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@Sir blsteen: Thank You sir, and bite them I shall... :)

@Sir Enewald: I see your two edged sword is sharp as ever... :D

@Sir Beamed: Yes, except for the patches. Well, actually, maybe they're they are the same. Their patches were horse shite too... Or Left, you could have a snack... ;)

Three of Milan's finest warriors together at once...?

This calls for an update...!

In 3... 2... 1...
 

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Chapter 15: Bad Boy Bad Boy, What You gonna do...?​

Spend alot of time waiting for you... That's what. Waiting for it to cool out, chill, take a load off. At least 5 points.

So, just where are we anyways...?

I'm the King... I need to know these things.

I had a list somewhere.

I know I did.

Let's see, where did I put that list...?

Oh, here it is:

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Crap... I forgot to feed the dog again...!

I begin the day making my way down to the Kingly office. I took the back way down as usual, I hate the crowds that gather in the hall. They all want something all the time. It would be nice some day to just have someone stop in for a visit, you know...? Someone who isn't your mother anyways.

I spotted Henri the Guard at the end of the hallway, the place he has stood for nearly 10 years now, or so he says.

"Henri... How's the family"

"Very good, my Liege"

"So who won last night...?"

"That would be the Hawks Sire, three to one."

Henri had a smile on his face. No doubt he'd won a little spending money on the game... "By the looks of it you made out quite well." I remarked.

"Indeed, Sire. I've almost enough now."

"Hopefully you're still some time away..." I said. "Can't have my favorite Guard leaving quite yet."

Henri smiled. "It'll take some time yet, sire. I'll see to that."

I smiled in spite of myself. I had no idea what Henri had done to deserve the back alley posting, but he was one of the most decent human beings I had ever had the pleasure to meet. One didn't get to meet too many of these in the Palace, as most were there simply to plead, beg or extort whatever they could get. The castle would be a cold place indeed when he was gone.

"What's the crowd like this morning..."

"Antsy Sire, and there's a herald from the front in Bavaria with news of the battles. They've been prodding him all morning to let it out, but he refuses to tell..."

"Hmmm. Good news or bad you think..."

"Herald's name is Harold, Sire. We went through training together. He was guard here for awhile, but didn't like all the standing around. By the looks of him I'd say the news was good."

Henri let out the smallest of grins. In the past, the Captains of the Guard had crushed any displays of emotion in their men. I can tell you I didn't like it a bit. It made them harder to read...

I smiled back and placed a hand on his shoulder. "Thank You Henri. Care to escort me in...?"

Henri started a bit. Normally a page would fetch the Hall Guards who would escort me to the office. Not today. In fact, not any day from now on if I had anything to say about it. And I did.

"Um, yes Sire. Would you want me to fetch a second guard ? It's proper to enter the hall with two, Sire."

"You have someone in mind...?"

"Well, no sire, not really. I've been standing this post for so long, I hardly know any of the others."

"Then we'll just go like this" I said, not wanting to stand around for while waiting, and also not wanting to have to deal with whatever the Captain of the Guard sent to accompany us.

"Yes, Sire." Henri straightened up, and motioned to the page standing ready. "Go on ahead boy, let them know we're coming."

Another face lit up, and the excited boy ran ahead, nearly screaming as he went to make way for the King. Another small smile crept across Henri's face as he watched him go. I let it lay for today, but I wondered if the boy had been stuck here as Henri had been. Stowed away in some back hall in the places of least importance.

Upon entering the office, I called for the Herald. If there was news, I wanted to hear it.

As it turns out, Henri was right, and good news it was:

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I called my advisors in to discuss the situation. We had completed or efforts against the Bavarian forces, and were now settling in to siege their lands. The main CAV army then broke from these engagements and rode south, where they would meet up with the forces trying to break the Ferarran defenders. Also, an INF column was making it's way south to help finish the enemy in Naples.

A scant week later, Bavaria sent an emissary with a peace. He was sent back as empty handed as his white peace proposal had been.

Word reached us of the King of England gone mad as he sent Aragon a sixth excommunication letter.

While things outside the Castle walls were going well enough, inside they were not. I had put it off for some time, but the pot was boiling over, and I needed to settle some things here. I had wanted to see how the Captain of the Guard would handle my comings and goings, and how he would handle Henri.

I was happy with neither of his decisions.

Shortly after my grand entrance, I found two guards posted at the hallway door, who then insisted they escort me to the office. I also found a new Herald, well actually the old herald, just in a new place. I had been so busy with the war that I had not had time to take care of this, but I missed my morning chats, and I missed the look in the eyes of those who thought themselves lost suddenly finding purpose and meaning again.

Jeanne Du Mont walked with air of superiority seldom seen in men. It was as if his feet were too good for the very floor he walked on. It was enough to tell me I hated the man already... However duty and honor required I hear him out, though my ears already loathed the sound of his voice before he spoke a word.

"My Lord" Du Mont removed his hat and bowed with sweeping hand and plume floating and so full of regalia... Well, full of something anyways. Pomp and Circumstance be damned. How anyone could think this puffery was doing anyone any good was beyond me.

"Thank You for seeing me Sire. I realize you have been very busy with the wars, and I applaud you for your victories. May I sit...?"

I gave him a quick nod, though I thought the fact of him standing before me might be more appropriate. He may be a fluff, but he at least had the sense to be direct and ask.

Having placed his hat on the chair next to him, Du Mont sat forward and began:

"My Lord, I need to speak with you regarding your entrance into the main hall, and the manner in which my men should accompany you to this office."

