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Oh my, oh my. If the French fleet can make it out into the Atlantic then the Internationale will have salvaged at least something from the destruction of the continental Syndicalist states.

I really like the insights into the military and economic thoughts of the Russian high command. I would not have thought that the remaining presence of the syndicalist navies in the Mediterranean could make such a difference to the further progress of the war against Britain!
 

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Well, glad to see that we're getting some serious naval action outside of the Pacific Theatre. Time for the Russian navy to earn its stripes. Just breaking out of the Channel is huge; it allows the fleet to threaten so much more, and there's still a home base on the other side of the Med.
 

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Sorry that this is taking a couple of days. its been a big week at the office and i want to get the naval battle right.

It's not map painting or world building, but a good all in naval battle is worth the chapter i think given how few there are in the average game.

And what nerd hasnt wanted what are basically Yamatos, Bismarck, and all the French fast battleships plus Littorio in one fight.

Also there is a bunch of older stuff on both sides.

There is one hero capital ship of the fight that stands out though and it's not one I or anyone would have guessed i think.

Anyway, should be updated in a day or two.
 
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Sorry that this is taking a couple of days. its been a big week at the office and i want to get the naval battle right.

It's not map painting or world building, but a good all in naval battle is worth the chapter i think given how few there are in the average game.

And what nerd hasnt wanted what are basically Yamatos, Bismarck, and all the French fast battleships plus Littorio in one fight.

Also there is a bunch of older stuff on both sides.

There is one hero capital ship of the fight that stands out though and it's not one I or anyone would have guessed i think.

Anyway, should be updated in a day or two.

Take your time, don't rush the battle... I expect a lot of minute-by-minute logs! :D
 

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Chapter 227: The Tsars and the Revolutionaries - The Battle of the Gibraltar Straits (Part 1)

From: "The Leviathans at War - Navies of the Great Powers 1939-1950, Chapter 21, the battle of the Gibraltar Straits"

Background:

The success of the Imperial campaigns in France and Iberia had deep strategic implications for the Internationale’s fleet in the Mediterranean. With the Suez canal in Imperial hands, the loss of Gibraltar and the sealing of the straits there would effectively cut the Italian, French, and British Mediterranean fleets off from any stable source of supply and leave them isolated on Sicily, Malta, and Crete.

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While their presence there posed an ongoing headache for the Imperial forces and had pushed the Austro-Hungarian, Bulgarian, and Greek navies to the limit, being sealed in the Mediterranean to die a slow death under Imperial air-attack did not appeal to the leaders of the red fleets and the conquest of Corsica by Imperial paratroopers confirmed this inclination.

The battle of the Gibraltar Straits developed out of a desire by the Imperial forces to prevent a breakout of the soon to be trapped Internationale ships which could augment American and British strength in the Atlantic, coupled with a drive by the Commune and Italian red navies to achieve exactly that kind of breakout.

Following the success of operation Udar Molnii, which snuck the Russo-Roman battleship fleet through the English Channel, a race developed which ultimately barely favoured the Internationale. The Imperial fleets failed to reach the straits and close them before the Commune arrived, but they did manage to reach the Red fleets as they had only barely cleared the straits and begun to move back into open waters. With transport ships and older vessels capping the overall speed of the red fleets, an engagement became inevitable unless the Commune admiralty were prepared to abandon the breakout attempt.

They were not.


Disposition of Forces:

Both fleets had been at high cruising speed in the lead up to the battle and were traveling almost head on in the lead up to the engagement.

With Commune forces having cleared the straits of Gibraltar, the Imperial fleet failed in its original plan of blocking the movement of its enemy through the straits, but likewise the Commune ships had not moved far enough West to allow for an easy run South along the African Coast without going through the approaching Russo-Roman fleet.

As it became clear that a major gun-battle was all but inevitable, both commanders divided their primary gun-lines into three groups, with lighter ships cast in a supporting role. In raw numbers of capital ships engaged, the battle was dwarfed by the great Weltkrieg battles of first and second Skagerrak, but in significance to the engaged powers, the battle was broadly equivalent, representing a near total commitment of their respective fleets of large gun platforms.


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It also took on an almost poetic character, because of the names carried by the modern ships that would be the vanguards of the respective fleets. At the straits, four Russian Tsars would face off against four giants of Revolution in a battle to the death.

Internationale

The disposition of the Internationale force reflected their overall battleplan. The French hoped to be able to punch through the Russo-Roman force in a head-on gun exchange that took advantage of the disposition of their primary armaments. If that failed, the intention was to run to the South, down the African coast, until friendly port could be found and range limitations forced the Imperials to call off any pursuit.

This plan was based on a mixture of accurate and inaccurate data on Russian fleet capabilities. The expectation that a gun duel could be won was based on the erroneous belief that the Pyotr Velikiy class battleships, while heavy, mounted 9 sixteen inch guns and were broadly equivalent to upgraded Japanese Nagato class ships. The planned dash South was based on correct information on the limited speed of both the Ganguts and the newer Pyotr class battleships, relative to the Internationale fast-battleships and battlecruisers. Even if the Internationale had had accurate information on the Pyotr-Velikiy type battleships, a head on engagement may still have been preferred for the simple reason that not all of the Internationale fleet had the speed to run, and the same, all forward armament disposition that made a head on clash preferable meant that the reds would be severely limited in firepower if attempting to escape.

The Internationale thus divided its capital ships into three squadrons.

The slower, older Internationale class battleships were cooped with a number of the older cruisers and destroyers to the North. In layout, the Internationales had a lot in common with the later Danton class. The primary armament of eight, 13.5 inch guns was all positioned forward, reflecting their intended role as cruiser and commerce hunting predators.


