

Oh yes, I am always right.
Although I be left-handed.
 

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As I've said before, I don't edit saves, Sir. Too easy for me to do something silly to them. Although I have been looking at one of those editors in the mod section...

As it is, general names are simply taken from a pool in the country file. I don't see why I couldn't add a few in... When I made Italy into The Empire I did add a few of the character names from posts past to the leader files, so we may see a Stadtholder Batelli for example... ;)

Generalissimo Enewaldicus... Are you hunting wabbits...?
I don't know what just made me think of that...

Now that is a good idea! Let's see how often our names come up in a random fashion. That's just as exciting! :D

I know...! You'd think the tabloids would be all over this...! Anyone who would use Paris Hilton and genius in the same sentence should be interviewed immediately...!

I can see the headline now:

PARIS HILTON DEVELOPS FISSION
Wants to know if the perch can be made into handbags...

Not to mention:

PARIS HILTON EATS MEAT
Tells Jessica exactly what Chicken of the Sea is...


Although I be left-handed.

Upon this new revelation, I move to make you the starting South-Paw for our Secret Knights Mediterranean Baseball League. Too many righties to not take advantage of this opportunity.



Was a decision ever come to concerning the colonization of the New World?

BTW, it should be Pink Sleeves. No need to make it Purple Coats just to follow in the foot steps of those failed empires. ;)

I guess any further discussion will have to wait until after this newest update is posted.
 

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this wasnt mixed up with the update, was it? i dont think your congressman would want to hear about a certain secret order of certain knights... althought it could be funny ;)

He'd just think we were some whacked out Knights of Columbus group that had too much to drink and not enough to do one evening. We'd be OK.
IRL however, I'd probly be stuck listening to some Fed named Ricki tellin' me I had some "splainin" to do... :D

Oh yeah, hopefully you at least signed it something like "Chairman of the Order of Knights" :D Or "Chairman of the Order of the Milanese Empire", that would look even crazier.

Get well soon!

I would have signed it "Sir To Be Named Later, Leader of the (not so) Secret Order of the Knights of the new and improved Milanese Empire..."

And thank you. I hope I shall. I've had quite enough of all of this since Christmas. Enough for two or three years I should think.

Oh yes, mod the names of the knightly knights into the file where there be names for the Milanese officers. :p
That being the minimum I demand. :D

Oh yes, I am always right.
Although I be left-handed.

Let me see what I can do... Milanese officers...
You sure you want to be a Pink Sleeve there Lefty...?

I'm always right too.
And I'm right handed.
Does this mean we're right from our own respective starting positions...?

"Two men say their Jesus... One of them must be wrong..."

Now that is a good idea! Let's see how often our names come up in a random fashion. That's just as exciting! :D
This game...? Random...? Sir-ly you jest. Any game that gives you 4 out of 5 fails at 94%+ success rate clearly has issues with "random"...

Not to mention:

PARIS HILTON EATS MEAT
Tells Jessica exactly what Chicken of the Sea is...
That is just so... So... Wrong...
Besides... I would think that was the one thing she was familiar with already.
That and... um... Shoot...
Where's that guy who knows all about the Village People when you need him...? :p

Upon this new revelation, I move to make you the starting South-Paw for our Secret Knights Mediterranean Baseball League. Too many righties to not take advantage of this opportunity.
I call Left Field.

No really I do.

Answers to the name "Paris"...

Was a decision ever come to concerning the colonization of the New World?
Islands only.
Mainland only from the pacific side.
At least that's where my current head is at.

BTW, it should be Pink Sleeves. No need to make it Purple Coats just to follow in the foot steps of those failed empires. ;)
Pink Sleeves it is. Just no Pink Gloves.
I'll not see my soldiers running around the battlefield like they're looking for a pile of dishes to wash...

I guess any further discussion will have to wait until after this newest update is posted.
Speaking of which...

Update in 3...2...1...
 

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Chapter 39: The Birth of The Empire...​

The last official act of The Grand Purple(ish) Milanese Republic was to make a policy change. In an effort to shore up the nations defenses against potential problems, the move was made to take a more defensive posture.

Concentrating the Military's efforts on defending the realm would be of service whether the enemy came from within or without...

Not that they expected much trouble from within. In fact, so far the hardest and most complicated part of this whole affair had been getting his stationary changed. It was bad enough they had to do it when they instituted the articles of the Administrative Republic, but now they would have to do it again.