Did he just say my men...? I thought to myself...

"As you know, Sire, it is my job to protect the King from any who would think to harm you, or even kill you as you enter the great hall. It is my task to ensure you are safe at all times, and that you travel the halls in the safest manner possible. It is a job I take very seriously, hence my urgent desire to speak with you about these matters."

I gave him a slight smile. I don't know why. His voice was fluttering as he almost sang his words. I'm sure the ladies found it delightful... I found it irritating as...

"Mssr. Du Mont. I must say I appreciate your candor, and your commitment." It's true, I couldn't fault the man for wanting to do his job. "However, as you can see, I prefer things to be a bit... Simpler than you're used too."

Du Mont made a move to speak, but I raised a hand and cut him off. I had no desire at all to be pandered to with the same thoughts wrapped in different words.

"Where is Henri...?" I asked.

"He has been reassigned, My Lord."

"That much is obvious, even to a King, Mssr. Du Mont. I want to know where he has been reassigned too."

"He is currently guarding the King's stables, Sire." Du Mont had the look of sudden realization. It pleased me to see that he understood the situation. But as I got ready to let him know what he now realized, he spoke quickly:

"If it please my Lord, I can have him brought back to his former post..."

Well give him an 'A' for effort. But not quite what I had in mind.

"I want Henri assigned to me, as my personal guard. And I want the page that was assigned to him as well. They are both to report to me, in this office."

Du Mont held himself for a time, and then nodded. "Yes, my Liege." I will have them report in the morning..."

"Now. You will go yourself, personally. You will tell them, and then you will escort them here. Personally. Make sure nothing happens to them."

"Yes, Sire..." Du Mont cast his gaze downwards, his hands and face belying the many questions and scenarios that had suddenly come to life within him.

"Mssr. Du Mont... Calm yourself. I have no desire to replace you..."

Yet.

"You are a man committed to your task, anyone can see this. Perhaps with time we can do something about all that ceremony I detest so much."

Du Mont straightened up and cleared his head. "Yes, Sire. Thank You."

"Dismissed."

Du Mont went to provide me with the experience of another swooning farewell but stopped. He bowed slightly, tipped his hat and left quickly.

Much better. Du Mont, there's hope for you yet.

My new herald announced the news...:

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Another province down, and another attempt by our enemies to get out without losing.

A scant few weeks after he has even more good news:

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It's going to hurt, especially if I have to suffer through the Jonas Brothers, but Ferarra will be no more soon.

Ferarra immediately begs for peace, offering 88d and a renouncing of their claim on Modena, but that's not going to cut it boys, sorry.

Oh, and England EXC'd Aragon again.

More good news in May:

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One to go... And England... Well you know.

With Ferarra's Navy having no place to go, I find it a good time to exercise mine...:

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Bavaria is fighting a hopeless battle and The Palatinate is on the ropes. However things in Naples aren't faring so well. Had I this to do over again, I would have pulled more troops there instead of heading north into the HRE's lands. As it is, I end up losing out on a golden opportunity...

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As the rest of the year unfolds, I rack up victories across the board, eliminating the main HRE army and trading tit for tat with the Armies of Naples.

Finally some real news:

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The area just north of the Kingdom officially becomes a mop up operation.

The area to the south, not so much:

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Ugh. The only hope I have now is the Otts don't take it in the peace deal. The fact they annexed Achea in the same war doesn't make it seem likely though.

At this time, I have no real objectives left in Naples, unless the Otts let go, so even though I continue there, they have no cash and I can't afford the BB to take anything else. All of my BB room is going to go to Ferarra and Bavaria. Brandenburg is a non factor, except that their being rather prickish. They keep sending me demands for peace. I am not giving you money, nor am I turning any vassals loose, so go back to your holes and cry. And shut up and leave me alone while you're at it or I'll come up there and take anything I can get from you.

From the 'Hey Christmas came really early' Dept:

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Um... Duh. No choice there but the one that says 'hell yeah...!'

From there it's a really weird stream of pop ups...

England EXC's Aragon; We win the siege of Napoli.

England EXC's Aragon; We win the siege of Franken.

England EXC's Aragon; We win the Siege of Pfalz.

I decide to break up the pattern, just for my own sanity, by making a peace deal with the reigning HRE. Making him a Vassal costs too much, but I do manage a nice deal out of it:

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That'll help quite a bit thankyou.

Which is a really good thing, as it turns out. For April Fool's day in 1446, I get a rather nasty event... Monetary Reforms. My choices are gain 3 inflation or lose two STAB. The STAB loss comes with a bonus 4 star MoM, which I could actually use... And the thought of giving back the three inflation I just got rid of a little while ago galls me, so it's the -2 STAB and MoM.

I say good by to my Philosopher, giving him a nice settlement and the nicest fruit basket you've ever seen to thank him for all the luck he brought.

Then I go about setting up the budget now that I can actually afford to dump the rest of this inflation.

And then England did it again. And then, just to break up the monotony she declared a crusade on Algiers. Which works out really nice for her ally Portugal, who happens to be really close to them...

Brandenburg continues to taunt and flaunt, so I hire me a shiny new General, put together an army or three and head north to go ducat hunting.

Should have just shut yer trap when you had the chance.

In September I get my first STAB level back, and I feel all warm and fuzzy about building those Temples.