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Upgrades to their torpedo protection, fire control, deck armour, and anti-aircraft suits in 1941 had however slowed the ships to just over 28 knots, too slow to effectively escape an engagement with the faster Russo-Roman elements. As such, Internationale, Commune de Paris, Saint Just and Mikhail Boukunine found themselves committed at the Northern edge, matched up against the older Ganguts of the Imperial fleet.

In the centre, the French arrayed their best. The four ships of the Danton class, rushed out of construction and into service to avoid capture, the ships were certainly the newest, most modern battleships afloat at the time of the battle.

Conceived as fast moving predators, capable of easily hunting cruisers and the older ships of the Exile and Republican navies, Danton, Marat, Marx, and Sorel had a top speed of upwards of 32 knots while mounting a forward battery of eight fifteen inch guns and a 170mm deck plate which massively increased protection against long range fires compared to the 115mm on the older Internationales. The ships also mounted brand new radar and fire control equipment, and were generally conceived to be a match for any ship they couldn’t outrun. In May 1942 however, they would be placed in the centre of the line, direct opponents of the Russo-Roman Pyotr class ships.


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To the South, the French placed their faster, weaker surface combatants that were deemed most likely to have to run to the South should battle turn against the Internationale’s forces. The flagship of the Italian navy, Masaniello fresh from design revisions that rendered her capable of more than 32 knots, was joined by the battlecruiser Charles Fourier and a group of faster light cruisers.

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The lighter elements of the Internationale fleet were primarily tasked with screening against what were expected to be aggressive torpedo attacks by the Russian destroyers, the capabilities of the Type-93 torpedo being both known to the Internationale and a point of major concern going into the engagement.

Imperial

As the Imperial fleet steamed South-East to head off the red fleet, it adjusted its formation to reflect what was seen as the most likely course of action by its opponents, a flight South that would exploit their greater speed and deny the Russians their battle.

The upgraded Ganguts, even with their new oil-fired turbines and machinery were taxing their power plants just making it to battle in time. The squadron of Gangut, Sevastopol, Petropavlovsk, and Poltava thus got tasked to the Northern edge of the Imperial line. There, they could focus fire on Commune cruisers and the older battleships that were not immune to the relatively small guns they carried.


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In the Centre, the four great Tsars would face the four revolutionaries of the Danton class. Pyotr I, Ekaterina II, Alexander I, and Nikolai I were slower than the Dantons but vastly heavier, with a primary armament of 18.1 inch guns and extensive armoured protection. While the Dantons had been designed as hunters, the Pyotr and her sisters reflected their Japanese heritage and were designed to slug it out with multiple enemy battleships at once.

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The Imperial Navy was confident that the superheavy ships in the centre could win a gunfight with their French opposite number, but the risk of the enemy fleeing battle was front of mind. As such, the faster elements of the Imperial fleet sped on ahead to form the Southern tip of the battle line. From here, they could sprint out to pursue the red fleet if it tried to run. This miscellaneous force included many of the fleet’s destroyers, the light cruisers Sotnik and Vityaz, heavy cruiser Rossiya, the upgraded but ancient battlecruiser Izmail (only launched ship of the Borodino class) and the Alexander II. Within this force, Alexander II was the slowest element, capable of around 31 knots, but was also by far the best armed and armoured element.

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First Phase:

Lieutenant Robert brought his binoculars up as the scout plane finally dropped below the clouds.

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“Radio fleet, enemy capital force composition as follows:

Northern squadron, four times Gangut class. Give location and bearing.

Central squadron…"


Robert trailed off. His rear gunner/radio operator, puzzled, turned around and gave him a firm shove. “Central squadron?”

“They’re too big.”
Robert had his recognition guide open but he didn’t need it. The closest of the “Pyotr Velikiy” class ships was easily recognisable. Three triple turrets and a distinctive funnel structure made them simple to recognise. But they were too big. Even accounting for perspective, compared to the Ganguts...they were way too big.

“Say again spotter?”
Robert’s heart was racing now, confusion and concern in equal measure. “The Russian heavies are far larger than our intelligence suggests. They’re monsters, closer to Chainbreaker than a Danton, we need to warn the fleet.”

How could they not have known. The British would have seen the ships during their dash through the channel. They must have known. How could they not have passed the news on? Was that why Mosley’s fleet hadn’t opted to join the breakout?

His brain was still trying to pull together a coherent estimate of exactly how big those things down there were when his gunner’s brains splattered over his recognition guide and the flight of Russo-Roman aircraft pounced on his recon flight and blasted it out of the sky.

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In its initial phase, the Imperial and Internationale forces steamed to battle by almost mutual assent. Both fleets made radar contact long before visual contact was made and both sides managed to get reconnaissance aircraft to fix their opponent’s location.

Imperial superiority in the air would rob the Commune and Italians of a detailed breakdown of the opposing force, but radar gave a clear enough picture that the opposing force was likely a little smaller in size than their own which gave the reds the confidence needed to commit to the battle that was about to commence.

For their part, the Imperial Commanders received a relatively good picture of the opposing force and could barely believe their luck in their enemy choosing to accept the initial engagement. Superiority in the air and the greater number of radar sets on picket ships would give the Imperial force the ability to begin the fight with a positioning advantage, slightly south of the reds, pressuring the most likely escape route to the South.



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Second Phase: Initial Exchanges

Kolchak dutifully watched and counted as each wildly aimed red salvo plonked down into the oceans around the Imperial ships. For more than ten minutes some trigger happy idiot in the red fleet had been firing off his guns at what must have been forty plus kilometres, achieving little other than depleting his stores and terrorising the local sea life.

Another volley fell, blasting up plumes of waters two hundred meters short of the Nikolai I.

They were getting closer.


Like some angry ursine roused from its slumber, the Nikolai’s guns trained on the horizon, elevated, and boomed out.

On the Pyotr I, Kolchak registered the radar operator giving the range as 25,000 meters, and the Captain giving the command.

