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TBH though the successes of the Romanov's and the conquests in Europe might make him abandon his beliefs. Or he would be rotting in a Siberian prision under the tender care of the Okhrana.

In OTL he was deputy war minister to Kerensky and was kicked out for being involved in the Kornilov coup. I could see him being a minister in the interwar period as someone who would be on the right of the political spectrum and would be favorably inclined to a military government
It might make him, but he's not the kind of right winger who before that would have been included in Dimitri's coalition. I definitely think that the success of the Romanovs would have taken the fire out from his movement, but this would also have made him much less of a relevant figure. Someone with his rhetoric could not simply reinvent himself as a monarchist.

On the topic of India, darn, that isn't good. Unless Delhi DoWs them while the red army is faced southwards, then their only chance is an Entente landing in Burma.
Personally I see India as a matter for the IJA to handle. I can't see Delhi remaining in the Commonwealth sphere for long after this war (if such a sphere even exists) and Japan would make a natural ally for it.
 
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Chapter 279: The Neptune Paradox

"If anything, by preventing Neptune's execution, Mosley has made it far more likely to succeed. As Paradoxical as it may seem, it may be that a successful military action by the Republic of Britain becomes their downfall. Only time will tell. Until then, we must plan."
- General Warwick, Royal Marines​

Saint Petersburg:

“The left, Ruttenberg and his Imperial Democrats, are wedging us in the Duma with these demands for an invasion of Britain, and even with the Duma out of session the press are picking up on it. We’re going to need to apply additional pressure to stop the Siloviki in my party peeling off.”
Yusupov’s voice betrayed frustration more than concern. The Conservatives dominated the Duma, but having Ruttenberg and his Imperial Democrats outflanking them on the right played badly in the press...and the next election was bound to bring complications.

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“If we were allowed to release additional details to the membership, perhaps they’d understand the logic of our position. Most of that wing are former uniformed officers or similar, they can be trusted.”

Yuspov waved off Markov's suggestion “sharing information ONLY with the military wing is a recipe for further fracture among the Conservatives.”

At his place at the Cabinet table, Lev was flicking an unlit cigarette between his fingers. The Tsar didn’t tolerate smoke particularly well, so the nicotine addict was clearly struggling. “We’re the Imperial Government, not the Conservative Government. Let’s ignore the bleating and move on.”

Yuspov’s dislike of the young upstart was starting to grow day by day. He turned to the Tsar for support, only to see Vladimir still only half attentive, looking through that damn letter again.

He’d have to have a word to the staff, no correspondence from the English Princess before Cabinet.

“As I am certain his Majesty would agree, there is a need to keep our political flank secure. Losing our dominance of the Duma at the next election would fundamentally transform our position, and our stance on negotiating with Mosley is a critical weakness.”

The invocation of his name roused the Tsar from his reverie. He finally set the damn letter down.

This British knew what they were doing.

“With what the President says being true on all counts, perhaps it would be best to harden our position somewhat. We could demonstrate some escalating cooperation with Edward’s Government, after all, they were most cooperative on the French matter recently.”

The British absolutely knew what they were doing. One exiled Frenchmen and a letter from the Princess and already the hard stance was evaporating.

Lev saw his chance and jumped in “The British are seeking access to our plans for Neptune, we could give Sir Winston that. Follow up with some firm statements in the press.”

Yuspov was pensive “De Gaulle’s relations with the British are already frayed, if we quite publicly demonstrate a quid pro quo with Canberra, it may make things worse. We could lose the French entirely.”

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Lev was having none of it “Lose them to whom? You’re being too gentle on the man and his Junta. Every month he seeks further credit to fund his war, and he requires resource and arms imports for which there is no available alternative. We’re masters of Eurasia, he should fall in line.”

The Tsar hesitated a little at Lev’s proposal, holding his hands out, palms facing downward as if trying to physically push down the forcefulness “ Our hope must still be that Algiers will see the wisdom in participating in a unified regime in France, under the leadership of a renewed French crown and within the Imperial structure we are putting in place. Hopefully the lack of real alternatives causes them to see reason. Until then, allowing the French people themselves the right of return in limited numbers is a valuable first step.”

“Then”
offered Yuspov, “perhaps best to moderate our response to these British requests. Focus for a moment on healing the wounds with France.”