October starts off with a very welcomed event:

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The other option allows for the possibility of 3 BB off, but -2 STAB is one of the possibilities also. I take the safe route and be thankful for even losing one. As it is, I get the 20% chance -2...! It's a happy day as I check my BB and find I am now at 20.08 out of 31.00. That's a clear 8 BB to work with for Ferarra and Bavaria. Almost enough...

I let it ride a little bit and then go ahead with the annex on Ferarra. I could leave her sit, could have vassalized her... But I already have centralization issues coming up with the Papal State and don't want to mess with it. With BB I just have to sit still. With Decentral I get hogtied in budget land coming into workshop season. I'd rather not have to play with the budget.

It isn't long before that last province in Naples falls into my hand. Almost on cue, the Ottomans realize there's nothing more to be had and peace out of their conflict:

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What's worse is they took the last 55d Naples had accrued before losing her money making abilities. As I said, nothing here for me now. I wasn't aggressive enough down here, and I payed the price for it.

To add insult to injury, my new mission is "To make Trier vote for us"... Yeah. They only hate me ALOT. That should be easy to make happen. Not. Cancel.

"Improve relations with Genoa". Yeah again...! They only hate me more than Trier does...! Yeah...!

As for Naples, I do the only thing I can do with them. I make them a Vassal. No sense leaving the door open for the Otts to come back. Now if they have any Italian aspirations, they get to deal with me.

February, 1447. My STAB returns to three, and the only battles are on the northern front. By the end of the year, Brandenburg proper and Neumark are mine, and I make Trade Tech Level 7.

As 1448 rolls around, I have Brandenburg firmly in my grasp, her lone army standing in Mecklenburg unable to do anything but watch their lands disappear. As Pottsdam falls on the 2nd of January, my first General retires to the great battle in the sky. He is replaced by my second hire, Luchino "Lucky" Paradisi...

1448 turns out to be a pivotal time for England... They offer me an alliance, which I decline. They have only Portugal with them, and France has alot more. They also annex Scotland...

April sees another 4 Temples built, another 20 off future STAB I know I'll use. After rejecting another ridiculous Brandenburg peace offer, and seeing the Palatinate re elected as HRE, I get news of the of the last province I need to take, Ruppin.

I waste no time, peacing out Brandenburg for a healthy 1,164 ducats, which they accept very quickly.

I then turn my attention to my prizes...:

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How sweet it is when they give their seal of approval to the deal...:

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I come away with a BB of 27.93... Just under the hard cap.

As I round out the last year, I get a two star Treasurer advisor in Schwaben. Having a ruler with the goods, I decide to trade in my 25 year veteran Government Tech Statesman, as I'm still way ahead of schedule there. He's at the age when you never know, and given what's been available and what's been popping, I feel it's a good time to take that 3% national tax boost now. Granted it's a bit of a gamble, but it's the only place I can afford to lose a guy. His +10 to Production Tech is a help too... I need those workshops.

Having nothing to do, and all kinds of money to do it with, I decide to give the Otts a little present... Or two:

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Well, actually I only paid for one... For now.

I also figure while I've got the time, prestige and money I'll set up a Hiring Fair. I even splurge the extra 100 ducats for a government focused fair. I need me a good Diplomat...

Land Tech 7 accompanies a laundry list of veritable useless advisors. Colonial Governors, a High Judge, A 3rd rate Philosopher, A 'Grand' Admiral, An Ambassador, An Army Organizer. The lone double take in the whole lot is a 6 star Philosopher. Were I in better BB straights I may have even taken him, but in the condition I find myself in, I can't take the plunge and watch wistfully out the window as he leaves town.

It turns out it's the last action of the term as the slider icon pops and the clock strikes 1450.

While the Hiring Fair was a bust, I do have a high note to end the session on...

I have cores on both Firenze and München.

Guess who's allied...?

Sounds like a very sweet set up to me. Just have to hope I can get enough BB out of the way to take advantage of it.

State of the Kingdom Address is next.

Till then...!

T
 

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Mutapa didn't like you? :rofl:
Ottomans succeeded in their Italian ambitions, quite rare to see that.
Firenze and München?
Go get them! :cool:

Have you thought of standardising the strengths of your armies? :rolleyes:
 

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@Sir Enewald: :D The other option would give me -30 relations with Korea... I've never seen that event go off continent, especially with the TPI still there. It was kind of odd.

My armies will stay this way until Land 14 or 15. Even then I prefer them like this as I find this arrangement to work well for attrition too. Once ART becomes useful, I mix and match more. I also have them split from sieging in the pics, come peace time I tend to gather them all back up together. So I guess that's a definitive maybe...?

@enkhuush: If they do it's good for me. They have to bring a goodly sized army over, which means they don't have those men on the mainland... Should anyone get ambitious, it forces them to choose defending home or defending Apulia. I'd love nothing more than an ambitious rival to take a chunk of the Otts home for the holidays.

And should they decide to get nasty, it makes it a nice divide and conquer for me... :D

Glad you stopped by again... :cool:

@Sir blsteen: The thoughts of taking my two cores are burning a hole in my scabbard...

All the Otts did is tick me off. So badly that I am seriously thinking of weaseling in on Thrace and giving them a reason to hate me even more.

I honestly don't know what the Mams are up to. This has got to be one of the oddest games for them yet...

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Armata di Schwaben is a jerk. :mad:

How would you gauge the Ottomans' power relative to yours? Is it worth Apulia? Is it worth Italy? Is it worth the complete subjugation of the Turk.. days after Turkey Day?
 

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Good going against Bavaria.

And from the last update...

'And all of this rhyming, well it's just...'

'Silly.'