Marcello Birago stared out the window after the meetings. It had been a long, long day. One in a series of long days as officials and senators and church leaders and God knows who else weighed in the proposed changes.

In the end it didn't matter.

There were those than ran things and made decisions and there were those that didn't. Though he was elected by the people and ratified by the senate, he wasn't the one in charge.

He was merely the salesmen...

And so it came to that last official act as the last official leader of the Milan he had grown up and grown old in. It wasn't a hard choice. If anything it had been an easy sell. What could make more sense than protecting oneself against the unknown...?

As he signed the official document, he knew full well that the only ones who would disapprove would be those that thought themselves too good for their own good, let alone anyone else's...

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Idiots indeed. Their was no glory in dying foolishly. Though there was a certain appropriateness to getting yourself killed in such a useless way when you weren't really needed to begin with...

Birago continued through the annual reports, noting the headway he and his diplomacy core had made in repairing Milan's status in the world around her. Though she was still wearing a tarnished crown, She wasn't on anyone's most hated nations list anywhere...

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At least not yet.

Marcello felt a half hearted laugh leave his chest. More like a harrumph than a laugh, really. If only they knew what was coming. He knew. He was glad he'd be retired from the salesman's game by then.

Or dead.

For whatever reason, men who held his job weren't long for this world when the time came to end the tour.

He checked over the official budget reports to make sure all was in order and everything would transfer easily. Everything was pretty quiet recently. After some major breakthroughs, it seemed only the Naval people had anything of merit to be working on. At least somebody was doing something with all the ducats that had been allocated to scientific endeavor.

With all that done, it was with a simple pen stroke that the Empire was born.

After months of debate, weeks of planning and day after day of wrangling out the final details, his simple signature began a new time in the history of his birthplace.

"From this day forward..." the proclamation began. From there it meandered through a short list of rights and treaties until finally dwindling into the tiniest details of things no one would ever know, let alone use. This was the legacy of the Republic, as every senator sought to add his own unique mark to document. What was a simple process would have been done weeks ago if it weren't for men seeking to have their own petty idea or thought or agenda emblazoned on the document for all the world to see. Like anyone would care who they were. In time ahead they'd be footnotes in the back of a history book.

It was supposed to be a single sheet of parchment. Just the official proclamation. Now it was five parchments of tedious tit for tat and ruthless explanation to satisfy the greed of recognition and fame among those who had a chance at neither. These men acted like they wrote the thing... Like they actually had something to do with any of it. Fools...

Careful reading of the whole document, not available to public and stored in the vaults of the palace, revealed most of the nonsense contradicted itself. They'd also note most of the drivel added was rendered inert by the standing clauses of power, which allowed the Stadtholder to sell whatever bill of goods he thought necessary. He needed only a majority from the senators... And that was easy enough to attain.

As he signed the proclamation and pushed his official seal into the wax, he called for a runner to take it down to clerks offices, where it would be duplicated for posting throughout the realm as per the charter. Even if it wasn't the actual binding document, the proclamation itself was enough, and the busy work by the senate only made look even more official. It was enough to let anyone who cared to look that Milan wasn't just Milan anymore.

And so it was, on the first of the year in 1541 that it became official.

The place he now stood was within the jurisdiction of The Milanese Empire...

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One of the first acts of the "new" government was to enable the standing laws within a new provincial court system. Instituted in key provinces throughout The Empire they stood as a first line of defense against any developing domestic issues that the changes may incur. With change comes trouble, and it's never foolish to give people a way to settle things peacefully. The foundation for this had been laid years in advance, and now that The Empire was officially established, it could officially enforce it's law.

Another thing The Empire needed to do was to establish it's official political territories and relationships. Most of this was mere formality, simply satisfying the need to reassert the same stances and relationships that Milan had had before.

There were a few new items on the agenda... We decided it would be prudent to GTY Granada, Castille, Navarra and Aragon, as well as re-certify the GTY on Guyenne.

Upon hearing of our great changes, the Mamluks went bankrupt and Yeman collapsed. Apparently they thought wrong when the figured our new Empire would be "nicer" to them than it had in the past...

Once the days started rolling by, people realized that life had changed very little. The roads were a little better, the ground was a different color, the name was easier to say.

And we did have that really cool new flag flying overhead...