Deep in the bowels of the ship’s armoured citadel, the Pyotr’s fire control centre registered the authorisation to fire. Radar range, pitch and roll information from the stable element gyroscopes, and a plethora of mathematical calculations and compensations from the fire control computers all came together for one purpose.

The guns fired, and six shells, each weighing one and a half tonnes, boomed out towards the Commune battle line.
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History will record that battle was symbolically opened at 09:13 by the gunners of the Masaniello. With overcharged shells, the 15 inch guns of the Italian flagship had a range of 42,600 meters. Coupled with a ranging error, she opened fire at an estimated range of just over 43,000 meters.

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At that distance, well beyond the ability of ship based observers to spot, the shells would spend approximately two minutes in the air before splashing down, scattered, more than a kilometre from the nearest Imperial ship.

But the point hadn’t been to score a hit. It, and the first several unopposed volleys from Masaniello, were intended to make a statement. A statement on the technical accomplishment of Totalist engineering, and the desire of the Reds to fight.

The fleets would close for more than fifteen minutes, during which only the Masaniello gave any fire. At 09:28, fire control officers onboard Nikolai I resolved the radar line of sight range to Commune de Paris as 25.00 Kilometers, and dutifully sent the first volley of 18 inch rounds into the sky.

The Revolutionaries would begin firing while the Russian shells were still in flight, and the secondary Imperial ships would give their first volleys only a minute later.

After fifteen minutes of grandstanding by the Italians, the gun battle was now universal and both forces were, for better or worse, committed.


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Chapter 228: The Tsars and the Revolutionaries - The Battle of the Gibraltar Straits (Part 2)

From: "The Leviathans at War - Navies of the Great Powers 1939-1950, Chapter 21, the battle of the Gibraltar Straits"


Third Phase: The General Engagement

Pyotr Velikiy
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The Commune fleet was visible now, with optical assistance at least, a line of angry shadows that rippled with the flashes of gunfire.

Kolchak had been confident as the Pyotr strode through the near misses. Confident in his gunners and the miraculous fire control systems that had been installed.

He didn’t see the shell come in. He couldn’t. All he saw was a bright flash against the face of “A” turret, followed by a punishingly loud bang and a tremor that shook the deck of the bridge.

He waited for a flare of flame, perhaps the otherworldly experience of being lifted into the air or pulverised as the magazines touched off beneath the turret. Instead, as the smoke cleared, he could see “A” turret, scarred, blackened, but very much intact. As if to confirm its status among the living, the turret rippled out another salvo not twenty seconds later.

The confidence returned as quickly as it had left. Naval architects could tell a man as often as they liked what his armour could withstand. It was quite another to see it before his very eyes.

Ears ringing, feet trembling, Kolchak gripped a girder for support but glared at the Communard ships with cold appraisal.

The Reds were fast; sprinters, athletes, but they’d chosen the naval equivalent of a street fight with a heavyweight boxer, and they were about to pay the price.

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By 09:38, less than ten minutes after the general engagement began, the engagement distances had closed considerably, reaching 8 kilometers at their closest point between the screening ships, and both fleets had begun to turn onto more Southerly headings and increased
their speed, slowing the rate of closing.

The respective squadrons unleashed their primary and secondary batteries on their designated targets.

Fatefully, the Commune captains primarily made the decision to focus on the leading Russian vessels, considering them the easiest targets to hit. This marked out the Russo-Roman heavies for particular punishment, but spared many of the lighter fleet elements.

The Russo-Roman fleet meanwhile, split their fire. The Ganguts, limited by the calibre of their main guns, focused on the softer opposing targets.


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The light cruiser Paris, following the Internationale in to screen her against Imperial destroyers, was to become the battle’s first naval casualty, falling victim to the veteran battleship Gangut, which bracketed and then blasted her apart with salvos of 12 inch of shells guided by the recently updated radar fire control system.

This affront marked Gangut as a primary target for the Internationales who began slinging shells in Gangut’s direction with steadily increasing accuracy.

The first hit on a capital ship would go the Internationale, with a hit on Gangut near the rearmost turret. Internationale had however in turn been designated priority target for the entire Gangut squadron. While the 12 inch guns were obsolete by 1942 standards, forty eight of them now marked the Internationale for death.

While her main belt proved resistant to the shells, the Commune ship quickly disappeared under a rolling hail of blasts and detonations. Her superstructure was wracked by multiple hits, her under-armoured areas blasted open to the sea, her bridge destroyed by a direct hit, and her deck punctured by plunging shells sparking rolling fires across much of the ship. With most of her command crew dead, the surviving officers moved command to a secondary bridge, and then, when that too had to be evacuated, tried to marshal damage control efforts from inside the ship’s citadel. After Petropavlovsk launched another demolishing salvo, the call was made to abandon the thoroughly mission-killed Internationale and set scuttling charges.


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Despite having been bracketed several times by her opponents, Pierre Kropotkine had avoided the kind of mass deluge of shells that had wrecked International. Her secondary battery had claimed a Russian destroyer and her primary guns had three hits into her closest capital opponent Gangut, disabling two of her guns in the process. Unlike the other Internationales she was not wasting her gunfire on the larger Imperial battleships, and her next volley scored a lucky hit which caused Gangut to slow and take on a list to port.

The ship's luck ended as Aleksandr I fired her eighth salvo at the Commune ship. One of her shells impacted cleanly with the number two turret, burrowed straight through the armour plate, and detonated in the interior, just as the guns were being reloaded. The flash carried down the shell lift, and touched off an explosion that blasted the turret and vast chunks of the ship’s forward section into the air in a conflagration of shockwaves and flame.


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As Pierre Kropotkine began to sink, the bullying guns of the "Tsars" (as the Commune called them) claimed more victims. Commune’s superstructure was shredded by two shells which burst in her upper levels while three of the Danton’s took hits from the big guns in the next few minutes. Marx was forced to flood her forward magazine when a shell punched through her armoured citadel and touched off fires dangerously close to the stockpile of charges and rounds. Danton’s captain meanwhile had to deal with extensive casualties among his crew and the loss of one of her two forward turrets.