...good job on keeping me amused ;)
 

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@Sir Beamed: The Otts are near me power wise, as you'll see in the SoftK. The problem I have is the spread. I'm fully confident I can take the Otts no problem, but France and Burgundy have been very active. I would be reluctant to engage in any war that required me to leave the home land defenseless.

That's why I'm pushing Rebs in Apulia now. If I can make the Otts think it's too expensive to worry about, it will defect from them. If they choose to hang on to it they have to split their forces, making them vulnerable to their neighbors deciding now is a good time to feast on Ottomans.

Either way I win out.

I'm weighing the cost of keeping Thrace at the moment... If I can hold that province against the collective 35K might of the Otts advance, I'll find a way to take it. I have the Navy for it already...

@Iain Wilson: I thank you sir. It's nice to see you're enjoying yourself. My humor tends to be a little 'off', so it's nice to find people who 'get' it. :D

SoftK is up next in 3... 2... 1...
 

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State of the Kingdom Address for the Year of our Lord, 1450:​

Friends, Countrymen, Knights... and Ladies...

It has been a prosperous time for our beloved Milan. Though we have been unable to fulfill our Destiny, we have managed to be successful none the less.

Our people are fed and content, and our Armies victorious.

As we enter this new era of Milanese history, plans are already being made to give the people more than just a King. In a short time, the People of Milan will have a true voice in the governing of our great nation. I am proud to be the man that will usher in this historic initiative to turn the governing of Milan over to an elected group of leaders. It is my sincerest hope that I will be able to be the first elected leader, but that will be up to you, the people to decide.

As many of you know, there are people who rightfully belong here with us today, but that are not able to join us because they are still being held by foreign Kings.

Bavaria continues to occupy lands that are rightfully ours. We have waged a great campaign against them, and the time of Bavarian control of Milanese lands is nearing it's end.

In addition to this, our historians, along with members of the Popes own personal staff have uncovered documents and treaties that show the lands of Tuscany are also part of the heritage and history of Milan. We have had preliminary dialog with the Tuscanese government, but no accord could be reached that was satisfactory.

These lands have been held from Milan for long enough. It is both my honor and my sworn duty to return these lands to the Kingdom of Milan, where they so rightfully belong.

Lastly, as I speak with you this day. We look to the East... To a jewel among thorns. The Ottoman Empire has thwarted us in Apulia, taking what was rightfully ours. They now claim to set their sights on the lands of Thrace, last vestiges of the Byzantine Empire. It is my contention that we take this place from them as they have taken from us.

This is a most perilous mission. One that must be weighed carefully. If we are successful, those that are in that city will have to hold against the fury and wrath of the entire Ottoman Empire. No small task, not even for the likes of Milan.

Pray to God for wisdom in this time. Pray to Him for safety, and for a swift end to the conflicts we must take part in. Pray to Him for strength and wisdom... For he has called upon us to be his right hand of vengeance upon the heathen world.

To all the valiant men of Milan... I salute you...!

The following information is posted in the Great Hall, and is available for viewing Monday thru Friday from sun up to sun down:

Our beloved land of Milan:

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The Northern Border Regions:

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The Eastern Border Regions:

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The South-Eastern Border Regions:

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The Southern Border Regions:

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We polled the King and asked: "What are the main countries of interest in the upcoming campaign...?" The top three answers:

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With respect to the Kingdom itself...

The Current Governmental Status:

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The Current Financial Status:

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The Current Armed Forces Information:

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Individual Breakdowns of the Kingdom Statistics...

The GNP of Milan vs Select Other Nations:

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A nice piece of Pie:

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The Technological Breakdown of Milan vs Select Other Nations:

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The Current Armed Forces and Capacities of Milan vs Select Other Nations:

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The Current Naval Forces and Capacities of Milan vs Select Other Nations:

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The Current Center of Trade Situation for Milan:

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The current Territorial Map showing all known territories of Milan and All Other Nations:

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So there you have it.

Open Mic Night is now open. Let the world know what you think and where you want Milan to go next.

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Firstly, you need a few big ships to stiffen up that galley fleet to inflict maximum pain on the Otto's or Mam's or French for that matter. You're number one in income without cores popping so when they do va va vooooooom! I'm leaning towards Thrace as the next target, plus, as an aside, who owns Corfu? But it all depends on the Otto's and where they're at. If they're circling Thrace like vultures you won't want to leave anything in it to hold it but if they're spread out an all cav force could play pop the weasel and pick off smaller Otto stacks while leaving the navy a port to find, fix and hopefully sink the Otto naval force then blockade. It would cost the WE to have a province occupied but might be worthwhile to have them occupied :D on the wrong side of the strait and block it:). But then it all comes back to naval superiority and how many men you're willing to risk in a venture far from home.:eek:
 

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Updated Strategic Initiatives... 1450 Edition

The winds of change are blowing through Milan these days. Between Brain Fades, Uncooperative Targets and Odd Opportunities we have managed to go the wrong direction, forget about the Papal State and leave a near comatose Mamluk Nation alone.

We also have some new directions laid out before us like breadcrumbs, calling like the sirens of old, daring us to venture into the rocks. Some of them dare us into the death of Bad Boy, some into the jaws of the crazy Otts, renowned for their tenacity.

Our relationship with the Papal State has recovered to the point of annexation possible again. We have a new Vassal in Naples, currently three provinces... If she becomes four...? Maybe we don't want her that strong.

Looming on the horizon is our first major change. With Govt Tech nearly half done and still 5 years ahead, it will become nearly complete when the penalties are removed. This will enable us to go Noble Republic, ushering in the a new era for Milan.