But really, nothing had changed. Or so we thought...:

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It appears the "Bavarian Creme" didn't rise to the top after all. Even knowing this day would be upon us at some point, it still saddens us all a little to see it finally happen. In the positive, it is a sign of growth within the Empire that these things happen.

I apologize for the "Danzition"...

But I really wish I had rethought the use of the games Pirates. I really don't like them. I can at least understand Rebels, even though I find that to be a mere micromanage nuisance that adds little to the game other than to have something to do. But I will not in any way ever miss the pirate spawns of IN.

In fact, things like this...

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...actually completely changed my strategy for this area. The AI were simply incapable of handling these things, and the amount of pop-ups was getting downright silly.

But more on that later.

I'm going to leave out the Rebels alot this time around also. A quick note or something if they really had something to add to the game, but for the most part they were just there. And there. And over there... And I killed them all. Alot. They were really dead when I was done with them, and I never lost a battle with them...

We got a signal for direction pretty early on from the game engine...:

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Welp... That's one less thing to worry about. Save me a touch of the BB and some STAB penalties...

So a few Rebs down the road and we hit Naval 17. We jump to Land to gain our advantage as quickly as we can. The Tech is four years ahead, but we'll finish in two. We pop a courthouse in Medina and the Mams celebrate by going bankrupt. I begin having serious de ja vu issues...

We continue with converting select provinces also. PROtestant and Orthodox namely. PRO conversions keep us out of the religious turmoil event, and Orthodox is prevalent in our Greek counterparts, whom I still hold vain hope of getting accepted, especially now that Bavarian isn't.

Al-Djazair becomes the latest to endorse the Catholic craze. This one converted due to exorbitantly high monetary penalties and RR reasons...

I also continue a downright massive infrastructure building campaign. All provinces get Fort 2's, Temples, Workshops, Courthouses and Constables... Though not necessarily in that order. Keeping RR down is a priority, and constables need the courthouse to offset the RR factor. This is very true in all Middle Eastern territories...

The Mam lands are the current wave of builds...

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Plans are under way to separate Cairo from it's Mammy... It's the last of the money in Mamluk land, and it fits with Sinai in completing the northern Red Sea overland connection. Eventually I'll be able to run men from the Capitol over to Delta, pop across to the Red and have them in India in a matter of months, if not sooner. This will be vital to any invasion effort until I can get a core in India...

I got a nice road event for Ceuta... Took the +1 base tax. I like that event. I discover that Castille is hitting South America pretty hard as the spread of discoveries start in earnest.

Back home, Fort 2's are being completed across the Italian areas. Not only are they a plus for defense, they give a small boost to religious conversions too...

As December comes to a close in the first year, I take a quick look at the monetary situation...:

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I can afford to comfortably mint a little to keep the building projects going while running negative inflation by a few ticks. Currently I'm around 0.8 inflation total...

After the Constables completed on January 1, that 812.03 became an 862.34...
Hard to argue with this being one of my favorite buildings next to the almighty workshop...

The Mams celebrate by playing Sweden...

Our planned religious change gets a bit easier as Beirut joins in the REFormation.

We then get another boundary dispute...:

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While I'd hoped for it to be the other way around So I could eave Burgas as the Ottoman Capitol and not deal with them anymore, this still works. Having a province on the coast will facilitate a better defense against Poland should I end up having to deal with them. You could also make the case that we're dealing with a Med coast province, and as such has to be taken eventually anyways. In that scenario I'm now two cores ahead of the game...

Another hallmark of this run is the plethora of absolutely useless advisors coming my way. My guys are getting up there in years... The thought of a board full of one star Dudly Do Nothings has got my hackles up a bit. I've resorted to checking the board every once in awhile just for giggles. The hiring fair is OK, but I save it for when I really really need someone. I am thinking I may actually have to need someone.

A few one stars and a two star spymaster parade for me as I smash a rebellion in Angora, sending a 1/6/0 Patriot squad to an instant death. I also find out about Cape Verde among other places. The nation of Great Britain calls it her very own, along with a good chunk of the African shoreline...

I pop another Border Dispute, for Fez. I decide against accepting. One, I have three cores out already, which is eating away at my prestige. Two, it's a decent province, but with heavy RR and a 50% inhospitable marker it makes less than half it's potential. And three, I'm not ready for Portugal yet. Especially given her allies. There's better way to go about this.