The Tsar tapped his fingers on the letter again “No, no, the military imperative with Britain does suggest we draw on every possible source of expertise. Bring Warwick and his men back in on the planning.”

Well played Churchill. Yuspov thought, well played.


British Embassy, Saint Petersburg

Winston Churchill’s mood filled him with more warmth than a fine glass of brandy ever could. The French were furious of course, but the pressures of military pragmatism would calm them in time. Meanwhile Warwick and the military mission finally had the keys to the Kingdom, the Russians had included them in a briefing on the plans for their invasion of Britain. The first report on those plans was now in his hands, Churchill finally getting a chance to see what the Russian behemoth had in store for that cretin Mosley.

Churchill’s mood began to drop however as he read through Warwick's memo on the Russian plans. The memo stretched on and on, covering everything from logistics, to climate, force structure and tactics.

The note in the margin at the bottom told the story rather more succinctly.

“Thank God they lost their transports and could not go ahead. Serious revisions required; they all would have died.”


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From “Solar Dawn - The 1942 Imperial Offensives” by James Hetson
Chapter 21. The Neptune Paradox


There is a case to be made that the destruction of much of Russia's landing craft capability in the English channel ended up saving the Russo-Roman military machine from suffering its first major military reverse.

Initial STAVKA planning for an amphibious operation against Britain can best be described as half hearted and insufficient in its scale or detail. The focus had been on throwing some sort of attack together quickly, and betrayed a lack of understanding about the immense complexity of amphibious operations as well as the scale that would be required in order to breach Mosley’s defences.



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Lacking the creativity and experience that had defined their operations on the European mainland, the first plan for a Russo-Roman amphibious operation called for a landing in the South East of England, coupled with a six division airborne operation to support the landings. Landings were to be undertaken primarily by infantry veterans of the Solar offensives, as there was not deemed to be enough time to bring together sufficient dedicated marine formations.

The list of issues went on.

The logistical preparations were inadequate, training, reconnaissance, and fire support planning were lacking, and the use of air-power in the plan missed by nearly an order of magnitude the amount of sorties that would ultimately be included in the plan.

Had STAVKA gone ahead with an opposed landing into the teeth of the heaviest British coastal defences in August or September 1942 as originally planned, the most likely result would have been the destruction of much of the precious airborne strength, and transformational boost to British morale.

Instead, when STAVKA was forced to pause and consult the specialist expertise of its allies. The frank evaluations, independently arrived at and delivered, by both the Royal Marines and the Japanese military attaché triggered a significant rethink.

Firstly, the operation would need to be significantly upscaled. Even with its best formations trapped overseas, the Union of Britain could call on a significant number of divisions and militia formations for home defence. It was supported by the most formidable set of coastal fortifications yet produced in human history.


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As such, the front would need to be widened and the number of involved formations increased. The airborne component would be doubled, the amphibious forces tripled, and the number of transport aircraft allocated to follow up resupply increased by a factor of four. This elevated the proposed operation Neptune to, by some margin, the largest amphibious operation ever conceived up to that date.

Secondly, the formations and equipment involved would be reconsidered. Japanese experience reclaiming the (less heavily defended) island of Formosa had demonstrated the value of specialised landing formations, complete with dedicated training and equipment (including, in the Japanese case, amphibious tanks).


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That meant that time would need to be spent raising additional marine units, converting extra existing infantry divisions to amphibious capability, and even then, planning would include the use of Japanese and potential British exile units. Infantry formations would be relegated to later waves, as would the heavy armour.

Thirdly, reconnaissance and planning around naval support would need to be overhauled. Beach defences, inland batteries, targets right down to individual pillboxes would need to be photographed, categorized, and written into combined air-naval preparatory bombardment plans. The Russian battlefleet would then need to hone its skills and be prepared to provide close gunnery support during the landing.

This list of concerns and necessary changes stretched on. One particular problem identified was the very heavy need for air attacks during the first and second days of the attack. Planners wanted to hit everything at once. They wanted to hit beach sites, rear areas, centres of communication, transportation infrastructure...the list went on. The desire was for an overwhelming, paralysing attack across the entire Southern half of the British isles.