It looks to be an interesting time indeed...

So... Where to begin...?

How about with the obvious...?


Obvious things that should be done this time around:

So, with relations and status now repaired, we can again enforce our will on the poor Pope. It's about time we settle this one.

The Pope... Annexation and you:

Annex The Pope and Make Him Move: quicksabre, Malurous, Sir nsahn, antacer

Keep the Pope 'On a Rope' as a Vassal: Sir Enewald, Sir blsteen, quicksabre

Sir Enewald: Keep the Pope 'On a Rope' as a Vassal: Keep him still as a vassal. Rome is a dirty place. And better to keep the pope close in a leash then let him work against you in some distant land.

I want to get this done with and Annex him. With Naples as a much better (and bigger) Vassal and Ally the Pope is less important. I can still go after him when he moves and vassalize him again. Which I may stipulate as required...

Grand Centralization:

IF we annex the Papal Estate, the next slider move should be to centralization to make up for the diplo annex, so we don't lose any ground.

IF we choose to keep the Pope as a Vassalized Ally, Then we have an opportunity to burn a move on Aristocracy, for to help our CAV situation. We are currently paying a little more for our Land forces because of our current slider positions, and the shock bonus won't hurt a bit.

There's no change here. Annex the Pope, we need to recover the Centralization.

Taking down the Bavarian Tuscany Alliance:

As soon as BB allows. Both are cores. IIRC, that means no extra BB for the annex, so they should be 5 apiece...? Unless someone happens to take them first...

STOP Getting serious about taking the Holy Land:

We have two options depending on how we can get into it and how committed we have to be. I personally want to hold off at first and see if the Mams start collapsing again, or if they get into it with another large nation again. In other words, I'd like to kick her when she's down to minimize the forces I have to dedicate to an invasion.

We also have to identify the targets. Do we start with Alexandria to take the COT, to bring it along to core sooner...? Or do we go after Jerusalem for the missionary and prestige bonus...?

Ideally, as has been suggested by blsteen, we will need a good sized chunk of real estate. He suggests taking the center out of the country and splitting them in half.

Take Alexandria: quicksabre, Malurous, Sir nsahn, antracer
Take Jerusalem: Sir blsteen

A great idea that is thwarted by a nearly comatose Mam behavior. Until the Mams get involved and provide an opportunity, we are basically in a holding pattern until such time as we no longer need it.

Thrace: Potential COT Site and Important Land Bridge...

To put it bluntly... The Otts ticked me off. Apulia was one of those things I don't forget, and taking Thrace becomes a firebrand in my mind. However, this is something you don't just haul off and do. It requires a bit of planning and forethought. Without it, you can have the toughest foreskin there is, but you'll still lose it.

Sir nsahn was patently against it, but with developments (or lack there of) in the Mamluk situation and with advances in our abilities perhaps he could be persuaded...? ;)

Sir Enewald: Take Thrace and also possibly Edirne and Burgas. You must not let the Ottomans gain a stronger presence in Europe. Maybe a crusade against them?

Sir blsteen brings up a few points. The Navy, which should be no problem to implement the building of a few big ships to Augment the fleet. Also the nature of the Otts themselves.

Sir Beamed asks about the relative power difference, and whether subjugating the Turks days after Turkey day is appropriate...

Well, here's the situation with a tentative strategic breakdown:

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Taking Thrace is not the issue. It's defending against the Ottomans should they take exception. Best case scenario the Otts allies (the GH among them) decide against following the leader. Worst case it's me against the middle eastern world.

By the Numbers:

-1 and 2 will be imperative to hold for the navy. I cannot allow the Otts free access across the straights, nor can I allow GH ships to get out of the sea.
-I will however allow access at 3...
-This is so I can station a decent army at 4 and pick off any attempts to come by land. It will be easy if the province is still in enemy hands, as they'll stop and siege momentarily. Every little bit of moral they waste... I also can see the allies trying to use it as 'back door' if you will. Having a single defensive position that I can back up is easier to defend than a line of provinces.
-Position 5 is where I hope to bottle neck the Ottoman forces. This will make them have to use amphibious tactics to use the men at all against anything but Thrace itself. If they have a 50/50 split, it means holding Thrace against appx 20K, give or take. That's (almost) doable. Especially if I can get a defensive advisor, or a good general to stand there.
-On the other front is 6, where allies would gather from the east and from the GH. A decent stack and the ability to scorch and run if needed is well within the realm of possible. Probably the easiest defensible position I have.
-Thrace itself, 7, will need at least 15K, if not 20 to hold. Mostly INF for the defensive bonus with a good 6K to 8K CAV to hold the flanks. I also need a transport flotilla in the blockades should they get over run.
-At position 8 is the price of fear. France and Burgundy, both aggressive and both getting a little too close for comfort. Both are embargoing me, both have relations with me in the toilet, and both would jump at the chance to take me down if I got overly committed against the Otts.

All of this is strictly defensive. Until I can secure Thrace and have the majority of the Otts gone and have their allies peaced out, offensive maneuvers will be at a minimum. After that however, the Greek side of the nation is up for grabs, with control of the Straight the priority in provinces for peace.

So that's Thrace and the Otts in a nutshell. Anybody got any other thoughts...?


Becoming a Grand Republic:

We will reach Government 10 this round, barring anything huge and freaky happening. (It could, you never know...) That means we'll be endorsing Noble Republic as our government type. Going Republic was a done deal, and there were better arguments for Noble than for Merchant. I will change right after the next slider move, so it'll be 24 years from now, unless we get Govt 10 within a year or two.