I find out about the Grain and Gold coasts, and the Mams throw a bankruptcy party, this time collapsing for good measure. Maybe I won't see them lose all the 3 ducats again. Things would be so different if they just had Sweden's goat...

More parts of Africa present themselves... With it opening up may hap I can jump the gun and get an earlier core down that way... The hamster starts running on the old walnut wheel. As I find out about the Ivory coast, 99 and 3/4% pure, I also find out Castille owns Sierra Leone and the Grain coast. It looks like I'm not the only one working my way around Africa.

There's not a whole lot to settle down in around this way, and anything that can be colonized has thousands of 9.0 aggressive natives. Those are trouble unless you have men on the ground, so I'm forced to hold off a while.

A two star navigator sails by. I wave.

The REFormation spreads into Gabes, giving me a REFormed province on every continent I occupy now. I can realistically change at any time now, but won't until I've had some fun around the old homestead...

As the spread of discoveries becomes clearer, I decide I'll make a small move in Africa:

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I'm going to DoW Benin and establish a way point for any ships traveling around the horn. I don't plan on taking alot of ground down this way, but a layover point, or a place to hide should war with another colonizer break out is always a handy thing.

The year ends before I can get there, and no less than 13 constables finish building on the first. I build these from highest tax base to lowest, and the ones finishing now are all in the double digit tax bracket. There will be a nice jump in income come next year...

The first also sees Land Tech 21 achieved. It marks the arrival of the Chambered Demi Cannon, which will begin to see service in limited numbers for sieges.

Also, as Revolt Risk is always an issue in expansion, I take "The Judiciary Act" which lowers RR a full point across the board. Although it costs me 3% of my tax income, I think it's worth it. Money can't buy you anything if all you're doing is quashing Rebels and losing your cash to RR.

My current EOY tax is now 961.69... 150d a year up so far, and many more buildings to go.

Land Tech 22 is 7 years ahead at a huge(ish) 35,655 ducats. With Gov and Land sitting at 21, I opt to kick the others up a notch or two before continuing. I start with Production, as I currently pull almost twice as much money (91.2d) out of PE as I do TE (48.7), and that with a PE of 57% and a TE of 71%... The age of the Production (PE) Economy is here, with Mercantile Trade being merely an addon. CoTs from here on out are more a means to get tax boosts and extra colonists more so than to get trade money.

As I mentioned, the Caribbean Islands have become known through the spread of discoveries... To say I am disappointed to see Great Britain settling St. Martin is a classic from the understatement world. This, combined with the Pirates I keep having to see and deal with, without being able to actually deal with them down in the Red Sea is another impetus to change the program...

After some Rebels and a slide show on all the neat things the English have on their new Island, I finally arrive ready for action in Benin. The DoW is painless, as is the war. I basically walked in, sent the native army running and *spoof*, instant takeover. The Benin "army" even killed some of the unfriendly natives in the province next door before being thrown out into the next one...

I popped the question July 31st, and the next day it was official:

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Benin: New home of The Milanese Empire's first truck stop to India. Well Ship stop. Port of Call if you will. In any event, we made a move. We got something done, by cracky.

We also found out Portugal stole the canaries, and Brittany still survives on Madera...!

Now with all of this Island stuff going on, it was with great sadness that I saw it was still quite a ways off for The Azores to core. It wouldn't happen until the 5th of July in 1561... Some 18 years away...! I can't wait for 18 hours, let alone 18 years.

And I spoke too soon. The Mams belatedly celebrate our Benin victory by going broke again...

It isn't long before our friends the Irates with a P at the front make an appearance in Benin's front water.

Turns out to be the last significant event of 1543.

On the first, a whole slew of things happen. Way too many for one screen to hold or to show.
I'll try to summarize:
A bunch of constables got built.
We discovered a new seazone.
Girona, Dauphine, Roussillon, Provence and Languedoc all cored, minus their French core counterparts...

All of it is good news except the discovery of Bab el Mandeb. Translated it loosely it means "place where Pirates spawn... ALOT"

Ooh... A one star Treasurer. Too bad the only treasure there is that fake plastic money you buy a child in the grocery store.

At the tone, the Bad Boy will be... Seven... Twenty... One. *ding*

Oh, we're still at war with Mutapa. Even though we can't get there from here. And neither can they. But it's cool we're all at war and stuff.

