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Updated Strategic Initiatives... The 1502 Edition

Welcome all to the new updated initiatives... Do to my being burdened with having to create many gag gifts this year, I've been late in posting this. But no matter, as many have spoken already. So let's put this into some sort of order, shall we...?

First, the recap of happenings and goings on.

Those things that are no longer necessary to debate:

Becoming a Grand Republic:
The Pope... Annexation and you:
Thrace: Potential COT Site and Important Land Bridge...
Taking down the Bavarian Tuscany Alliance:

Getting serious about taking the Holy Land:
And we did. So serious that we walked over to the Mams and took it, liberating Jerusalem for all of Christendom. They can even see it too, all they need to is pay the 23 ducat per person entry fee... ;) What...? Somebody's got to pay for all this...

Grand Centralization:
We currently sit at -2, which will allow us to make a move... somewhere else...!

Trading Ideology:
Mercantile. With 3 CoTs now, a 4th in Alexandria and a 5th in Liguria, with bonus core, Merc seems our destiny. Also given our tendency to carry BB, which ruins compete chance, having high Merc will enable us to take advantage of our Monopolies.

So on to our current situation, and where we go from here...

The Current Agenda:

In reading the from the suggestion box, there seems to be a consensus that basically says linking up the Greek held area with the Italian area is a better idea than I thought.

At first I thought maybe there was some fear among those that advised, as I saw little reason to rush headlong down the Hungarian coast and claim the ancient lands of Illyria. But when those sentiments became echos, and the reasons began to be assembled, I realized I may have jumped the gun in my dismissal of a land connections importance.

Initially, I dismissed the need to 'connect' with myself... There were other important things to do and all that. But I will not play the fool. The Advisory Board has spoken, and the connection through Hungary has been moved up the list.


As I see it now, we have a few immediate priorities for this next session, all outlined on this handy map...:

PR_614Targets.jpg


First are the CoT provinces of Alexandria and Liguria.
Second is the connection from Istria to our Greek provinces along the coast.
Third is opportune exploitation of the Otts to connect Judea.
Fourth is cultural acquisition in Mam and Ott Land.
Fifth is actions along the Northern Med to beat Portugal to the punch.

The slider move appears to be the move to Mercantile to take advantage of Monopolizing CoTs.

The NI move is still unclear.

Specific directives and objectives:

Sir OrangeYoshi: Byzantium must live! (I will GTY them)
Sir Enewald: Obey! (!!!)
Sir Beamed: Sleeping it off...? (Hello...?)
Sir nsahn: Protect against Castille Mission! (as our ships are less than I give them credit for)
Sir blsteen: Tripoli and pincer Alexandria...? (If opportunity arises)
Sir Malurous: Leave of absence for "BS"... :D (Congrats Again!)
Sir quicksabre: Our ships suck. Land connection "particularly important". (they do, I now realize)
Sir Ahriman: I like the idea of expanding to Mecca and beyond...:)cool:)
enkhuush, the 'Advisor from Castille': Land Connection Essential, but Only Coastal.
Advisor draik: A rainbow...the more cultures in the melting pot, the better!
Sir To Be Named Later: I must follow the advice of my Knights...

Major Game Decisions Yet to be Reached or Decided:

Taking Japan as the End Game VS An an Open End Game:

Why YES, That Sounds Fabulous -or- NO, Let The Game Decide Our End:

Sir OrangeYoshi: "Japan by land, and no new world."
Sir Enewald:
Sir Beamed:
Sir nsahn: "I am lukewarm to this proposition."
Sir blsteen:
Sir Malurous:
Sir quicksabre: "The problem with a goal like this, especially with all of the handcuffs you want to put on yourself, is that it dictates which direction we have to go and thus what kind of strategy we need to pursue. Part of the excitement of this AAR is the fact that we are never quite sure what will happen next because it is neither strictly opportunistic or goal based, and what is goal based is based on constantly changing goals."
Sir Ahriman: "Much too soon to have an opinion on this one"
Sir To Be Named Later: "I Rike It...!"

The Special French Combo Platter:

Awhile back, the valiant Knight of Sutherland, (that STILL kills me :rofl:), Sir Beamed, mentioned this cosmopolitan craving for the gates of Paris. He wanted that we should "Latinize" the Frenchies... A second inclination towards the Frenchies also caught my eye with Sir nsahn's (crazy?) thought of gaining cosmopolitan as an accepted culture.

To say this has piqued my interest would be a touch of the understatement...

Sir OrangeYoshi:
Sir Enewald:
Sir Beamed: "Make all Cosmopolitan provinces a Latin culture!"
Sir nsahn: "Milan and Paris!"
Sir blsteen:
Sir Malurous:
Sir quicksabre:
Sir Ahriman: "it is unacceptable that some our Lombard brothers in Piedmont are under the French yoke"
Sir To Be Named Later: "The BBB must suffer at all times. It's the law."

Austria: There's GOLD in them there hills.

Sir OrangeYoshi:
Sir Enewald:
Sir Beamed:
Sir nsahn:
Sir blsteen:
Sir Malurous:
Sir quicksabre: "#2 is harder than you give it credit for." (referencing culture)
Sir Ahriman: "Yes! Bring all the other Austrians and Bavarians into the Republic."
Sir To Be Named Later: "All in due time..."