Such an attack was beyond the capabilities even of the combined Imperial air forces. The requirement for a weapon which could deliver a one off ‘burst’ of sortie capability had long been envisaged in Vladivostok, and the STAVKA signed off on writing the use of more than three thousand of the new, highly secret pulsejet missiles into its planning.


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All of this made a substantial delay inevitable. Planning would take time, training would take time, producing thousands of new specialised missiles, landing craft, bombardment monitors and all the other requirements for the operation would take, again, time.

Given this, STAVKA recommended that Neptune be delayed significantly. Instead of a1942 landing, the operation would be shunted to the 1943 campaign season.

This recommendation was made with full awareness of the costs involved. General Markov noted in his covering notes on the proposed plan that pushing the operation back until 1943 would “require the fliers and sailors to maintain their intensity of action against Britain for almost a year, rather than the initially planned two months, and would severely limit our ability to intervene in other war fronts for that time, be that Africa, India, the Americas, or Asia. Nonetheless, I believe that the successful conclusion of the war against Britain is of such importance that it demands the priority and consideration this proposal attaches to it.”

While the planning process was carefully guarded, evidence of the build-up on the French and Scandinavian coasts was impossible to hide. It amplified concerns in Britain, which redoubled its negotiations with Chicago for greater military support, but also invigorated the French Red Government in Africa. There had been some concern that Russia or the Austrians might involve themselves in the African struggle where the reds were fighting for their lives, and future, against the Mittelafrika and South African forces. With Britain absorbing Imperial focus for the time being, the Commune Government in exile believed it had a path to victory, and appealed to Chicago to divert potential aid from Britain to the African front.


The stage was set for a tense game of bartering and lobbying in Chicago.
 
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Well, it would certainly be a shame for Mosley if Earl Browder were to use this extreme position of power to propel America to its rightful place of dominance in the Syndicalist world. It would be even more of a shame if Browder remembered English perfidy from earlier in the war with their fleets.
 

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Heads up that I'm flying home to my PC today so, while I hope youve enjoyed some narrative settups, the timeline will start moving forward again now at a pretty decent clip...I have only played into the first week of September so past then I'm not sure of everything that will happen.

Next update is Browder/Mosley and the Pacific i think.
 
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Well, it would certainly be a shame for Mosley if Earl Browder were to use this extreme position of power to propel America to its rightful place of dominance in the Syndicalist world. It would be even more of a shame if Browder remembered English perfidy from earlier in the war with their fleets.
Well, the UoB has one big clinching argument; the CSA has no navy.
 
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Well, the UoB has one big clinching argument; the CSA has no navy.
That will change soon. And the CSA does have an airforce, and an army that will be strong enough to hold back the Russians, possibly. The lack of an American navy does mean Japan can do what it wants, but the Japanese threat to America is orders of magnitude less than the Russian threat to Britain.
 

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That will change soon.
The AI isn't very good at re-building fleets from scratch, unless Aussie is interfering with the build order. Often what happens once the main AI fleet is destroyed is that new ships very easy to either target at sea dispersed from a bigger formation or to air bomb at the port when the AI tries to build a larger fleet.

I am not even sure the CSA AI is capable of sending land armies to Britain until there is an active front there.

The point is, the Russian and UOB fleets are more or less competitive with each other and taken together the International has more space to cover with fewer ships and contributors than the Imperial alliance. Ships take time to build, so unless if Aussie gave a huge CSA carrier order manually, it won't be competitive by then.
 
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Hi @Aussie Perun , I just wanted to drop by and let you know I nominated you for the Weekly AAR Showcase! I've really been enjoying your work, and I certainly think this is well deserved. Congrats and keep up the good work!
 
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The AI isn't very good at re-building fleets from scratch, unless Aussie is interfering with the build order. Often what happens once the main AI fleet is destroyed is that new ships very easy to either target at sea dispersed from a bigger formation or to air bomb at the port when the AI tries to build a larger fleet.

I am not even sure the CSA AI is capable of sending land armies to Britain until there is an active front there.

The point is, the Russian and UOB fleets are more or less competitive with each other and taken together the International has more space to cover with fewer ships and contributors than the Imperial alliance. Ships take time to build, so unless if Aussie gave a huge CSA carrier order manually, it won't be competitive by then.
I was mostly talking in rl terms rather than what the AI would do; I'm not familiar with DH the game.
 