Things That Are Still To Be Decided:

Forming Italy and turning Pukey Green vs Retaining Our Purple(ish) Milanese Heritage:

Go Italian: Rabid, Devilmay, Iain Wilson, kfijatass, sjones25

Go Milano: Sir (I'm still staying for Milan) Enewald, marty99, Sir Beamed, urdh, enkhuush, SolisDF, Sir OrangeYoshi, Malurous, antracer

Go For Some Other Unified Country: quicksabre, Sir nsahn

Getting the core event on Tuscany and having Roma ready to annex brings this question to the fore... If we do these within the 12 years we have this go around, that will mean a core on Roma circa 1500... BY then Ferarra will have cored and we will have met the conditions for the decision.

Protestant bound:

Go PRO: quicksabre, Rabid, Sir OrangeYoshi (game play points to PRO all the way...), Sir nsahn, Sir blsteen, antracer

Stay Cathy: kfijatass, marty99, urdh, Throne

Be the REF: Sir Beamed, enkhuush, Sir Enewald, Malurous

Sir Enewald: I could change my vote back to PRO if there would be enough protestant provinces in Milan, including the capital.

Still 150 years or so for this one... I believe it will come down to which way the provinces fall. If we get a majority of one or the other, we'll lean that direction... ???

The Long Range Forecast: Other Stuff We Get To Decide On Too

Cultural Significance: Should we pursue accepted cultures as an objective?:

I'd like some feedback on this one...

As suggested by Sir nsahn: "Culture goals for antracer: Lombard, Umbrian, Sicilian ( these two will become accepted when you form Italy), Austrian, Greek, and Turkish (I don't think you will be able to get anymore than this)."

Updated per Sir nsahn: Yes (of course): However, here is a list of updated culture goals: Austrian (in the bag), Umbrian (if you want to really restrain yourself for the next few years), Bavarian (there are many rich Bavarian provinces) (will also be cool for a Republic of Lombardia, formed of the Alps and hinterlands), Greek (it may look difficult now, but it is the wealthiest culture east of Italy in the Mediterranean), al Misr Arabic (if you go for Alexandria, however I haven't done any calculations on this one), etc. Cultures that have no chance: Croatian, all Slavics, and Sicilian.

quicksabre: "I really like this idea, too. If you think you can do full accepted cultures at games end I'd like to see it, but I'm not sure you can and the AAR might get a bit boring as you micromanage cores and release vassals to get your income right... like your idea, too. It fits really well with my 'national identity' thing, to own all of all cultures that you own."-this is a legitimate concern. I would never want to be boring. I leave that for cheese. T

Sir Enewald: Cultures are not important, sooner or later everyone shall speak Milanese.

I still actually like this idea. I don't know that I can limit everything to accepted culture or not, but having a majority? Making a stipulation that I must take all provinces of a specific culture if I take one...? As an alternative to mindless conquest, this seems a plausible, albeit difficult goal.

Taking Japan as the end game:

Suggested by sjones25, as an alternative to the standard fare. He writes: "I say you should forget France, Europe, and the Americas. Go down through Greece and fight off the Ottomans then beat up the Mamalukes and take Judea and Mecca (because you'll get Rome eventually, and having all 3 would just be cool. You might not use them much, but it be fun to take them all). Then head off to the Timruids (if they're still around), India and East Asia! The end goal would be to conquer Japan!"

Malurous: "...I kind of like this idea. Anyway, anything that differs from the "take Europe and colonize America" approach for a European nation."

Sir nsahn: Yes Japan: Fits in well with an island theme. Though by the end-game I don't think it will be much of a challenge.

Sir Enewald: Why take Japan? Let it be discussed later...

I continue to think this is a worthy end game goal, especially now as the game continues to push us in the wrong direction... ;)

Austria: There's GOLD in them there hills.

Sir nsahn writes..."Go for Austria sometime down the road. You will certainly have it as an accepted culture when Gorz cores and could possibly have Austrian remain an accepted culture for the rest of the game (also think of the gold)."

Sir Enewald: All your gold are belong to us!

Given the propensity of the opportunities, this may become a reality sooner rather than later.

Trading Ideology:

Mercantile: Sir Enewald, quicksabre, Rabid, Sir OrangeYoshi, enkhuush, Sir nsahn, Malurous, antracer
Free Trade: kfijatass

quicksabre says "You have to go merc"...

Sounds settled to me...

Mediterranean Empire or Colonizing Force:

Med Empire: quicksabre, kfijatass, Sir Beamed, sjones25, Malurous
Colonizer...: Rabid
Both of 'em: Sir Enewald, marty99, Sir blsteen, Sir OrangeYoshi, enkhuush
Womanizer: Sir nsahn
Island Specific: Sir nsahn, antracer*

*Limited to the islands of the St Martin area and some in the Indian Ocean area.

Land or Naval:

Land: quicksabre, kfijatass,OrangeYoshi
Naval: Rabid, Sir nsahn (+1 or +2, just to give the colonies a boost...)
Balanced: Sir Enewald, enkhuush (One slider movement to land.), Malurous, antracer

When to have to engage France:

Early: Sir Enewald, Sir nsahn
Late: kfijatass
If at all: Rabid, Sir OrangeYoshi, sjones25
Whenever they make it necessary: Malurous, antracer
Make all Cosmopolitan provinces a Latin culture!: Sir Beamed
Ignore them for now...!: enkhuush

I think this one is going to get answered for us, and maybe sooner rather than later... I am thinking of trying to get on Burgundy's good side and forming an alliance. At least then I'd have a decent backup to fight them with. Could also use Castille. I don't want to use England as I'll get dragged in at all the wrong times and far too often... Unless they make some significant headway.