Mediterranean Empire or Colonizing Force:

Sir OrangeYoshi: "Land through to Japan"
Sir Enewald: "Both of 'em"
Sir Beamed: "Med Empire"
Sir nsahn: "Island Specific & Womanizer"
Sir blsteen: "Both of 'em"
Sir Malurous: "Med Empire"
Sir quicksabre: "Mediterranean all the way! But I've said that already."
Sir Ahriman: "It would be interesting to control the entire coastlines of both middle seas (the med and the Gulf of Mexico/Caribbean)."
marty99: "Both of 'em"
Rabid: "Colonizer"
kfijatass: "Med Empire"
enkhuush: "Both of 'em"
sjones25: "Med Empire"
Sir To Be Named Later: "Go East, young man..."

Land or Naval:

Sir OrangeYoshi: "Make my vote for land slider."
Sir Enewald: "Balanced"
Sir Beamed:
Sir nsahn: "Depends upon how early you want to go for Japan."
Sir blsteen: "Land or Naval, I vote balanced"
Sir Malurous: "Balanced"
Sir quicksabre: "Land"
Sir Ahriman: "I believe a balanced approach is best here."
kfijatass: "Land"
Rabid: "Naval"
enkhuush: "One slider movement to land."
Sir To Be Named Later: "One move to naval."

No New World:

Sir OrangeYoshi: "Japan by land, and no new world."
Sir Enewald: "Yes New World"
Sir Beamed:
Sir nsahn: "Skip the New World."
Sir blsteen: "Yes New World"
Sir Malurous: "No New World"
Sir quicksabre: "Colonies only as necessary to take relevant culture provinces."
Sir Ahriman: "The new world is essential."
sjones25: "If you really want colonies, ...it's much easier and cheaper (and more interesting) to just take them from other people."
Rabid: "Yes New World"
marty99: "Yes New World"
kfijatass: "No New World"
enkhuush: "Yes New World"
sjones25: "No New World"
Sir To Be Named Later: "Only from the Pacific side...?"

Can't touch Portugal:

Sir OrangeYoshi: "Don't touch them. They could be a decent foe at the end game (possibly) and you won't be going in that direction anyway with your naval tech 5."
Sir Enewald: "Just Watch Me"
Sir Beamed:
Sir nsahn: "Leave her be."
Sir blsteen: "When necessary vulnerable, but I really wonder if there is going to be a lot of conflict if most of the purple's effort is headed east."
Sir Malurous: "Leave her be"
Sir quicksabre:
Sir Ahriman: "Portugal should only become a target if she becomes a colonial rival (i.e. just colonies)."
kfijatass: "Leave her be"
Rabid: "Just Colonies"
enkhuush: "You allow to exist...? (ie; destroy... destroy...)"
sjones25: "Forget them completely"
Sir To Be Named Later: "We're gonna have to, like it or not..."

Forming Italy and turning Pukey Green vs Retaining Our Purple(ish) Milanese Heritage vs Forming some as yet undetermined third nation/state:

Sir OrangeYoshi: "Anyway, stay Milan! We must resist those natural urges. They may be natural, but they have no place here."
Sir (I'm still staying for Milan) Enewald: "Go Milano"
Sir Beamed: "Go Milano"
Sir nsahn: "My vote's still the same. Although role-playing as a republic ruled by a city (think Rome), also seems fun."
Sir blsteen: "I say either other unspecified country or Milan"
Sir Malurous: "Go Milano"
Sir quicksabre: "Go For Some Other Unified Country"
Sir Ahriman: "declaring an Italian republic would send a message to any foreign monarch thinking of intervening in the peninsular and perhaps claiming the Iron Crown."
Rabid: "Go Italian"
Devilmay: "Go Italian"
Iain Wilson: "Go Italian"
kfijatass: "Go Italian"
sjones25: "Go Italian"
marty99: "Go Milano"
urdh: "Go Milano"
enkhuush: "Go Milano"
SolisDF: "Go Milano"
cezar87: "Form Italy. Conquering the Med as A city-state is awkward."
Sir To Be Named Later: "Milan or another independent Republic."

Protestant bound:

Sir OrangeYoshi: "game play points to PRO all the way..."
Sir Enewald: "Reformed"
Sir Beamed: "Reformed should make things more difficult, especially if you don't have a lot of the Reformation in your provinces"
Sir nsahn: "Reformed. To paraphrase Sir Beamed, we are approaching the no-competition benchmark."
Sir blsteen: "Go PRO"
Sir Malurous: "the combination of REF and the other thing I quoted ("Forcing the taking of all provinces around the med, some currently held by some pretty big sticks before I can go East.")"
Sir quicksabre:"Either is fine w/ me, just not catholic." (previously PRO)
Sir Ahriman: "I believe that Protestantism is the way to go (see my sig)." (sig references Martin Luther.)
kfijatass: "Stay Cathy"
marty99: "Stay Cathy"
Rabid: "Go PRO"
urdh: "Stay Cathy"
Throne: "Stay Cathy"
enkhuush: "Be the REF"
cezar87: "In my opinion Protestant is better than Reformed. It would indeed be more interesting to go Reformed but I am generally a pragmatist and the bonuses from being Protestant are better."
sjones25: "Protestant, the first province to convert should be Roma!"
Sir To Be Named Later: "Leaning REF and PRO. Could let the province turn decide, or go with the first that pops..."