As the shells began to land, now ever more accurately, damage accumulated rapidly on the Commune side. As men died and ships burned, they were treated to the demoralising sight of shells striking home on the Russian “Tsars”, only for the great ships to plow on, seemingly unperturbed.

As the ranges closed, the lighter combatants and secondary guns made their presence known, and torpedo evasion forced both lines to take evasive measures, but the trend of damage was clear.


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Fourth Phase: The Run South

Izmail

On the bridge of the battlecruiser Izmail, Captain Bakhirev saw the change in the Commune fleet long before the fleet signals were sent from Pyotr Velikiy. The Commune ships were turning south and gaining speed, most of them anyway. A few of the wounded prey to the North were turning East instead and laying smoke, showing their backs to the Imperial battlefleet.

They were running, they had to be.

He did a quick accounting, there were three of the faster, heavier French ships making the run, along with the Italian battlewagon, plus an escorting destroyer screen.

The chase group had the old Izmail, the cruiser Rossiya, a pair of light cruisers and Alexander II. That left them well behind on displacement and so short on relative firepower that it bordered on insanity.

But the French were running, and the overconfident bastards had never heard of a main battery gun that wasn’t pointed forward. That worked for him.

He turned to his XO, Skyrdlov, and gave the word. “They’re fleeing South. Set course one-seven-zero to pursue, all ahead flank.”

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With the sinking of Internationale and the abrupt detonation of Pierre Kropotkine, the Internationale battle line was forced to re-evaluate its situation.

The Russian Tsars had proven impervious to concentrated gunfire, while the lighter fast battleships in the Internationale line were showing their wounds. There was a belated realisation that the target prioritisation had been wrong, and Commune de Paris, Georges Sorel, and Auguste Blanqui all did switch fire to the less heavily protected Ganguts, but by then, the situation was critical. Ranges were down to seventeen kilometres and the fear of the long-range Russian torpedoes was also growing, just as the disparity in heavy gun-power widened.

At 10:10, Georges Sorel signalled to the fleet that its units should attempt a breakaway manoeuvre. The French ships laid a spread of torpedoes to break up the Russo-Roman line, accelerated to flank speed, and turned South, seeking to disengage and run for the African coast and, eventually, friendly ports.


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A majority of the Dantons were able to swing South and chase after the Masaniello who had already moved to disengage without orders from fleet command, but for the slower elements of the Commune fleet, especially those at the Northern end of the battleline, the order was a virtual impossibility.

It would have required the surviving Internationales, the wounded Marat (which had been slowed by counter-flooding and several underwater hits, and various older screening ships and transports to steam broadside on to an Imperial force that could at least keep up with them for a period of time.

The Northern group thus instead elected to turn East, running back towards the straits of Gibraltar and at least fleeting safety.

The decision to run, while understandable, turned what had been an (admittedly unequal) battle into a shooting gallery for the Imperial heavies. The Internationale forces made smoke to cover the retreat, forcing the Imperial ships to switch over to radar-directed gunfire and bypass optical guidance.

Ironically, this may actually have increased accuracy by the Pyotr Velikiy class ships with their brand new fire-control radar systems. At the same time, the Commune ships were forced to conceal most of their surviving guns, allowing the Imperials to pursue and fire at their leisure.

As the range slowly extended, casualties mounted. Marat lost her turbines to gunfire from the Ekaterina and would ultimately be sunk by torpedoes launched by the ship’s armed reconnaissance floatplanes. The Cruiser Diderot was blasted apart by a magazine flash and Robespierre would be slowed by heavy shells and then scuttled before Imperial destroyers could deliver a coup-de-grace. The heavy cruiser Toulouse would fall to the storied and veteran Sevastopol, the only undamaged Gangut.


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In the end, only Saint Just and Mikhail Boukunine and their screens were able to make it back to the safety of Gibraltar and the Mediterranean beyond, leaving a mass of shattered steel and sinking hulks behind them.

Their flight had won at least split the gunfire of the Imperial heavies and given the faster ships a chance to run, but if this was a victory, it had been a thoroughly pyrrhic one, and one not to be kindly respected by the Imperial pursuit force led by the Alexander II.



Fifth Phase: Wrath of the Masienello
Izmail

On the now open air bridge of the Izmail the wind buffeted Captain Bakhirev and hurled charts and debris alike.

To port, the brave Sotnik was listing badly, dead in the water, lifeboats and jumping men streaming away from the dying ship.

To starboard, poor Rossiya was peeling off and making smoke, some deliberately from her engines, some from the fires across her deck. She looked like a junkyard, her entire superstructure shattered, one of her funnels all but blown away and three great gouges punched in her prow.

In the distance, smoke from the three Syndicalist battlewagons, among them the bloody Italian ship that was picking apart the pursuers.

Bakhirev could almost hear his XO’s voice in his ear, asking if he should turn back. He was outnumbered now, and Izmail didn’t have the armour for this fight. If he fell back, Alexander II was still at the edge effective 15 inch gun range, itcould score hits with some luck.

He knew he couldn’t actually hear the voice though, Skyrdlov was dead, lying motionless behind the chart table after taking a brace of shrapnel and a long shard of metal to his neck.

And all he could see was the enemy before him.

“Continue firing.”

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The Southerly pursuit was both more protracted and less one sided than the flight to the East. The Imperial forces involved were weaker relative to their opponents, and the gun battle was not entirely one-way.

As Izmail, Alexander II, and their cruiser and destroyer escorts made their flank speed pursuit, the Commune ships were only able to reply with their rear mounted secondary batteries which, while giving the lighter ships something to think about, did not pose a serious threat even to lightly armoured Izmail.