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I had already intervened to significantly improve the CSA build order. It's some infantry (to support invasion defence and fighting in Africa) 11 carriers, 3SHBBs, very large sub and escort builds, fighters, and some bombers. More importantly, the carriers this way will finish at the same time, so the AI won't commit them one at a time.

I don't intervene often, but antagonists sometimes deserve help.

The other thing I do is the AI doesn't share nuclear blueprints. Given Damocles is a joint effort, whenever Mosley finishes a tech I trade it to the CSA to give them the blueprint.
 
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Ambassador Kirkwood, a firmly built Scotsman no stranger to political pressure, still felt the crushing weight of trying to stare down Chairman Browder. The master of revolutionary North America had called him into the audience in what Kirkwood imagined as something like a 1920s Mobster’s throne room. Banners, guns used during the revolution, photographs adorned the walls, and the Chairman’s desk was an ornate, carved thing of beauty, the seal of the new America emblazoned all over the thing.

“My request, Ambassador Kirkwood, is that you turn greater resources towards Pacific tasks. We have been clear that Japan’s entry into the war did not offer us ample time to evacuate our garrisons that had been pacifying the old Pacific holdings. Between some of the major islands and bases I have eleven divisions of young, capable men trapped out there.”

Kirkwood just nodded “And we have assisted in that task, the Pacific Squadron has broken blockades every few weeks, at mounting costs to our ships. We’re keeping them supplied”

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Browder held his palms out, open. “Comrade, be serious, please, we’ve lost more ships guarding our convoys to your islands than you have to ours, and the American workers have fewer ships to give...ever since the unfortunate events with the Canadian reactionaries.”

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“Besides, you have to acknowledge that things have changed now, the old blockade busting with a few old destroyers and cruisers won’t cut it anymore.”

Kirkwood squirmed a bit “I can’t say I fathom exactly what you…”

*slam*
the open palms turned and slammed down on the table. “You know exactly what I mean. I mean that the last effort to resupply my boys in the Pacific ran into an entire Japanese battleline, and that your fleet decided to sail back to San Diego with desperately needed cargo still in their holds.”

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“Your old attempts to do things in half measures isn’t going to work anymore. They may act like a bunch of feudal relics, but the Japanese are getting their act together. Formosa has fallen, their Empire is stabilising, and there is none of the class consciousness there that we can rely on in Europe. Their backwardness protects them. We wait much longer, they’re going to turn their entire fleet on us, whereas up until now, we were just a sideshow for them.”

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Kirkwood offered a conciliatory open hand, “I dinnae know what we can do for ye, Comrade Chairman. Ma people in Scotland are starting to suffer, so I’m sure London is most appreciative of all the support the American workers are providing, but I don’t see how our Pacific Squadron could make it past the Japs now they have carriers to spare.”

Browder lifted a hand as if in question. “There are what, five British carriers docked on our Eastern Seaboard right now aren’t there? Enjoying refit and repair by American dockworkers, safely out of reach of Imperial bombers?”

“Aye, and the big three are there as well, but they’re meant to help run the next major convoy back home, ward off any Imperial raiders.”

“My understanding was you gave the Russians a proper thrashing last time, they’ll be in port licking their wounds. It would be most comradely of you to offer to send that fleet into the Pacific, the canal is open to us after all. You could escort a transport fleet out, in force. Forget about resupply, you could bring all eleven divisions home, out of Japanese reach.”


Kirkwood struggled to keep his composure, “Comrade Chairman, I’m sure ye understand, rationing back home is already more than what a working man should be asked to bear. Every day the pilots go up while hungry workers have to turn out from dawn to dusk to repair roads and railways hit by Russian bombs. It’s a desperate situation, Comrade, and I'm confident my Chairman would say the same, we have to keep our focus on convoy protection and preventing any invasion.”

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Browder smiled “There’s no need for an either or choice Comrade Ambassador, there’s plenty of time for your fleet to undertake this operation before the next major priority convoy makes for Britain.”

“Begging your pardon Comrade Chairman, but I dinnae think that’s true. The next Convoy, near on two hundred and fifty ships, is meant to go next week. Ma people are in keen need of it’s arrival.”