The "Corniness" of the AAR:

Sir To Be Named Later: "It's Good For You"
Sir OrangeYoshi: "Oh My..."
Sir Enewald: "After WC maybe. Or when I get elected to eternal dictatorship."
Sir Beamed:
Sir nsahn:
Sir blsteen:
Sir Malurous: "Has Never thought it Corny"
Sir quicksabre: :D "I believe this was my response to this question" It was, I was a post off... ;)
Sir Ahriman: "I love it!"
marty99: ":cool:"
enkhuush: "Let's see what happens"
The rest of the world: "Don't Care"

Quote of the day:

Sir nsahn: "I am telling you from experience that you will get DOWed by Castile if your navy is weaker than hers when she gets that mission."

T

I will always do my best to incorporate anything I find particularly fascinating, very funny or quintessentially tangental.

The Grand Purple(ish) Republic of Milan is brought to you by Noble Republic. Noble Republic, serving your republican government needs since Government Tech level 10...

The current Knights of "The Breakfast Club":

Sir OrangeYoshi:
Sir Enewald:
Sir Beamed:
Sir nsahn:
Sir blsteen:
Sir Malurous:
Sir quicksabre:
Sir Ahriman:
Sir To Be Named Later:

Two Advisors of the realm have been nominated for being Knighted for the next SoftR Address.
 

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I only skimmed through the SotR and Strategic Initiatives quickly and didn't read the comments, but I agree with the general direction (conquer the CoTs, get land connection, merc slider). I'll have to read properly when I have computer time.
 

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Just to get my thoughts on record, though they are only worth 2c (and that's 2 South African cents, which are 0.3c in USD). One or two new comments (in yellow).


The Current Agenda:

Specific directives and objectives:

Advisor draik: A rainbow...the more cultures in the melting pot, the better!

Major Game Decisions Yet to be Reached or Decided:

Taking Japan as the End Game VS An an Open End Game:

Why YES, That Sounds Fabulous -or- NO, Let The Game Decide Our End:

Advisor draik: Good long-term goal, but loose. More a guiding ideal than a specific requirement. Let's call it a team motto. :D

The Special French Combo Platter:

Advisor draik: As part of cultural acquisition, heck yeah. And then dominate them blobby blues too. They've got it coming.

Mediterranean Empire or Colonizing Force:

Advisor draik: Med Empire

Land or Naval:

Advisor draik: Balanced or one to land.

No New World:

Advisor draik: No new world - colonise Africa and Australasia.

Forming Italy and turning Pukey Green vs Retaining Our Purple(ish) Milanese Heritage vs Forming some as yet undetermined third nation/state:

Advisor draik: Milan forever!

Protestant bound:

Advisor draik: Protestant or Reformed - just not Catholic. I want to see a Protestant Rome!

The "Corniness" of the AAR:

Advisor draik: Corn tastes good. With butter and Aromat (a fantastic salt-msg flavour combo, kills you slowly with happiness).
 

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Specific directives and objectives:

Take Sicily and Genoa as well as uniting your land provinces. Except for your vassal Naples (try and diplo-annex) this gives you all of Italy.

Taking Japan as the End Game VS An an Open End Game:

Let's decide later in the game.

The Special French Combo Platter:

I'd say take more of France so they don't attack you when your attention is diverted to the East. In fact, keeping taking care of them should be a priority.

Austria: There's GOLD in them there hills.

Let Austria live for now.

Mediterranean Empire or Colonizing Force:

Is there a reason you can't do both?

Land or Naval:

Having a navy is fine. Having an army to go in from your navy is better. +1 to Land.

No New World:

So some other European power can have them, grow rich, and challenge our power? NEVER. At least have a presence. Let the Native Americans tremble in fear to the Milanese armies!

Can't touch Portugal:

Only if Portugal is stupid enough to touch you.

Forming Italy and turning Pukey Green vs Retaining Our Purple(ish) Milanese Heritage vs Forming some as yet undetermined third nation/state:

This isn't Italy! This is Milan, darn it! And we're staying Milan, not this so called Italy you're thinking about.

Protestant bound:

Reformed. No reason.

The "Corniness" of the AAR:

LOVING IT!

Actually I was reading this AAR while other people were in a meeting (I wasn't part of it), and they got angry with me when I laughed out loud...multiple times! They simply didn't get it.
 

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Specific directives eh? Well, in that case..

The map is too messy as it is. Until such a time that you will be able to begin the assimilation of the French culture into Milan, it is imperative that any one province nation, or nation which makes otherwise contiguous provinces discontiguous, should be immediately absorbed into the Grand Republic. Grand Republic of Knights.

Wait, what? Hm. Grand Republic of Nights. Arabian Nights.

Ah, I see.