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Masaniello however, still had a rear facing triple turret, flat shooting overcharged 15 inch shells, and a smorgasbord of targets.

The light cruiser Sotnik was to be the first victim of the Italian “X” turret. Bravely racing after the fleeing reds as fast as her swift-running screws would power her, Sotnit would be hit no less than three times by main battery fire before her fire slackened at last, convincing the Italians to switch their fire.

While Alexander II and Izmail put shells into the Marx, Masaniello turned its attention to the heavy cruiser Rossiya, while her secondaries began blasting apart chunks of Izmail’s superstructure. In another display of fine gunnery, Rossiya was left burning, and was only kept floating by heroic damage control efforts. The heavy cruiser, the only one in the Imperial navy, was forced to flood its magazines, drop out of line, and undertake extensive counter-flooding just to keep the ship from keeling over on the battlefield.


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The Imperial destroyers likewise paid a price, being targeted by the Communard’s lighter guns, but they pressed on resolutely, screening the capital ship pursuit.

While the Masaniello turned the pursuit force into a shooting gallery, the Imperial gunners found their range and zeroed in. A shell from Izmail would cause a partial magazine touch-off in the rear secondary-battery magazines, starting a chain of events that would ultimately sink her as damage control efforts broke down.

The older Izmail would also claim the Danton as fire from Alexander II forced the Communard ship to slow and deprived her of most of her rearward firepower. Izmail would follow up Alexander’s efforts with a number of waterline hits which sent the ship into a list, and reduced her available reserve buoyancy to the point where scuttling became inevitable.

Finally, the pursuit claimed its last major victim when Alexander II, now firing at the limits of its effective range at a radar-only contact, put a plunging round into Masaniello that knocked out part of her power-plant, forcing the ship to slow dramatically.

Seeing their chance, the Imperial destroyers surged forward at flank speed, and the battle moved into its final phase.



Fifth Phase: Coup de Grace

Russian Destroyer "Bedovyi"

Brine washed over the decks of the swarming destroyers as they raced in against the Masaniello. She was running slow, her superstructure addled by shells, but still two of the guns of her “X” turret rang out, straddling Izmail yet again.

The Italians hadn’t struck their colours, and that was enough for the destroyers.

At nineteen kilometres, the destroyers turned like a flock of birds, peeling off in formation.

They laid a spread of forty Type 93 torpedoes, running at a speed of fifty knots.

The click watch counted down the remaining minutes of Masaniello’s defiance.

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Slowed by direct hits from Izmail and Alexander II, The Italian battleship finally began to yield distance to its pursuers. With guns still functional, her captain elected to partially abandon the ship, but kept his gunnery and fire control crews at stations, guaranteeing that at least the swift light cruisers and destroyers could continue their flight.

Four Communard destroyers turned back rather than continue their flight South, central control by the Admiral long having since evaporated. These engaged in a gunnery duel with the approaching Russian destroyers, but ultimately could do little to prevent the Russian ships closing and then laying a spread of Japanese designed Type 93 torpedoes targeting the Italian flagship.

In her final minutes, Masaniello would land two main battery hits on the Izmail, opening the battlecruiser’s prow to the elements. Her secondary guns claimed one of the small ships involved in laying the torpedo spread.


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Then the first of the torpedoes impacted, four hits all to the starboard side of the ship.

Partially evacuated, Masaniello lacked the damage control teams to deal with the horrendous underwater carnage.

Critically wounded, the order was given to set scuttling charges and abandon ship. The pride of Mussolini’s navy would subsequently disappear below the waves twenty minutes later, ironically, leaving her crew to be recovered by the very destroyers and battlecruisers that had sent the ship to the bottom.

As Masaniello sunk, the Russian ‘chase’ wing finally gave up its task. Only Izmail had ever had any chance of catching the Communard light cruisers and destroyers still running, and with the ship badly holed and much of “A” turret’s ammunition depleted, Captain Bakhirev opted not to expose his ship to torpedoes and chance catastrophic failure in his overloaded turbines just for the chance to claim an additional light ship. Alexander II, lagging only shortly behind, would soon join Izmail in recovering survivors,

The battle, which had raged four hours, was now over.

For the Communard elements that fled back into the Mediterranean, the retreat provided only a short reprieve. Damaged, and with their locations known to Imperial forces, both the Saint Just and Mikhail Boukunine would be sunk by Imperial aircraft flying from Corsica and Italy on their way to Malta.



Aftermath:

As the first major engagement for both the Commune and Russo-Roman navy since the war began, and one in which both forces consented to the initial engagement, it was perhaps inevitable that casualties would be high by the standards of previous big-gun engagements.

The ‘chase’ element of the Russo-Roman navy had suffered heavily.

The light cruiser Sotnik had been sunk, a victim of Masaniello. Rossiya was not much better. Her superstructure was all but gone, crew casualties were extreme, and only truly heroic damage control efforts and extensive counterflooding kept her afloat. She would arrive in a captured Spanish port sitting low in the water, crawling at ten knots, and was immediately designated for extensive dock works just to get the ship ready for a cruise to the Black Sea where nine months of rebuilding would follow.


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Izmail, in many ways the hero of the hour, had suffered too. The ship's rebuild had increased her speed but only patched the worst weaknesses in her obsolete armour scheme. The lone ship of the Borodino class had been holed badly at her prow and had lost the use of one of her rearmost gun turrets. Her escorting light cruisers had all suffered damage, varying from the moderate to critical, and the destroyer arm had lost nine ships in the engagement.

Of the chase group, only the Aleksandr II, at the rearmost of the group avoided major damage and was able to demonstrate skilled gunnery in relative peace.

While the Russian forces had suffered some losses however, the main clash and then costly pursuit had all but destroyed the Communard forces.

Seven battleships had been lost during the engagement itself, and the battlecruiser Charles Fourier had become a victim of the Pyotr Velikiy before the run South had really begun in earnest. The two escaping battleships that made it back into the Mediterranean were subsequently destroyed by air attack, along with their screening destroyers.