Browder’s smile dropped back to neutral, he spoke softly, accent thick "I’ll give you my pardon, Comrade, but you are mistaken. There is no convoy next week. There is in fact no major convoy until our boys are safely back home.”

Kirkwood could feel his face going Red “Comrade, ma people...”

*Slam*
“Your people, Comrade ambassador, have not just emerged from a devastating, years long civil war, followed by a grinding struggle through Canada. Your people have not been asked to die by the hundreds of thousands to make your revolution, and I have seen no evidence that you were willing to lay down lives to defend those of France, Italy, Iberia, Germany, or anywhere else on the continent. America, Kirkwood, the American worker has bled for this, he’s only just won his liberation. And now You, the French, and every other power in the Revolutionary world is crying on us to give over our blood, our grain, and our oil in service of THEIR needs.”

Kirkwood waved off the charge "We’re not asking for charity, Comrade, we’re fighting the hard fight, and we have the only fleet left that..”

“Yes, you have the only fleet left. One that handily saw off an imperial fleet larger than anything the Japanese can put together. That is your ability, and I know exactly what your need is. You have ships and starving people, I have food...and men that need to be brought home.”

“I understand, but the situation is desperate comrade, my Government will want that convoy run first.”

*Slam* “Your Government can remind itself that the revolution depends on zealous adherence to the principles of cooperation among the Vanguard of the working class. So I'm telling you what that cooperation looks like.

You go get our boys, then I’ll make sure Britain gets what it needs to fight on.


That’s the deal. Or perhaps the American worker decides the struggle in Africa is more important than more resources to rich old Britain.”

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Well, this is just excellent. The IJN doesn't need to deploy anything in Europe if the Republican Navy comes to it. And while the IJN might be less powerful than the Russian Navy it should have a much stronger naval tradition. Hopefully the IJN gives the RN a bloody nose, and the rebuilt Imperial Russian Navy can finish them off.
 

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Oh, that's got to be a big ouch to Britain. Blackmail from Browder, demanding the republican navy be sent on fool's errants into the south pacific... Oh dear. What could possibly go wrong. :eek:

BTW I did a Google lens search on that picture of Browder and it turns out there's a plethora of excellent pictures of him on the google arts and culture website :)


I particularly like this one, confidently looking at the viewer, from a Times magazine cover of 1936:
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Almost as if he knew that alternate history authors would one day in the far future make him out to be the revolutionary bad boy leader of a communist America ;)
 
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So, Kido Butai versus the RN Carrier Force? That's going to be interesting. Historically the Japanese aricraft would have been significantly better than the ones the British fielded in 1942, and the Japanese were excellently trained. On the other hand, the British carriers with armoured flight decks are really hard for the Japanese dive bombers to seriously damage - it'll have to be the torpedo bombers that get the kills. And the British had air-to-surface radar, so were capable of a night attack with not too much loss of efficiency. My money would be on the Japanese, especially if the engagement takes place within range of land-based air and with their submarine force scouting, but it's not entirely one-sided.
 
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More importantly, the carriers this way will finish at the same time, so the AI won't commit them one at a time.
Very, very, wise of you.

What's the ETA for them?

I suppose they should still have enough escorts to fill in a fleet or two.

I was mostly talking in rl terms rather than what the AI would do; I'm not familiar with DH the game.
Yea, I figured as much. I've played DH KR to the point I know how the AI thinks; when it thinks at all.

I guess it isn't that bad compared to some even newer games, but the UOB, in particular, has glaring problems with its AI.
 

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I know too much of a good thing is something to be avoided. but ive played forward a bit more and am now writing up another major naval battle.

IJN vs Mosleys finest, place your bets.

Yamato vs Chainbreaker
Taiho vs Rebecca

We have it all here on One and Invisible...just give me a day or two to write it.
 
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I know too much of a good thing is something to be avoided. but ive played forward a bit more and am now writing up another major naval battle.

IJN vs Mosleys finest, place your bets.

Yamato vs Chainbreaker
Taiho vs Rebecca

We have it all here on One and Invisible...just give me a day or two to write it.
RN and IJN big battle in the pacific, far from the friendly shores of Britannia?? Oh dear that's not going to end well for the red baddies. My money is on Japan.