We should also begin considering conquest of the Arabian Peninsula, to allow ourselves a gateway to India once the rapids which is the Reformation are passed. The prestige and missionary bonus from Mecca oughtn't be scoffed at either.

And finally, I propose We colonize the New World - while going Land. This will not only weaken antracer(Love ya, guy, but..), it should also make things a bit more interesting in terms of adding another area to worry about into this already hodge-podged array of various ..added...areas..
...

I need coffee.

EDIT: Refreshed, I can move on.

Moving Land will also provide with a valuable bonus to manpower, which, considering our cultural makeup - which more closely resembles that of a clown than that of a woman - we do not nearly gain the most we can of. Even moreso, the land force limits bonus will be useful in that it will be useless - we will have such an extravagant maximum of it that we do not need to even care about how many troops we have in comparison to it.

Further, I am of the opinion that Carthage should be destroyed.
 
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I would be remiss if I did not ask about possibilities for the next NI? Also a drive on Mecca would be beneficial sooner rather than later for possession of the Kaaba and the prestige and missionaries. Plus I have found in my games (where the judea/mecca combo draw me like a moth to a flame) having cores on the Red Sea is of great benefit to maintaining expansion in the east.
 

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Updated Strategic Initiatives: 1502 Power of the Force Edition

So after a half nights sleep I surprised the boss, leaving the shop and on my way as he was just arriving. Early in, early out.

I just got done wrapping the significant other's gifts, so that's done. I am half way home on the gag gifts for the eve party at the folks...

SO, we have a little time for a peek into the minds of the minions and see what's cooking... Besides the brain cells of Sir Malurous...

Those things that are no longer necessary to debate:

Becoming a Grand Republic:
The Pope... Annexation and you:
Thrace: Potential COT Site and Important Land Bridge...
Taking down the Bavarian Tuscany Alliance:
Getting serious about taking the Holy Land:
Grand Centralization:
Trading Ideology:

The Current Agenda:

As I see it now, we have a few immediate priorities for this next session, all outlined on this handy map...:

PR_614Targets.jpg


1- The CoT provinces of Alexandria and Liguria.
2- The connection from Istria to our Greek provinces along the coast.
3- The opportune exploitation of the Otts to connect Judea.
4- The acquisition of cultural provinces in Mam and Ott Land.
5- Commence actions along the Northern Med to beat Portugal to the punch.

The slider move appears to be the move to Mercantile to take advantage of Monopolizing CoTs.

The NI move is still unclear.
Yes it is. There is much to be thought out here unless you want me to take a random NI. I'm thinking Shrewd Commerce Practices, cuz it has some really cool events... I'll have an NI this time around if all goes right, so what'll it be...?

Specific directives and objectives:

Sir OrangeYoshi: Byzantium must live! (I will GTY them)
Sir Enewald: Obey! (!!!)
Sir Beamed: "The map is too messy as it is. Until such a time that you will be able to begin the assimilation of the French culture into Milan, it is imperative that any one province nation, or nation which makes otherwise contiguous provinces discontinuous, should be immediately absorbed into the Grand Republic. Grand Republic of Knights." ...yeah...!!!...
Sir nsahn: Protect against Castille Mission! (as our ships are less than I give them credit for)
Sir blsteen: Tripoli and pincer Alexandria...? (If opportunity arises)
Sir Malurous: Leave of absence for "BS"... :D (Congrats Again!)
Sir quicksabre: Our ships suck. Land connection "particularly important". (they do, I now realize)
Sir Ahriman: I like the idea of expanding to Mecca and beyond...:)cool:)
enkhuush, the 'Advisor from Castille': Land Connection Essential, but Only Coastal.
Advisor draik: A rainbow...the more cultures in the melting pot, the better!
Heradite: "Take Sicily and Genoa as well as uniting your land provinces. Except for your vassal Naples (try and diplo-annex) this gives you all of Italy."
Sir To Be Named Later: I must follow the advice of my Knights...

Major Game Decisions Yet to be Reached or Decided:

Getting Serious About the Other Holy Land:

As mentioned here and there... The allure of Mecca is a strong one. As is the run down the Red Sea towards Africa. Not only does this pose an easier path to India, it also may make it possible to find our way there before the Portuguese and the English, and Castille should she decide to take her head out of her rearmost extremity...

Sir OrangeYoshi:
Sir Enewald:
Sir Beamed: "We should also begin considering conquest of the Arabian Peninsula, to allow ourselves a gateway to India once the rapids which is the Reformation are passed. The prestige and missionary bonus from Mecca oughtn't be scoffed at either."
Sir nsahn:
Sir blsteen: "... drive on Mecca would be beneficial sooner rather than later for possession of the Kaaba and the prestige and missionaries. Plus I have found in my games (where the Judea/Mecca combo draw me like a moth to a flame) having cores on the Red Sea is of great benefit to maintaining expansion in the east."
Sir Malurous:
Sir quicksabre: "If the opportunity presents itself, go for it!"
Sir Ahriman:
Advisor draik:
Heradite:
Sir To Be Named Later: "Didn't I bring this up...? About Mecca, and going through to beat the English and Portuguese to India and all that... Somebody's been peaking at my notes."