So I've had enough of Pirate Mania by now to have the desire to do something else. I search around for awhile, as I want to find a way to get at the Otts without having to deal with Persia. The problem is, Persia is involved with everybody it seems.

But... After alot of intensive searching, I was able to come up with this:

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Now that's what I'm talking about. I'll miss this part alot when I transition to HT³. I noticed with the new CB system there's a little bit less of a need to go through this kind of thing. You have specific DoWs that pretty much tell you where you'll end up, and you really can't deviate from them too much else you end up with horrific Infamy.

I find it's alot more fun and challenging to get all of this together in this way, where you can make it work on so many fronts like this, all without putting yourself in too dangerous a situation. I'd rather take the BB and have the fun then follow a script... At least I can say this game has really served up some good ones.

With this, we should be able to isolate the Ottomans by taking Burgas. We can also isolate Cairo for the Mams and solidify our holdings around Mocha. We'll also set up the Hedjaz market to take control of Mecca. I'll purposely take the provinces needed to allow the capitol to be moved. We'll romp a little on Oman, and we'll take Dulkadir's last province too, just to clean that up and be done with it. While we're up around Oman's way, we'll venture into another small Mam stronghold and see what we can do to eliminate it from being.

All told, this should be more like a mop up operation than a war. There isn't a single nation in the box that has an army to speak of...

My lone dance partner Cleves joins in on the fun against Najd and the Otts. They have no idea where the other guys are... And apparently I'm not allowed to tell them. Or they just don't want to leave the continent.

Mutapa asked for 325 ducats to make peace. I told them to go out back and chop firewood. They'll be out there for a good 5 years before they make that kind of money...

Just in case you missed it... We are currently at war with:
The Otts, Yeman, Oman, Najd, Hedjaz, Dulkadir, Iraq, Syria, The Mams, Ethiopia, Mutapa and Adal...

So anyways... Here's the war...:

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Seriously. That's it. A couple skirmishes with everyone else as they sent their 2K and 3K armies to oblivion in the name of defense. Actually, they all mostly launched them into the nearest purple province and found it wasn't where they wanted to be after all. I mean if you're going to die with such certainty, shouldn't you die at home...?

It went pretty much like this across the board...:

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Nation launch small army into attack of my province...
Nation watch small army vanish in the blink of an eye minutes later...
Pretty standard stuff.

The first province to fall was the Sinai on the two month anniversary of the beginning of hostilities.

It was then I got this event...

"Vittorio Serbolloni"

Apparently what he was saying wasn't all baloney at all...
I could chose from a prestige boost or plus two stability.

Hmmm I thought. This would work quite well actually.

It would allow me to address the Pirate issue in the Red Sea.
It would allow me to colonize a few Islands before GB and Portugal and Castille got them all.
I could make it around Africa and open the way for ships to port in the Red Sea.
I could head East and find out where and what was awaiting us Eastward.

So many things could be handled for the low, low price of just ONE STAB.

Had to do it.

Tell me you wouldn't do the same. Be silly not too...
Momma always said never look a gift horse in the mouth, and I wasn't going to start now.

I swapped Press Gangs for QTFNW.

Yeah, I know. Navy and all that. Far more important to get this stuff done and handled so I can go back to focusing on tech and building ships.

The STAB would be back in September, a mere 6 months away. Hardly an exorbitant price to pay to take care of so many things.

Later that month Burgas fell, then Asyut, and then all the rest.

With QFTNW I was in range... Just in range, to start colonizing a few Islands. With my 1.5 colonists a year, I could more than match the others in speed and development. I let loose and sent colonists to Barbados, Dominica, Guadeloupe, St. Kitts and Antigua. The only other spots in range were Puerto Rico and Trinidad, the latter with natives of the high aggression variety. It would have to wait, as I had no ships or men to spare at the moment. Martinique was out of range by 11, and the other Islands were still TI. Still, if all went well, we'd at least have a boost to trade, and might even pull out another coastal CoT...

Back home, Serbia declared independence from Bulgaria. The amount of OPM's to come out of this region is staggering for a single game.

Being warred on and having half it's provinces taken didn't help the Mams bankruptcy situation any... Shortly afterward they lost Hawran too.

By August the Otts were done...:

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They ceded Burgas and set themselves up for annexation. Being surrounded, no one would have them but me...

Marcello Birago proved to be prophetic... He was assassinated the day before elections. We took the Diplomatic candidate and ended up with 8/6/4 Giovanni Maria d'Este. Alot of Maria's around these parts. For guys anyways...