In total, casualties from the battle for the red navies totaled eight capital ships, four light cruisers, thirty destroyers and a heavy cruiser. The defeat, and subsequent air-attacks, represented the near complete destruction of Commune naval power.

For the Imperial fleet, the battle delivered increased freedom of movement in the Mediterranean that was now only challenged by Republican air and naval assets on Malta and the surviving Italian air-forces on Sicily. It also, importantly, gave the Imperial navy some credence in domestic and international circles, where it had previously been looked on as a (very expensive) potential paper tiger that had yet to make any real contribution to the war.

Analysis of the battle began almost immediately on all sides (with Japanese, Austrian, and Canadian observers present on the Imperial ships). It was clear to all that the scenario which forced the battle had played into Imperial hands. The faster ships of the Commune navy had been forced to engage in a head-on gun battle rather than evade the fight. Those circumstances aside however, the Imperial super-heavies appeared to have been validated as a concept. The Pyotr I, Nikolai I, Ekaterina II, and Aleksandr I, had drawn a strict majority of all Commune and Italian capital ship fire during the battle, but suffered mostly superficial damage. With their anti-aircraft crews sheltered inside their armoured citadels, the ships had taken shell hit after shell hit without major reduction in their combat capabilities. Their eighteen inch guns had, in turn, proven capable of reducing opposing vessels to scrap in contemptuous disregard for their armoured protection.

Outside of these superheavies though, the battle also gave Saint-Petersburg reasons to be dissatisfied and sparked further debates in the naval staff.

The Ganguts, despite performing gloriously in their foray in gunning down a number of more modern opposing ships with their massed guns, also received blame and a critical eye. Even with their rebuilds, the ships were the slowest by far in the battlefleet, and hampered by questionable protection and limited range. The Ganguts had almost caused the Imperial fleet to miss their intercept entirely, and once the battle started to disperse, they had proved utterly powerless to pursue. Outside of the very specific circumstances at Gibraltar, the Ganguts were increasingly seen as an anchor being dragged behind the battlefleet. The navy thus started to seriously consider how quickly the ships could be replaced and relegated from the battleline.

There was also an obvious need for faster gun-ships. The Pyotr class vessels were needed to counter the perceived threat of the Chainbreaker class, as well as the new Browder class ships being laid down in America, but the proliferation of allied and opposing fast carrier units meant there was increasingly a call for speed as well as firepower and protection. Izmail and Rossiya, ancient as they were, clearly would not cut it for fast battlefleet service against the Republican Navy, and the Alexander II was barely fast enough, only one ship, and needed on the gunline.

The navy had won a strategic and public-relations victory at Gibraltar, but the fight over how its political capital would be best utilised would cause rolling battles in the halls of Saint Petersburg.

But for the Internationale, and the many thousands of sailors sent to the bottom of the Gibraltar straits and surrounding waters, such debates must have felt insultingly far removed. The Commune of France, once a broken nation, had built an army that had brought Germany to its knees, and was proud of a navy that it hoped would, eventually, challenge British dominance of the waves.

Instead, for the first time in history, it was the Russian navy that had thrown down the gauntlet of implied challenge to centuries of British naval dominance, the destruction of the French fleet being the opening argument of this Imperial challenge.


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Victory on the high seas! Congratulations to the Imperial Navy and its brave soldiers.

Also, marvelous writing. :D I think this is the best battleship action narrative that I have read in over 10 years on these forums.

I do wonder though, with battleships maybe still seen as war winning weapons, whether perhaps the Russian navy will be in for an epic defeat at the hands of land and carrier based aviation the next time they sail against Britain? Britain is an unsinkable aircraft carrier. And Browder's navy, a few years down the road, well who knows, maybe they realize that carriers can be built faster than battleships? And they have a lot of rebuilding to do.
 

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Well boys, we did it. The Marine Nationale de Peuple is no more.
Victory on the high seas! Congratulations to the Imperial Navy and its brave soldiers.

Also, marvelous writing. :D I think this is the best battleship action narrative that I have read in over 10 years on these forums.

I do wonder though, with battleships maybe still seen as war winning weapons, whether perhaps the Russian navy will be in for an epic defeat at the hands of land and carrier based aviation the next time they sail against Britain? Britain is an unsinkable aircraft carrier. And Browder's navy, a few years down the road, well who knows, maybe they realize that carriers can be built faster than battleships? And they have a lot of rebuilding to do.
In fairness, as I understand it Battleships were more useful in the North Sea than in the Pacific, given the close quarters involved. Battleships should be of more use against the RN as long as the battle doesn't take place in the open Atlantic. Though you're right, I could see the Cold War Imperial Navy investing more into battleships than is strictly appropriate.
 

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Well boys, we did it. The Marine Nationale de Peuple is no more.

In fairness, as I understand it Battleships were more useful in the North Sea than in the Pacific, given the close quarters involved. Battleships should be of more use against the RN as long as the battle doesn't take place in the open Atlantic. Though you're right, I could see the Cold War Imperial Navy investing more into battleships than is strictly appropriate.
If there's no great carrier battles across the Pacific Ocean - and the US Navy isn't ready for that, thile the UoB is concentrated in the Atlantic - then it's quite possible the future fleets will try to develop with both battleship and carrier elements being equally significant. It's certainly unlikely a carrier force could survive for long within range of large amounts of land-based air, but battleships are also a decent AA platform and might attract attention from the carriers. We'll see.

With regard to the battle, now would not be a good time, from the Imperial point of view, for Mosley's battlefleet to appear over the horizon.
 
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That was... *chef's kiss* beautiful. Well done, great descriptions! Poor communards, but that is what they get for taking on the Tsars.

