One Invasion to kill ERE?

[Accrsd]

so i decided to play as a count in ERE located in the kingdom of Greece. it was all going fine until a little Fatimid Invasion of Greece ended with not only me and my compatriots.. but the Emperor himself under Fatimid control? Now i don't mind that i'm still in control, far from it.. i see this as an opportunity to try and survive in a hostile land... What does bother me though is that the Imperial title doesn't super-cede an unformed kingdom title? It honestly bugged me that the entire ERE broke up because of one war? also a funny thing about factions.. when there's a faction to put you in power and you don't join it.. you still go to prison upon the peace treaty?...


regardless i see this as further proof that Sultans, Especially Caliph sultans, are the worst characters to grant kingdom Invasion casus belli to

 

[kraussda]

If a ruler loses all of his county and barony titles in an invasion war, his upper level titles are destroyed. Had the emperor had a county outside of the Kingdom of Greece, the ERE would have survived.

 

[Accrsd]

If a ruler loses all of his county and barony titles in an invasion war, his upper level titles are destroyed. Had the emperor had a county outside of the Kingdom of Greece, the ERE would have survived.

Very true, But the point remains that an entity that can declare both a Jihad for a kingdom, and a piety based Kingdom Invasion is really the source of the problem with the Fatimid sultinate. Everyone talks about how OP they are but concidering they're really the only Shia kingdom and the only muslim kingdom to start out lead by a caliph then you gotta wonder why the holder of these two titles would have such a massive advantage? I know they made it so jihad's cannot be declared until a certain year now but that doesn't stop the invasion casus belli

and do remember i don't mind being under the control of the sultan.. just have to convert and keep some orthodox souls in my council for a unseen but inevitable betrayal

 

[kraussda]

Oh, I wasn't saying the invasion CB wasn't ridiculous, unnecessary, or silly. I was just clarifying why the ERE got destroyed.

 

[Accrsd]

What's even worse, unlike a Jihad or a holy war i don't believe it's possible for people to join in the defense of kingdoms of their same religion. Invasions are nice when you actively have to work to get them but it pretty much just takes the fatimids 2-3 holy wars to have the piety to call them. I've never seen a shia jihad for ERE succeed, it's always the damn invasions that get em

 

[Frozen_Predator]

well Constantinople was the source of Imperial legitimacy and its loss would certainly mean the end of the empire, though it should also be an event chain in case this happens for the remnants to form into multiple kingdoms who have a possible decision to restore the empire if the hold Constantinople.

But the invasion casus belli needs to be changed, either to only target Duchy level titles or to only be availlable to neighbours (tried to mod that myself, didn't work)

 

[Accrsd]

the worst part about it is i just conqured france in the year 1073... sure the aquataine is independant but who cares.. i just took out one of the western blob powers in 7 years cause of an invasion

 

[Talq]

There is no good reason why they have it, and they can really screw up a few countries with it (hitting BYZ right after, or in alliance with, the Seljuks, Sicily). One of those 'did not think of the impacts' buffs.

 

[Dracko81]

One invasion to kill the ERE your say...