No New World:

Yes New World: Sir Enewald, Rabid, , marty99, blsteen, enkhuush
No New World: kfijatass, quicksabre, Sir OrangeYoshi, sjones25, Malurous,
Only Islands: Sir nsahn, antracer

Malurous: "No New World. As I stated, we've all seen it and done it enough times. If Yes New World, I trust you to make updates consisting of something else than colony spam fest." -at least the SPAM would go good with the cheese... T

Sir nsahn: Yes New World: I agree with Malurous that this can be boring. Which is why I suggest only the Caribbean islands; and not just only but all the Caribbean islands. Ouch... Wonder who this will mean going to war with...

Can't touch Portugal:

Leave her be: kfijatass, Malurous
Just Watch Me: Sir Enewald
Better Earlier: Sir nsahn
Not Until Late: -none-
Just Colonies: Rabid, antracer
You allow to exist...? (ie; destroy... destroy...): enkhuush
Forget them completely: sjones25

Sir Enewald: Stop! Time to hammer Portugal! And we can touch them!

Portugal is actually expanding quite well. it may be necessary to remove some of her teeth before this is over... That and if the all Caribbean islands become approved I imagine we'll have more than a few run ins.

The corniness of the AAR:

Appreciating it: marty99 :cool:
Let's see what happens: enkhuush
Don't Care: The rest of the world
Has Never thought it Corny: Malurous
It's Delicious: The one who has to eat his words...
After WC maybe. Or when I get elected to eternal dictatorship. Sir Enewald

Definite play day Friday... Possibly another one earlier...

T
 

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Firstly, you need a few big ships to stiffen up that galley fleet to inflict maximum pain on the Otto's or Mam's or French for that matter. You're number one in income without cores popping so when they do va va vooooooom!

You noticed that too...? Treviso should go first, then Görz (and the other Aquileian provinces) should core in 1453. That alone will be a nice shot in the arm. I can't wait to see the jump in EOY taxes...

I'm leaning towards Thrace as the next target, plus, as an aside, who owns Corfu? But it all depends on the Otto's and where they're at. If they're circling Thrace like vultures you won't want to leave anything in it to hold it but if they're spread out an all cav force could play pop the weasel and pick off smaller Otto stacks while leaving the navy a port to find, fix and hopefully sink the Otto naval force then blockade. It would cost the WE to have a province occupied but might be worthwhile to have them occupied :D on the wrong side of the strait and block it:). But then it all comes back to naval superiority and how many men you're willing to risk in a venture far from home.:eek:

Corfu is Corfu I believe, from when I forced them from Venetian hands. Can't believe the Otts went after Naples and left Corfu alone. They may regret that decision if they don't secure access or don't go in and take them. I'm wondering if a GTY on them after taking Thrace might not be a prudent 'in your face' move... :D

The defense of Thrace would be hard indeed... However I have a bunch of cash and 26 regiments I can build without going over the cap. Timed with the cores popping to afford to carry them, if ever there was a time to press the advantage, I believe it's now. I mean how much better could it be at this time in the game...? About the only thing that would make it better would be for the Timurids or some other eastern foe to come knocking on the door first. Get them all tied up on the eastern front and go for it.

The hardest part will be finding the 6 BB I need to take Thrace in the beginning to get it all started. With Bavaria and Tuscany, that'll make a total of 16 BB I need to find in 12 years without a single Diplomat. Ugh.

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My vote for Al Iskandryah. ;)
Go first for Romaion.
Then take the provinces needed to stop the Ottomans from passing freely between Europe and Asia; Edirne. ;)
 

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Regarding the Ottomans:
- There is no way you can take Edirne without considerable time and BB; Edirne is OE capital (though I thnk Enewald was just pulling your leg).
- Don't annex Thrace yourself: Guarantee the Byzantines and then take Thrace in the ensuing war with the OE. I only recommend this if the OE decision, 'Move capital to Constantinople,' is only available during peacetime; i.e., make sure you take Thrace in the first war so they are not able to move their capital there immediately after peace. This is best since you need all the BB reduction you can spare for Munchen and Firenze.
- There will be no war in Europe proper: I am a little confused by number 6 in your diagram as OE has no military access to your territory; OE would have to have access through Hungary.

Others:
- Leave Alexandria for later: You would most likely have to commit your full army to take The Mamelukes head-on, leaving you vulnerable to Burgundy. Wait for a few decades and let the land technology gap widen.
- Warn Portugal: It looks as though Portugal will only continue to expand in N. Africa and continue colonization. War with them will get really ugly once naval tech 9 is reached.
- Next NI, Press Gangs (PG) or Unam Sanctam (US): US halves the cost of annexation from 6 BB to 3 BB, which is exactly what you need. I would also look to replace NB with PG with an advisor event or such.
 

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@Sir Enewald: If I didn't know better, I'd say you had a few just before that post... :D
Mecca and south soon enough, along with Egypt.
Rome is being a stick in the mud, and the death of my good King was no help in the matter.
The Otts... All I can do is smile... ;)

@Throne: Welcome back... And Aye. Definitely on the agenda.

@Sir nsahn: I can't take Erdine regardless, unless the Otts move their capital, which I'll be all too helpful to help them do in any way possible.