As far as carriers vs battleships, there were IIRC battles in the Americas, where UoB carriers utterly decimated Canadian battleships. Or am I remembering things wrong?
 

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Victory on the high seas! Congratulations to the Imperial Navy and its brave soldiers.

Also, marvelous writing. :D I think this is the best battleship action narrative that I have read in over 10 years on these forums.

I do wonder though, with battleships maybe still seen as war winning weapons, whether perhaps the Russian navy will be in for an epic defeat at the hands of land and carrier based aviation the next time they sail against Britain? Britain is an unsinkable aircraft carrier. And Browder's navy, a few years down the road, well who knows, maybe they realize that carriers can be built faster than battleships? And they have a lot of rebuilding to do.

Thanks, that's high praise indeed because these forums produce some pretty good writing. If only there was a way to get people in the more travelled areas to notice this little blip of activity in the old DH forum!

As for future investments, this battle will absolutely set up a debate on future spending, but for the moment, the Imperial carrier arm is the larger, stronger, and faster expanding segment. The battleship fleet was sent South precisely because it was thought it could be 'spared' while the carriers kept playing cat and mouse with the RN. The question will be, how much effort should be diverted from a maximised carrier/escort effort in order to keep the battleship fleet functional. As this battle showed, the Ganguts probably need to be shelved soon for anything other than ground-pounding and they're 40 per cent of the battle-line.

And perhaps more importantly, if you are going to build battleships, do you want more Pyotr Velikiy types, rounding out a super-heavy battleline. Or do you want a new generation of fast battleships with as many AA mounts as you can fit to run with the carriers?

America is, last time i checked, doing 12 lines of carriers and 3 superheavy battleships, the Lenin, Marx, and Browder. So we may get alt-hist Montanas?

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Well boys, we did it. The Marine Nationale de Peuple is no more.

In fairness, as I understand it Battleships were more useful in the North Sea than in the Pacific, given the close quarters involved. Battleships should be of more use against the RN as long as the battle doesn't take place in the open Atlantic. Though you're right, I could see the Cold War Imperial Navy investing more into battleships than is strictly appropriate.

Berrens was trying to kill the battleships, but got pushed into building them because the yards, gun makers, and armour wrights were all there and ready to make battleships. Kerensky had been prepared to make world-beating battleships if the money ever came, so when money and a design became available, the navy built some battleships while making carriers on every other big slipway it could find.

He sent the battleships South because they could probably do the job, and so he wouldn't have to risk his beloved carriers in a channel dash.

The problem for him now that the battleships have actually DONE SOMETHING (while the carriers mostly just hide) is that the big gun advocates might have something to cite to keep funding flowing into the cold war era.

If there's no great carrier battles across the Pacific Ocean - and the US Navy isn't ready for that, thile the UoB is concentrated in the Atlantic - then it's quite possible the future fleets will try to develop with both battleship and carrier elements being equally significant. It's certainly unlikely a carrier force could survive for long within range of large amounts of land-based air, but battleships are also a decent AA platform and might attract attention from the carriers. We'll see.

With regard to the battle, now would not be a good time, from the Imperial point of view, for Mosley's battlefleet to appear over the horizon.

Thankfully for the Imperial battleships, once Gibraltar falls there's no way for the bulk of Mosley's navy to follow, only the subs and small units at Malta. They can patch up at Marseilles and then proceed into the Black Sea for more complete repairs if needed once the coast is clear (god I can see why Russia always wanted those straits).

Mosley seems more interested in guarding the home islands and completing the conquest of bits of the Caribbean anyway.

Japan meanwhile has their massive navy hunting down the dregs of the American Pacific fleet and pounding away at poor Formosa that will probably receive an amphibious landing soon.

The role of the battleship is less firmly decided than in our timeline I think. Carriers have pasted old battleship fleets on several occasions, but new generation big gun ships have also had their moments. There's also a stronger divergence becoming apparent between 'fast' battleships that hunt cruisers and which can escort carriers, and the superheavies people are building which are designed for the kind of brawl that just took place.

And you can bet that every interest group, admiral, or media columnist has their own idea of where the roubles/dollars should go.

That was... *chef's kiss* beautiful. Well done, great descriptions! Poor communards, but that is what they get for taking on the Tsars.

As far as carriers vs battleships, there were IIRC battles in the Americas, where UoB carriers utterly decimated Canadian battleships. Or am I remembering things wrong?

the Republican carriers have destroyed a Canadian force, then basically all of the exiled French navy. Mosley's fleet has killed around forty capital ships all up, with most of the work being done by those 4-5 fleet carriers that I haven't been able to find yet.

Germany, Canada, and Sand France all lost hard to carriers when they tried to fight them with old battleships. No one doubts the ability of well trained torpedo bomber pilots to put big ships on the bottom.

And thanks for the compliment, sorry i held the story up for a few days to make sure I got that chapter right.
 
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Hmmmm why do I have the feeling the Russians are going to keep battleships around and will eventually build Kirov style missile battlecruisers

Also TTL it seems like Russia is have more of a focus on surface fleets and less on subs. Is there any investment in the sub fleet
 

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Hmmmm why do I have the feeling the Russians are going to keep battleships around and will eventually build Kirov style missile battlecruisers

Also TTL it seems like Russia is have more of a focus on surface fleets and less on subs. Is there any investment in the sub fleet

Uhm, does buying some diesel fuel to keep the old WW1 era rust buckets running count as investment? If so, then there has absolutely been investment!

That's about as far as submarine advocates in the Navy have been able to get. Carriers get first appropriations, then escorts for the carriers, then the battleships (hence the battleships wondering if they can convince people to build escort battleships). Then support ships, then new furniture for the Naval offices, then a new paintjob for the cadet schools and eventually, after you've bought Admiral Berrens a new staff car, we might see about getting the sub corps some new boats.