I accepted a white peace from Iraq, as I have no desire for their land. I may never have a desire for it. I can go north through Persian Land and avoid this particularly sad area of the map.

We got Najd right after we got Pirates... Then we got Bonny and Calabar, or news about where they were. Then we got stable again. And a one star "treasure" crossed the lawn. I asked him to throw me the paper... Then I beat him with it until he ran away. And Iraq collapsed after being let go. That will teach 'em to offer peace when they obviously needed the war taxes...

So provinces were falling... A few rebs popped and went.

A one star Natural Scientist and a similar Artist stopped by. They had collaborated on a model of the solar system. It was a paddle ball with 4 balls on it, one painted yellow. I hate to think of what would happen if their assumptions had been even remotely correct.

Though it would explain my fall out of my truck the other day...

A two star Naval Organizer stopped by. He was a tad anal retentive. During his interview he took me down to the dock. He got very flustered when the ships moved as he tried to line them all up.

I tried to explain that the sea has these things called "waves"...

But it was no use...

As the new year came and went, it was war as usual. Mostly just sieges that took forever because they were in the crappiest of places. Or because it took a year to get enough troops down there to even attempt to start them.

Nice became a core in February. Nice... ;)

A week later, Adana fell and was annexed. Goodbye Dulkadir. See you when the rebels get out of hand in somewhere else. The move takes our BB to 8.81.

Persia, not to be outdone annexes Georgia.
The mams celebrate by going broke again.
We celebrate by converting Konstanz back from PRO.
And then we add Croatia converting to REFormed.
Yeah. Celebrate...

So I get another colonist and "make" an explorer. I'll get him set up on a fleet of 6 Barques... Just to make sure he lives.

I get excited for a second... A boundary dispute.
But it's for Tuat. A low rent sand pit in the name of Portugal again. Ugh. Keep it.

Our defensive position gives us a free fort in Dalmatia...

Things are winding down nicely...:

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Only a few provinces left to go and our Exploration team is all set to cast off for it's journey around the great white expanse.

Bithynia throws a bit of a monkey wrench in the works by going PRO. I jump on them and scream no no no. Then I make them take the missionary training course to help them remember what they should be. For now.

In November it's another boat load of constables and courthouses and stuff. Some 16 or so. And I won the siege of Asir.

I decided I'd battle Ethiopia all the way just to see what's behind the white. Any intel is worth the goofing around with their "armies"...

Six more level 2 forts finish up the 1st of December, as well as Production Level 18. I also get the natives encountering our colonies event. I opt to spiff the fifty ducats and gain a tax base +1.

The last action of the year is winning the siege of Snan'a. That leaves only Oman still to take down.

It's another round of constables and a workshop in March. It's pretty quiet all things considered. Nothing happens until July, when my tired band of Explorers arrives in Mocha. They get hammered by Hedjaz, who sends a fleet of galleys out to greet them. With my ships so low on morale when they arrive, I lose one and one gets captured.

But... The rest make it to port, and my explorer lives on...

On August 1st, I learn about Moron.
I don't have the heart to tell them I've known about them for decades now.

Some good news in September as Judea, Aleppo, Beirut and Gaza all core. Yeman and Oman both accept peace from Poland. Say what...? Poland...? Where did that come from...?

Our colonizing efforts prove to be successful. And it's only a matter of 24 days before our Pirate friends pop in to say "Hi..! Still a pain in the..."

By December of 1546 I've completed most of Ethiopia and Adal. I'll be very happy when this is all done. Come the first it's another round of buildings.

A one star Lord Proprietor pops by. I'd have better luck watering my colonies to make them grow...

The game is playing alot like this update. A whole lot happening, but nothing really important. (or interesting...) It was dragging a bit, I must say. There's only so much excitement in sieging sand pits.

I did get the Death of a Merchant event. I had no use for the advisors, but the 1124.34 ducats I had plenty of use for.

Trade Tech 18 popped in May, along with some new found sea province and news the Mams were still broke. That was quickly followed by a one star Army Organizer. Be still my heart, these show stopper advisors are breaking the bank for sure...

Another free fort in Roma... Makes the temporary tradition loss well worth it.