Number 6 is where the the allies of the Otts would come across. The GH loves to traipse across Hungary and be annoying up north, especially if they are in the mood for diversionary tactics.

I think you're right with Portugal. And I also see where the NI of PG would be helpful. I am thinking I may take it next regardless, as I am going to need some serious naval power, and very soon.

As it is, I have just finished the latest stint... Many things have happened. :D

I'm beginning to do the updates now.

Till then...

T
 

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Seeing that you've already played the next part, I'll keep this one light. I'll have to do a better job keeping up in the future so I won't miss the debate :D (damn college...)

Yeah, seems that the lust for revenge has moved the target from Mamluks to OE in that part of the world. A vengeful guy, this monarch, as Brandenburg already noticed. And why not, seeing that the Mamluks aren't presenting an opportunity. Still, they should be a target down the road for the COT and the missionary boost.

Maybe time your attack when France and/or Burgundy are entangled in major wars to give you an opportunity to safely wage war with OE?

Regarding religion, I can agree with this:
Still 150 years or so for this one... I believe it will come down to which way the provinces fall. If we get a majority of one or the other, we'll lean that direction... ???
No need to start really forcing it one way or the other.

And you have such quality provinces that you'll definitely be an economic powerhouse when the cores pop.

Oh, and it's nice to see that you've already sprinkled the spirit of the revolution in there with the monarch dissing the regal protocol ;)
 

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Awesome set of a couple of updates. :D

The Pope... Annexation and you:

Annex The Pope and Make Him Move: quicksabre, Malurous, Sir nsahn, antacer

Keep the Pope 'On a Rope' as a Vassal: Sir Enewald, Sir blsteen, quicksabre

As you won't stay Catholic, make him move!

Taking down the Bavarian Tuscany Alliance:

As soon as BB allows. Both are cores. IIRC, that means no extra BB for the annex, so they should be 5 apiece...? Unless someone happens to take them first...

3 apiece IIRC. But yes, take them down!

STOP Getting serious about taking the Holy Land:

We have two options depending on how we can get into it and how committed we have to be. I personally want to hold off at first and see if the Mams start collapsing again, or if they get into it with another large nation again. In other words, I'd like to kick her when she's down to minimize the forces I have to dedicate to an invasion.

We also have to identify the targets. Do we start with Alexandria to take the COT, to bring it along to core sooner...? Or do we go after Jerusalem for the missionary and prestige bonus...?

Ideally, as has been suggested by blsteen, we will need a good sized chunk of real estate. He suggests taking the center out of the country and splitting them in half.

Take Alexandria: quicksabre, Malurous, Sir nsahn, antracer
Take Jerusalem: Sir blsteen

I agree with blsteen. Take Jerusalem and Sinai, then go from there.
Thrace: Potential COT Site and Important Land Bridge...

From your breakdown, it looks like it is just a battle of patience and attrition to take Thrace. Do it! Hey, you might just decide to become the third Rome.....


Protestant bound:

Go PRO: quicksabre, Rabid, Sir OrangeYoshi (game play points to PRO all the way...), Sir nsahn, Sir blsteen, antracer

Stay Cathy: kfijatass, marty99, urdh, Throne

Be the REF: Sir Beamed, enkhuush, Sir Enewald, Malurous

Sir Enewald: I could change my vote back to PRO if there would be enough protestant provinces in Milan, including the capital.

Still 150 years or so for this one... I believe it will come down to which way the provinces fall. If we get a majority of one or the other, we'll lean that direction... ???

Yes, see how the province decisions go. REF may just be a fun RP after all.....

The Long Range Forecast: Other Stuff We Get To Decide On Too

Cultural Significance: Should we pursue accepted cultures as an objective?:

Go for it and try it if suitable, but don't go too far out of your way to accept a culture that doesn't give much benefit.

Taking Japan as the end game:

This is certainly a odd idea. It would fit in with staying Milan and going REF though. I don't know whether it would be better to take it as an island, or try to conquer your way through Asia to get to it though.


Austria: There's GOLD in them there hills.

To paraphrase Sir Enewald: All UR GOLD R belong to US!


Mediterranean Empire or Colonizing Force:

Med Empire: quicksabre, kfijatass, Sir Beamed, sjones25, Malurous
Colonizer...: Rabid
Both of 'em: Sir Enewald, marty99, Sir blsteen, Sir OrangeYoshi, enkhuush
Womanizer: Sir nsahn
Island Specific: Sir nsahn, antracer*

Take my vote off of "both of 'em". I'm reconsidering my position.....

Island specific would fit with conquering Japan from afar, and Med Empire would fit with conquering it through Asia......


Land or Naval:

Land: quicksabre, kfijatass,OrangeYoshi
Naval: Rabid, Sir nsahn (+1 or +2, just to give the colonies a boost...)
Balanced: Sir Enewald, enkhuush (One slider movement to land.), Malurous, antracer

What is that slider at currently? This could decide the Med Empire and how to conquer Japan ones.

Can't touch Portugal:

Leave her be: kfijatass, Malurous
Just Watch Me: Sir Enewald
Better Earlier: Sir nsahn
Not Until Late: -none-
Just Colonies: Rabid, antracer
You allow to exist...? (ie; destroy... destroy...): enkhuush
Forget them completely: sjones25

Don't touch them. They could be a decent foe at the end game (possibly) and you won't be going in that direction anyway with your naval tech 5.
The corniness of the AAR:

Oh my....