Taking Japan as the End Game VS An an Open End Game:

Why YES, That Sounds Fabulous -or- NO, Let The Game Decide Our End:

Sir OrangeYoshi: "Japan by land, and no new world."
Sir Enewald:"My opinion is that there be no such thing as Japan. Why bother conquering it?" because it's there...?
Sir Beamed:
Sir nsahn: "I am lukewarm to this proposition."
Sir blsteen:
Sir Malurous:
Sir quicksabre: "The problem with a goal like this, especially with all of the handcuffs you want to put on yourself, is that it dictates which direction we have to go and thus what kind of strategy we need to pursue. Part of the excitement of this AAR is the fact that we are never quite sure what will happen next because it is neither strictly opportunistic or goal based, and what is goal based is based on constantly changing goals."
Sir Ahriman: "Much too soon to have an opinion on this one"
Advisor draik: "Good long-term goal, but loose. More a guiding ideal than a specific requirement. Let's call it a team motto.:D"
Heradite: "Let's decide later in the game.''
Sir To Be Named Later: "I Rike It...!"

The Special French Combo Platter:

Sir OrangeYoshi:
Sir Enewald:
Sir Beamed: "Make all Cosmopolitan provinces a Latin culture!"
Sir nsahn: "Milan and Paris!"
Sir blsteen:
Sir Malurous:
Sir quicksabre: "I'm all for beating up the French - but make sure it doesn't distract you from the real goals (Med, culture, leaving Catholicism, etc)"
Sir Ahriman: "it is unacceptable that some our Lombard brothers in Piedmont are under the French yoke"
Advisor draik: "As part of cultural acquisition, heck yeah. And then dominate them blobby blues too. They've got it coming."
Heradite: "I'd say take more of France so they don't attack you when your attention is diverted to the East. In fact, keeping taking care of them should be a priority."
Sir To Be Named Later: "The BBB must suffer at all times. It's the law."

Austria: There's GOLD in them there hills.

Sir OrangeYoshi:
Sir Enewald:"I approve the invasion of Austrian Alps. I approve the invasion of Austrian Alps. I approve the invasion of Austrian Alps. I approve the invasion of Austrian Alps... Thank You for your cooperation." ...I obey...!
Sir Beamed:
Sir nsahn:
Sir blsteen:
Sir Malurous:
Sir quicksabre: "#2 is harder than you give it credit for." (referencing culture)
Sir Ahriman: "Yes! Bring all the other Austrians and Bavarians into the Republic."
Heradite: "Let Austria live for now."
Sir To Be Named Later: "All in due time..."

Mediterranean Empire or Colonizing Force:

Sir OrangeYoshi: "Land through to Japan"
Sir Enewald: "Both of 'em"
Sir Beamed: "Med Empire"
Sir nsahn: "Island Specific & Womanizer"
Sir blsteen: "Both of 'em"
Sir Malurous: "Med Empire"
Sir quicksabre: "Mediterranean all the way! But I've said that already."
Sir Ahriman: "It would be interesting to control the entire coastlines of both middle seas (the med and the Gulf of Mexico/Caribbean)."
Advisor draik: "Med Empire"
marty99: "Both of 'em"
Rabid: "Colonizer"
kfijatass: "Med Empire"
enkhuush: "Both of 'em"
sjones25: "Med Empire"
Heradite: "Is there a reason you can't do both?" ...Yes. It's too easy to just go colony crazy and make a mint and kick back and rake da monies. We wanted a little unconventional and a little tougher than normal for a last hurrah... ;)
Sir To Be Named Later: "Go East, young man..."

Land or Naval:

Sir OrangeYoshi: "Make my vote for land slider."
Sir Enewald: "Balanced"
Sir Beamed: "Moving Land will also provide with a valuable bonus to manpower, which, considering our cultural makeup - which more closely resembles that of a clown than that of a woman - we do not nearly gain the most we can of. Even more so, the land force limits bonus will be useful in that it will be useless - we will have such an extravagant maximum of it that we do not need to even care about how many troops we have in comparison to it." *facepalm* He wants to kill me. No doubt about it... He wants me dead... :p
Sir nsahn: "Depends upon how early you want to go for Japan."
Sir blsteen: "Land or Naval, I vote balanced"
Sir Malurous: "Balanced"
Sir quicksabre: "Land"
Sir Ahriman: "I believe a balanced approach is best here."
Advisor draik: "Balanced or one to land."
kfijatass: "Land"
Rabid: "Naval"
enkhuush: "One slider movement to land."
Heradite: "Having a navy is fine. Having an army to go in from your navy is better. +1 to Land."
Sir To Be Named Later: "One move to naval."

No New World:

Sir OrangeYoshi: "Japan by land, and no new world."
Sir Enewald: "Yes New World"
Sir Beamed: "And finally, I propose We colonize the New World - while going Land." ...I hate the band. I hate the song. But it fits... "Do you really want to hurt me..." :(
Sir nsahn: "Skip the New World."
Sir blsteen: "Yes New World"
Sir Malurous: "No New World"
Sir quicksabre: "Colonies only as necessary to take relevant culture provinces."
Sir Ahriman: "The new world is essential."
Advisor draik: "No new world - colonise Africa and Australasia."
sjones25: "If you really want colonies, ...it's much easier and cheaper (and more interesting) to just take them from other people."
Rabid: "Yes New World"
marty99: "Yes New World"
kfijatass: "No New World"
enkhuush: "Yes New World"
sjones25: "No New World"
Heradite: "So some other European power can have them, grow rich, and challenge our power? NEVER. At least have a presence. Let the Native Americans tremble in fear to the Milanese armies!"
Sir To Be Named Later: "Only from the Pacific side...?"

