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Yevardian

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Speaking on forming the Romania Tag, it is rather strange that forming the nation requires to player to control all of the Transylvania/Erdély region, considering that this area was not taken by Romania until after WW1, or more than 50 Years after the modern nation was formed by the united principalities. It's especially odd that Paradox would make this requirement as Romania is represented within its original borders in Victoria II. Also, with the latest update, holding Tolcu makes much more sense, and looks cleaner, than Silistre as a requirement.

Purely from a gameplay perspective, being able to form the Romania tag earlier would make more sense in this being the mechanism for permanent claims to Transylvania, as well as it potentially being a more useful vassal or ally a human playing a different tag, since the tag has quite strong manpower ideas.


For both historical and more importantly, gameplay reasons, I also propose moving Romanian Culture into the 'Byzantine' Culture-Group (along with Albanian), as this particular group has no relation to ethnicity or language (Gothic, Greek, Pontic) is very small group considering it represented a multinational empire, and there is a strongly argued theory that Romanians originally descended from Latin/Byzantine refugees from the Balkans. Even the name 'Romania' was originally a direct claim at inheritance of the Byzantine Legacy.
Hungarians and Romanians have very little in common, religiously, culturally, historically or linguistically, and Hungary never ruled directly over Romania or vice-versa. Hungary (and especially Transylvania) itself is for another post, there is so much missed potential for events and ideas here.

More pertinently to the game, the 'Dracula's Revenge' achievement requires the player to control the Balkans as Romania, all of which are outside of the fictional 'Carpathian' culture group. Similarly with Albania, which is incongruously included in 'South Slavic', which is now a very large group with the inclusion of 'Bosnian' and 'Slovene' cultures. For Albania, gameplay considerations require the player to expand east towards Georgia anyway, there's no good reason for Albania to expand north to fight Hungary or Austria.

So basically, I am proposing:

1. Remove the Transylvanian Provinces for forming Romania.
2. Move Romanian and Albanian into the 'Byzantine' Culture-Group.
 
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Okay I just finished a Romanian campaign a month ago, so here's my thoughts:

The decision to form Romania doesn't actually need you to control all of Transylvania, only two provinces (which realistically still means most of Transylvania). Just a small correction.

Tolcu is a great idea, enough said. I dealt with it by forming Romania and then releasing Bulgaria out of Silistre since I was playing tall, but yeah I don't think it's a solution that would appease everyone.

Moving it to Byzantine would be great too. It would somewhat keep Hungary and Poland/Lithuania from trying to conquer Romania and make southward expansion easier.
 
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Hungarians and Romanians have very little in common, religiously, culturally, historically or linguistically, and Hungary never ruled directly over Romania or vice-versa. Hungary (and especially Transylvania) itself is for another post, there is so much missed potential for events and ideas here.

Except that this is wrong, and romanian and hungarians did share a lot of culture and history, I do think romanian is better of in a balkan culture group (renamed south slavic). I feel carpathian is an acceptable grouping of culture although I could see it split up.

Albanian could be in either balkan group or byzantine, it's a bit splitting hairs, but the gameplay argument don't make sense, as you seem to be referring to an achievement which has nothing to do with the 'logical' expansion of albania. Same goes for romania as achievements is just osme fun meta, nothing which should affect game balance
 

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The wiki says you only need 1 core that is owned by hungary at game start to form Romania: the province of Maros.
I'm not sure why this one province is required, but it's definitely not the whole of Transylvania.

Regarding culture groups, I think carpathian is fine. After all the country is in the carpathian region. The wiki says that this grouping is not based on language and is more for gameplay purposes.