One of my last remaining PROvinces goes back to Cathy when Krain rejoins the fold. Shortly after Savoie and Avignon core. I can't believe it's been that long since that first war with the French... We celebrate with another building finished parade, followed the next month by another. A free thousand plus ducats will do that for you. most are fort upgrades and courthouses.

In April 1548 I begin the peace proceedings. First up is Adal. They give me 100d and I force them to give up all claims they have anywhere else. That'll make them quietly go away when I'm not looking... Next up is Syria. I don't want their land either, but waiting a bit nets me 33 ducats. It's all they have to offer.

Ethiopia has nothing. Unless I want backwater provinces in absolutely horrid land. So instead I go after Mutapa. I haven't done a thing to them, but the Ethiopian provinces I have give me 51% WS. I nab 1500 ducats on 60%... Works for me. The Mams cry in their soup and complain of bankruptcy as I finalize the transaction...

Barbados will make Sugar. That's a sort of Spice. That's good.

And then I died again.
Day before the elections.
Stupid.
The new guy is Paolo Barzagli.
Sounds like a used car salesman.
Or a mouth wash consultant.
He's got decent stats though, 7/6/8...

To celebrate I fight Pirates. 8 bigs against 2 galleys. I have to chase them awhile before they die. As if Pirates weren't already a big enough pain in the...

Oman is next up on the peace train...

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The two provinces are Spice... Again a good fit. I am unable to isolate the capitol though...

I have to stop and deal with more Pirates, then rebels before I can continue. By the time I'm done the new year rolls around, and the annual roll call of new buildings pops. Level 2 forts and courthouses. I currently have some 30 buildings completing. Most are constables with some fort 2's thrown in.

France tries to bribe the Curia... But fails. I decide to repay the favor by warning her. The Pirates hear about it and get mad by the new provinces in Oman. A one star artist gets all excited and stops by to see if I want him to paint a picture of it for me... I say no, thank you anyways. Cyprus is so happy to hear I turned him down they core.

Then the Merchant Fractures happen. It's not a matter for the crown. My prestige is greatly enhanced by this admission for some reason. How I can be rewarded for passing the buck is beyond me...

So I've been watching.
And I've been waiting.
And watching.
And waiting...

And it pays off...:

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It had been hovering from 393 and change to 398 and change for years... I figure they finally got a few colonies built up enough to start sending some wealth. Either way, another tax boost and another 0.1 colonists...

And check it... More good news...:

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Bet you never thought you'd see that. I know I didn't. But I like it. It gives me hope. I'll probably lose it eventually. But all the work paid off, and that's all that counts.

And don't think the date is lost on me either. I'm telling you. weird things happen on April Fools Day.

Brittany is no more. Castille annexed her not 2 days after my little happy time. I congratulate her by sending a warning.

Another batch of constables finishes May 1st, and I'm able to expand my colonial holdings a touch. St. Lucia and Puerto Rico join the family of Islands, with St. Thomas on the way too. Martinique is one, yes ONE too far to grab, and Portugal jumps it.

With all of the colony stuff and the Pirates and the Rebels I finally get back to "piecing" out the conquests. Yemen is on the block next and loses Aden. They also give up the claim on Mocha, so no more unsponsored nationalist worries there.

I'm still routing ships to the Red Sea side of the world to establish patrols. The Pirates here are simply painful, as the AI does nothing until it's too late. There are pockets of ships hiding too. It's not uncommon to go into the TI and have 12 or more ships waiting. These are small fleets too. I can't wait to get around into the south pacific where uncharted waters can house some rather large fleets...

Hedjaz is next on deck. I take Asir and Tabouk, leaving them with three unconnected provinces. Next time I'm down this way, they'll be moving the capitol as Mecca becomes mine.

Last up is the Mams themselves...:

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As promised, I isolate Cairo. I have to take some junk to do it, but the province is worth it. I also take the two provinces she was hiding on the Oman side of the sea. No sense leaving her with anything of value.

A rather dull, long and painful "war" is finally in the books. And to think I get to go at it at least once more...

That about wraps up this update...

I have a date with a European and another round of sandbox yet to go...

Till then...!

T
 

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Whew, you make long updates. :p

Go Greek! It's much harder to lose an accepted culture than it is to gain one, so we should be good for now.

So how far away are you from finally taking Mecca? Just another war?

Good move on the Tangeirs COT. It'll pay itself of soon.

Also, I propose that we kick the OE out of Europe once and for all next session.