Can't touch Portugal:

Sir OrangeYoshi: "Don't touch them. They could be a decent foe at the end game (possibly) and you won't be going in that direction anyway with your naval tech 5."
Sir Enewald: "Just Watch Me"
Sir Beamed:
Sir nsahn: "Leave her be."
Sir blsteen: "When necessary vulnerable, but I really wonder if there is going to be a lot of conflict if most of the purple's effort is headed east."
Sir Malurous: "Leave her be"
Sir quicksabre: "They have med provinces - and need to be beaten up for it." ...We got one that can see...
Sir Ahriman: "Portugal should only become a target if she becomes a colonial rival (i.e. just colonies)."
kfijatass: "Leave her be"
Rabid: "Just Colonies"
enkhuush: "You allow to exist...? (ie; destroy... destroy...)"
sjones25: "Forget them completely"
Heradite: "Only if Portugal is stupid enough to touch you."
Sir To Be Named Later: "We're gonna have to, like it or not..."

Forming Italy and turning Pukey Green vs Retaining Our Purple(ish) Milanese Heritage vs Forming some as yet undetermined third nation/state:

Sir OrangeYoshi: "Anyway, stay Milan! We must resist those natural urges. They may be natural, but they have no place here."
Sir (I'm still staying for Milan) Enewald: "Go Milano"
Sir Beamed: "Go Milano"
Sir nsahn: "My vote's still the same. Although role-playing as a republic ruled by a city (think Rome), also seems fun."
Sir blsteen: "I say either other unspecified country or Milan"
Sir Malurous: "Go Milano"
Sir quicksabre: "Go For Some Other Unified Country"
Sir Ahriman: "declaring an Italian republic would send a message to any foreign monarch thinking of intervening in the peninsular and perhaps claiming the Iron Crown."
Advisor draik: "Milan forever!"
Rabid: "Go Italian"
Devilmay: "Go Italian"
Iain Wilson: "Go Italian"
kfijatass: "Go Italian"
sjones25: "Go Italian"
marty99: "Go Milano"
urdh: "Go Milano"
enkhuush: "Go Milano"
SolisDF: "Go Milano"
cezar87: "Form Italy. Conquering the Med as A city-state is awkward."
Heradite: "This isn't Italy! This is Milan, darn it! And we're staying Milan, not this so called Italy you're thinking about." ...he said 'darn'...:D
Sir To Be Named Later: "Milan or another independent Republic."

Protestant bound:

Sir OrangeYoshi: "game play points to PRO all the way..."
Sir Enewald: "Reformed"
Sir Beamed: "Reformed should make things more difficult, especially if you don't have a lot of the Reformation in your provinces"
Sir nsahn: "Reformed. To paraphrase Sir Beamed, we are approaching the no-competition benchmark."
Sir blsteen: "Go PRO"
Sir Malurous: "the combination of REF and the other thing I quoted ("Forcing the taking of all provinces around the med, some currently held by some pretty big sticks before I can go East.")"
Sir quicksabre:"Either is fine w/ me, just not catholic." (previously PRO)
Sir Ahriman: "I believe that Protestantism is the way to go (see my sig)." (sig references Martin Luther.)
Advisor draik: "Protestant or Reformed - just not Catholic. I want to see a Protestant Rome!"
kfijatass: "Stay Cathy"
marty99: "Stay Cathy"
Rabid: "Go PRO"
urdh: "Stay Cathy"
Throne: "Stay Cathy"
enkhuush: "Be the REF"
cezar87: "In my opinion Protestant is better than Reformed. It would indeed be more interesting to go Reformed but I am generally a pragmatist and the bonuses from being Protestant are better."
sjones25: "Protestant, the first province to convert should be Roma!"
Sir To Be Named Later: "Leaning REF and PRO. Could let the province turn decide, or go with the first that pops..."

The "Corniness" of the AAR:

Sir OrangeYoshi: "Oh My..."
Sir Enewald: "After WC maybe. Or when I get elected to eternal dictatorship."
Sir Beamed:
Sir nsahn:
Sir blsteen:
Sir Malurous: "Has Never thought it Corny"
Sir quicksabre: :D "I believe this was my response to this question" It was, I was a post off... ;)
Sir Ahriman: "I love it!"
Advisor draik: "Corn tastes good. With butter and Aromat (a fantastic salt-msg flavour combo, kills you slowly with happiness)."
marty99: ":cool:"
enkhuush: "Let's see what happens"
Heradite: "LOVING IT!"
Sir To Be Named Later: "It's Good For You"
The rest of the world: "Don't Care"

Quote of the day:

Sir nsahn: "I am telling you from experience that you will get DOWed by Castile if your navy is weaker than hers when she gets that mission."