Until then, at least they're really well trained! Compared to the Soviet Navy of 1941 OTL, I think we're short around 170 subs, and the quality of the ones we do have is lower. We're up 5 battleships and all the carriers though!

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Snapshot: The Chinese Complication

From: War, Tyranny, and Liberation

From the point that the last influence of the AoG was purged from Southern China by the resurgent Republic of China under the influence of the old KMT leadership, China had been held in a tense peace.

In Peking, the Manchu emperor chafed under the Zhili clique of generals and longed for a reconquest that would assert his mandate to rule and unite the people to a point where he could be rid of his military handlers.

In the South, the Republicans dreamed of crushing the Qing and the Zhili generals who were both the sword arm, and controlling force behind, the Qing.

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Both regimes dreamed of bringing the de facto self-governing Yunnan to heel and ending Long Yun’s stubborn control of the region.

Three factors kept the two major powers in their tense standoff.

The first was the relative military symmetry between the two powers. For years, neither could reliably conclude that war would bring victory, least of all an easy one, and caution thus reigned.

The second was economic. The disruption caused by the German collapse, American Civil War, and rising Japanese and Russian dominance in Asia both slowed the flow of arms and coin into Chinese treasuries and required the reconfiguration of governance and economic structures. War would likely have strained those disrupted systems to their limit.

Still, both sides would likely have taken a chance on victory if not for the third, and arguably decisive factors.

Russia and Japan.

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There was a concern, spoken and sometimes unspoken, in both North and South, that turning their forces on each other meant an unacceptable risk of Japanese or even potentially Russian intervention. Russia was seen as a hostile occupier of Manchuria in the East and huge tracts of Chinese claimed land in the North West. Japan meanwhile held positions in ready reach of Peking, and all of the old German and British colonial holdings, maintaining an army of nearly two hundred thousand in Haikou.

But with Russia and Japan engaged in a global war, with Russia sending its troops West and Japan massing for operations in Formosa while also guarding the Indian border with the Thai Empire, intervention seemed suddenly, shockingly, unlikely.

Added to this, the Qing Emperor and his loyal followers had gone about resolving both the domestic and foreign military challenges in the early 1940s. Evoking old ideas, the Qing royal apparatus had organised, and then (lightly) armed legions of paramilitary and militia units across their domain. These ranged from genuine Imperial loyalists to anti-western volunteers convinced that the Qing intended to throw the foreigners out of China, to those with less ideological reasons for joining the formations. Ethnic Manchus were rallied to volunteer in droves for their Emperor and the dream of a reunited China (and a few square meals a day) and by 1942, these units considerably outnumbered the regular Qing armies (still under the control of the clique) and provided the Government with increased military confidence, despite their questionable quality.

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So, with their army and paramilitaries prepared, and the Russians and Japanese distracted, the Qing Government, divided though it was, resolved to take the first critical step towards what it saw as inevitable reunification, demanding a series of concessions from the Government in Yunnan which would, if accepted, confirm the end of its de facto autonomy.

Long Yun and the Yunnan clique had always paid lip service to the Qing Government, but had grown used to their independence and the wealth, power, and influence that it afforded them. Suspicion ran deep, and there was little if any goodwill for Peking to draw on during negotiations. Instead, Yunnan prevaricate, forcing the Qing to issue a stark ultimatum and then, ultimately, announce the commencement of a ‘pacification’ campaign to return Imperial order to Yunnan.

The Republican Government of Southern China had been less confident in its military position than the Qing. They had a larger, more modern infantry army, but no equivalent to the loyal bands and militia of the Qing. War with Yunnan by the Qing however, left the Southern Government feeling as if it had run out of choices. Leaving Yunnan to be crushed would give the Qing an overwhelming advantage in resources and position for any future conflict. War had to come now.

The new Northern expedition was declared on 29 May 1942, two days after the commencement of hostilities against Yunnan by the Qing.

China, at least those parts of it not under foreign rule, were now in a state of civil war that would have profound impacts on the lives of the Chinese people and the health of the fragile Chinese economy.

For Japan and Russia, the war could not have been worse timed, or more unwelcome. Non-intervention was forced upon the Imperial powers at virtual gunpoint by their crushing array of competing strategic interests. Russia was still completing its conquests in Iberia and gearing up for a small invasion of Sicily, followed by the altogether larger undertakings of the French occupation and the campaign against Britain. Japan was less than three weeks away from its planned invasion of Formosa, and had been allocating troops for potential actions in India or, as the Russians favoured, against isolated areas of Alaska.

These plans would be sharply curtailed as the army felt obliged to reinforce the forces in Northern China, Haikou, Naoming, and Japan’s other major holdings, lest the war spill over or intervention become critically necessary. The fact the army would prefer conquest in China to a campaign in India (and favoured either of these over operations in the Americas) further complicated matters despite the seemingly obvious fact that America was a current enemy, while India and China were not.

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This movement of forces in turn meant Russia would either need to accept reduced pressure by its allies on Browder and a lesser deterrent force facing red India, or allocate more of its own precious forces to the Pacific.

As Tsar Vladimir is reported to have put it at the time “It is an immensely frustrating historical irony that our last, best hope to avoid a final defeat of Canada and its British crown has been frustrated not by the actions of any Syndicalist power, but by Qing China. I have been told that patience is considered an Imperial virtue in China. While I suspect the primary motivation is one of reunification, If this is some kind of deliberate vengeance on the part of the Qing against Britain, then I must conclude the current Monarch possesses this ‘virtue’ in outsized quantities.”
 
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Glad to see elements of the Chinese rework being retconned in. Ideally of course Russia will be able to reunite in time to support the losing side and keep China from being united.
 
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Hmmm... What goes around, comes around, eh? I am sure zero tears were cried in China over the impending demise of British power in North America.

Imperial north China vs Republican south China sounds like an even match. Excited to see how this will work out.

Good luck to whoever unites China! The empire, long united, must divide; long divided, it must unite.