I defended it?
Where?
By putting 2 question signs after the word 'after'.
If so than that's it.
Have a nice day you too.
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Where?
By putting 2 question signs after the word 'after'.
If so than that's it.
Have a nice day you too.
Check the history log:
"1087-09-27 : October 28, 1087 : We liberated the province of Benghazi from Duchy of Cyrenaica"
Here Sterk paused
"1087-09-27 : October 28, 1087 : Ramadan Duke of Cyrenaica accepted peace with Galeazzo Duke of Campania on the following terms : Galeazzo Duke of Campania was given the following titles: Count of Benghazi, Syrte and Leptis Magna. Ramadan Duke of Cyrenaica paid 109 $ in indemnities."
So after I had taken all provinces of Cyrenaica, Sterk paused and took all the lands. And Leto says this is ok...
"1087-09-27 : October 28, 1087 : We liberated the province of Benghazi from Duchy of Cyrenaica"
Here Sterk paused
"1087-09-27 : October 28, 1087 : Ramadan Duke of Cyrenaica accepted peace with Galeazzo Duke of Campania on the following terms : Galeazzo Duke of Campania was given the following titles: Count of Benghazi, Syrte and Leptis Magna. Ramadan Duke of Cyrenaica paid 109 $ in indemnities."
So after I had taken all provinces of Cyrenaica, Sterk paused and took all the lands. And Leto says this is ok...
Jarkko Suvinen said:
It says nowhere in the history log that I paused because I paused once I had the provs. Now, it did all happen very quickly, but honestly Jarkko, I had no intention of exploiting and I don't believe I did (because I didn't do what you say above). Furthermore, you're outright lying when you said I took all the lands. I conquered two provinces, Leptis Magna and Syrte, you conquered two provinces, Benghazi and Tripolitana. I accepted peace with Cyrenaica for three provinces: Benghazi, Leptis Magna, and Syrte. So, therefore, if anything at all, I took a MAXIMUM of ONE province from you, not four. You know this, you saw me siege Leptis Magna and Syrte (that's why you rushed to Benghazi).
Oh and by the way Jarkko, I suggest you consider switching duchies because, after you quit and, on my request, we rehosted to wake the Tunis AI, I took Tunis and Tripolitana from your former duchy (as you had stated that you quit).
EDIT: And in reading your earlier posts I've discovered another lie. When I mobilized your troops were not in Cyrenaica yet. They were still moving, and I consider it completely fair for me to join in on your excommed-bashing.
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Jarrko, by chance that you're reading this, would you be interested in coming back and ruling in another duchy? Maybe somewhere in France?
binTravkin said:
October 28th according to Jark's supposed history log. I remember trying to make peace with Cyrenaica for Leptis Magna then suddenly seeing the warscore jump up to 216 as Jark captured Benghazi (although it might have been me capturing Syrte, not totally sure). I didn't know why it was 216 all of a sudden, but I immediately asked for the first three things listed in the peace screen which were Syrte, Benghazi, and Leptis Magna.
EDIT: Oh and Jark, I wouldn't need to pause if I was planning to exploit, I would have just had all three provs demanded in the peace screen, waited for you to capture Benghazi, then I would have instantly clicked the offer. Not to mention the fact that if I had planned this out/was exploiting I easily could have gotten Tripolitana as well.
Hmm, it's the first time I hear about warscore being updated on the run for the incorrect player..
Don't you think yourself, you only deserved 2 provs?
Didn't you know at the moment that you had only taken 2 provs and which ones?
Don't know about you guys, but Im here to play honorably as exploits don't work IRL.
This was an exploit, besides not an unwanted one - player knew he is taking province not owned by him.
I can hardly imagine how tunisians would liberate a fortress for italians just because the cyrenaicans (with whom Tunis is at war with) told so.
Don't you think yourself, you only deserved 2 provs?
Didn't you know at the moment that you had only taken 2 provs and which ones?
Don't know about you guys, but Im here to play honorably as exploits don't work IRL.
This was an exploit, besides not an unwanted one - player knew he is taking province not owned by him.
I can hardly imagine how tunisians would liberate a fortress for italians just because the cyrenaicans (with whom Tunis is at war with) told so.
Well then, perhaps we should make a new rule. Country A cannot take a province from Country B in a peace deal if said province is occupied by Country C in a peace deal unless Country C specifically allows Country A to do so. The only exception is if Country C occupies this province by a bug or is not at war with Country B (basically the same thing, both bugs). Countries A and C must be player countries for this rule to apply.
However, it seems to me that this rule would not satisfy Jarkko as he is complaining that I paused. It's not that I took a prov I didn't occupy, it's that he thinks I paused before the peace deal, which I did not do.
However, it seems to me that this rule would not satisfy Jarkko as he is complaining that I paused. It's not that I took a prov I didn't occupy, it's that he thinks I paused before the peace deal, which I did not do.
Don't bullshit. I had all provinces under siege, because I had destroyed their armies. Altough it's true that in the log there is no mentioning of my troops liberating Benghazi, as your duke stole the siege there.Sterkarm said:
And Sterk, there is no way in hell I will ever play in a game with you again. So stop dreaming, you little exploiting creep.