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T

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The current Knights of "The Breakfast Club":

Sir OrangeYoshi:
Sir Enewald:
Sir Beamed: "I need coffee."
Sir nsahn:
Sir blsteen:
Sir Malurous:
Sir quicksabre:
Sir Ahriman:
Sir To Be Named Later:

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Sir Beamed: "Further, I am of the opinion that Carthage should be destroyed." you're still here...? The IHOP closed hours ago...

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I believe I have said at least 4 times that I approve the invasion of Austrian Alps. :rolleyes:
I have corrected the error of my ways... Now about this NI... :D

T
 

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The list of strategic priorities is good, now to fulfill them.

I've already expressed an interest for National Trade Policy as the NI but Shrewd Commerce Practices is good as well. I could go either way, if you're leaning towards SCP then go for it!

Getting Serious About the Other Holy Land:

As I said earlier the idea of pushing on to Mecca, and possibly beyond, has a lot of good points. I say yes.

The Special French Combo Platter:

Now that Piedmont is under our protection and our attention (and BB) is needed elsewhere grabbing more land from France should not be our goal. I think France should be Balkanised in order to reduce their power if they are stupid enough to declare war on us again.
 

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Iiieaaa! Iiiaaaiiiooo! Whhhy!

Let's light up the sky. :cool:

EDIT: Oh, dear, perhaps I should choose music more fitting my persecution of you. Hrmm..

So tell me now, if this ain't love.. then how do we get out? 'Cause I don't know!

EDIT2: And, you know I'd go far lighter on you, but let's be serious: In your first IN game(or close to it), that old leAARning as Aquileia game, you crushed all opposition. You know the game at least as well as I - we need something to halt the juggernaut that is an ant which is raced.
 
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Iiieaaa! Iiiaaaiiiooo! Whhhy!
Let's light up the sky. :cool:
EDIT: Oh, dear, perhaps I should choose music more fitting my persecution of you. Hrmm..
So tell me now, if this ain't love.. then how do we get out? 'Cause I don't know!

They've got a good sound. Takes me back a generation or two... ;) After that I had to chill out a little. Seeing is I was in the way back machine...

Did you see my photograph
It was on page 10
I swore to everyone
I'm not to blame
I turned around and saw him hit the ground
A little earlier, it was a game
I'm so disposable
You can throw me away

I don't like to read the news
D'you know anything I'm going through...?

EDIT2: And, you know I'd go far lighter on you, but let's be serious: In your first IN game(or close to it), that old leAARning as Aquileia game, you crushed all opposition. You know the game at least as well as I - we need something to halt the juggernaut that is an ant which is raced.

:rofl: Hard to believe anyone even remembers that one. Sir Enewald scolded me in his first post... (he hasn't changed a bit, has he...?:p) I hope to get into India... I have a few things I'd like to pull from that AAR. A tribute to days gone by if you will.

And yeah, wasn't much to stop me but North Africa and 50% inflation... Good times. Good times.

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So what are the options for the NI?

Um... Any one that isn't the three we have... ;) I'm open to any suggestion so long as it has a logical foundation. National Trade Policy makes some sense...

If you're looking for my thoughts and/or suggestions, here's a list of possibles taken right from the file so you can see what the choices are...

>military drill = (army_tradition_decay = -1% & land_morale = +1)
>glorious arms = (leader_shock = +1 & prestige_from_land = +1%)
>shrewd commerce practise = (merchants = +1 & trade_efficiency = +10%)
>bureaucracy = (global_tax_modifier = +5% & build_cost = -5%)
>national trade_policy = (trade_efficiency = 10% & merchant_cost = -10%)
>divine supremacy = (missionaries = +5 & missionary_placement_chance = +10%)
>church attendance_duty = (stability_cost_modifier = -33% & global_tax_modifier = +5%)
>patron of art = (prestige = 2% & spy_efficiency = +10%)
>deus vult = (cb_on_religious_enemies = yes & stability_investment = +10)

Any favorites in there...? As a serious choice, they all have advantages. That's why I can't make up my mind... :D

...I've already expressed an interest for National Trade Policy as the NI but Shrewd Commerce Practices is good as well. I could go either way, if you're leaning towards SCP then go for it!...

I was kind of kidding kind of not... I really have alot to choose from that would be helpful, and for some reason the fit and intuition is drawing a blank this time around...

As I said earlier the idea of pushing on to Mecca, and possibly beyond, has a lot of good points. I say yes.

Engage...! I think this makes the most sense expansion wise at this point, both from an advantage for Milan, but also as a "let the AI nations that are doing well do even better in the hopes they stomp you in the end..."

Now that Piedmont is under our protection and our attention (and BB) is needed elsewhere grabbing more land from France should not be our goal. I think France should be Balkanised in order to reduce their power if they are stupid enough to declare war on us again.

I agree, Cosmopolitan should available later on, and France has taken up alot of time. I also think I'll wait just so I can take her on full strength again. Which should be about what... 5 days in...? :p

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Uh,(raises hand) with the reformation coming and possession of Judea and soon Mecca:D will the need for missionaries really be that pressing to use a slot now. I personally favour a trade NI or something wacky like Glorious Arms that will help smiting the non purplish peoples.
 

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1- The CoT provinces of Alexandria and Liguria.
If you take both of them you will get -30 competition so one of them. Liguria would be nice addition.

2- The connection from Istria to our Greek provinces along the coast.
That's what I want!

3- The opportune exploitation of the Otts to connect Judea.
After Hungary you should beat Ottomans. ;)

4- The acquisition of cultural provinces in Mam and Ott Land.
Accepted culture?

5- Commence actions along the Northern Med to beat Portugal to the punch.
Not needed now.

The slider move appears to be the move to Mercantile to take advantage of Monopolizing CoTs.

I support this after moving to mercantile you can take both CoT.

The NI move is still unclear.

What's cool events? Can you tell us?
 

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Again I triumph over the windy cold and make it home a little early. Dang it's cold.

Some thoughts on the NI decision...

military drill: Always helpful, but necessary with good tech? Maybe against France, but how deadly will she be from here on out? The decay would be the thing for me, Good Generals make the world go mine.

glorious arms: Leader Shock, the poor man's general in a can. Always a good thing. Prestige happens irregardless, and Jerusalem & Mecca would put me near even for loss, so it's not as important.

shrewd commerce practise: If I am to monopolize, extra merchants won't hurt. TE will roundabout raise compete and ducats.

From Random Events: It allows trigger of bad event Trading Company Disaster, -5% to global trade income (which effects trade good prices and CoT money). It also allows monopoly company formed, which is 300d or +%5 to global trade income. (Remember, trade good prices to market and CoT income, not the merchant income. It's actually a substantial increase.) Grant export licenses, which nets 1% tax or -1 aristocracy. Late game create a stock exchange.

From Idea events you got a shot at 5 merchants or a shot at a baddy for ducats plus. Some are triggered with an OR for Nat Trade Pol too.

bureaucracy: +5% global tax and -5% building cost is nothing to laugh at, especially coming into the manufactory, marketplace portion of our program.

national trade policy: Lower cost merchants is nothing here, as I get them cheap because I own the CoTs. TE @10% I can get with Shrewd along with a similar side benefit. Either of these are the same for Mercantile, really.

divine supremacy: The placement chance is huge for conversion. This idea will be very helpful for a short time during the reformation, and also for any expansions eastward. The 0.5 missionaries is a wash.

church attendance duty: If alot of STAB loss is anticipated, this works. If not, it's not needed... yet. With any significant expansion east, STAB costs will rise disproportionate to income, making the savings very useful. The 5% tax increase is the same as bureaucracy, making this a nice NI when you have need for STAB, like in BB war situations.

patron of (the) art(s): Who don't like PotA...? The spy eff helps too.

deus vult: Useful for expansion in Europe, but since we're shying away from Europe except for around the Med, I think we should not tie up a slot with this... yet. After 1650, things change. It may or may not be more beneficial then. And +10 to STAB never hurt anybody.

If I'm going to focus on monopolies, then Shrewd sounds good with the Merc slider move. If I'm going to focus on warring, Drill or Glorious Arms makes sense. Bureaucracy makes sense if I'm going to be building alot of infrastructure. It also makes sense if you want an NI that gives you a benefit, but not a really good one. It's an 'off suit' choice that doesn't really fit any agenda, it's just there.

Getting Serious About the Other Holy Land:
Sir quicksabre:If the opportunity presents itself, go for it!
As for the national idea, I think since the reformation is coming up Deus Vult or Divine Supremacy might be good picks?

I think the opportunity has already presented itself. Hedjaz is in no position to defend. The Otts are at war already, so I'd be stepping on toes. Castille and France are in no position to fight... Yet. It's a better target than Portugal or North Africa right now. Really it's just a matter of when.

Love the Sig BTW...! :D

Uh,(raises hand) with the reformation coming and possession of Judea and soon Mecca:D will the need for missionaries really be that pressing to use a slot now. I personally favour a trade NI or something wacky like Glorious Arms that will help smiting the non purplish peoples.

I would tend to agree with this sentiment, though as outlined above, there are a few non traditional choices too.

If you take both of them you will get -30 competition so one of them. Liguria would be nice addition.
We have a Core on Liguria... No penalty ;) (BB savings too...!!!)

(on connecting through Illyrian lands): That's what I want!
This seems to be a consensus opinion, and I have adjusted the strategic initiatives accordingly... :)

After Hungary you should beat Ottomans. ;)
Once England and Portugal are done. Pray they don't take any provinces in the peace deal...

Accepted culture?
We still have a shot at Turkish and Al Da jibber jabber if I take them and let them core... but it's a bit touch and go at the moment thanks to France DoWing us.

(Northern Med): Not needed now.
But we can take Tripoli and some of Algiers unmolested if we act fast(er) than Portugal...

I support this after moving to mercantile you can take both CoT.
You know me. They're CoTs. As Daffy Duck said, "They're mine. Mine mine mine mine mine mine...!"

What's cool events? Can you tell us?
I broke it down above for you. I was kindof kidding, but there are a few good ones. The bad ones can make a nice headache for you though...

T