@Leto:
So do you approve the shit or not, huh?binTravkin said:
Jark, I'm not going to get involved in name-calling or anything of the like. I'm simply going to state the facts. If, as you just said, I captured Benghazi, then there is no basis to your claim of exploitation. Stealing sieges is part of CK and EU2, and that's what I did. I was not sure if I controlled Benghazi when I made peace, but now that you said I did, I am sure of it. Therefore, I did not exploit to take land from you because I took land that I had under my control. Yes, I stole the sieges from you, but I did have more men in some cases and regardless, siege stealing is part of the game. Now, I am absolutely positive I controlled Leptis Magna and Syrte when I made peace and, according to you, I also controlled Benghazi. Therefore, I took three provinces that I controlled. No exploitation there, just plain war.
I used to respect you and, quite frankly, admire/look up to you as a veteran of EU2 and there was a time when I would have been honored to play in a game with you. If, however, you blacklist players for outwitting you, then perhaps my respect was misplaced. After this display of intimidation, bullying, whining, name-calling, and lying, I am quite saddened.
I used to respect you and, quite frankly, admire/look up to you as a veteran of EU2 and there was a time when I would have been honored to play in a game with you. If, however, you blacklist players for outwitting you, then perhaps my respect was misplaced. After this display of intimidation, bullying, whining, name-calling, and lying, I am quite saddened.
Leto, I would very much appreciate it if, when you can, you would look in the history logs to show that I most certainly controlled Leptis Magna and Syrte and to determine whether or not I controlled Benghazi.
Doh. My log shows I did not liberate Syrte, I did liberate Benghazi. So you only took Syrte (where you landed your duke just moments before the fort fell). Stealing sieges I have no problem with, pause exploiting creeps I do have a problem with.
From the log:
"1087-07-23 : July 13, 1087 : We liberated the province of Tripolitania from Duchy of Cyrenaica"
"1087-09-2 : October 2, 1087 : We liberated the province of Leptis Magna from Duchy of Cyrenaica"
"1087-09-27 : October 28, 1087 : We liberated the province of Benghazi from Duchy of Cyrenaica"
So stop wriggling Sterk. You are an exploiting creep. Others may find that ok and continue playing with you, but I hate cheaters. I once in the past dumped you because of another of your dirty tricks, but then Patrucio talked me to give you another try. You had your other try, and this is the result.
From the log:
"1087-07-23 : July 13, 1087 : We liberated the province of Tripolitania from Duchy of Cyrenaica"
"1087-09-2 : October 2, 1087 : We liberated the province of Leptis Magna from Duchy of Cyrenaica"
"1087-09-27 : October 28, 1087 : We liberated the province of Benghazi from Duchy of Cyrenaica"
So stop wriggling Sterk. You are an exploiting creep. Others may find that ok and continue playing with you, but I hate cheaters. I once in the past dumped you because of another of your dirty tricks, but then Patrucio talked me to give you another try. You had your other try, and this is the result.
This is looking dirtier with each moment.
Snagging one province could be lived with, but if player snags 2 provinces whereas he himself only got 1 sieged, is unallowable.
And don't make a fool out of yourself Sterk - I have yet to see a player who does not know which siege is gonna be his and which not.
You're good player and noone believes if you say you don't know which of the provinces was actually besieged by you and which of the sieges had one of your characters as siege leader.
Leto should be having a mention in his log about Jarkko taking his provinces.
If he hasn't, Jarrko should send his log so we can see haven't he modified it and if indeed those 3 lines are true..
The problem is not so much in count of provinces or the power they yield.
The problem is in gameplay.
We all know, all games have bugs and exploits, which by their nature are unrealistic.
We all are here to play out or countries, evolve them into empires, basically - have some fun.
If someone nearby is playing not by the same rules, the fun is ruined.
Snagging one province could be lived with, but if player snags 2 provinces whereas he himself only got 1 sieged, is unallowable.
And don't make a fool out of yourself Sterk - I have yet to see a player who does not know which siege is gonna be his and which not.
You're good player and noone believes if you say you don't know which of the provinces was actually besieged by you and which of the sieges had one of your characters as siege leader.
Leto should be having a mention in his log about Jarkko taking his provinces.
If he hasn't, Jarrko should send his log so we can see haven't he modified it and if indeed those 3 lines are true..
The problem is not so much in count of provinces or the power they yield.
The problem is in gameplay.
We all know, all games have bugs and exploits, which by their nature are unrealistic.
We all are here to play out or countries, evolve them into empires, basically - have some fun.
If someone nearby is playing not by the same rules, the fun is ruined.
This whole incident is making me so angry it is affecting my work. Stupid, I know, to get fuming for a game. I'll ask the admins to ban me for a week, perhaps that is enough to cool me down a bit.
See you around.
See you around.
Frankly sterk took those provinces fair and square. I distinctly remember him asking what determined the leader of a seige. And when two dukes are in the seige the one with more duke titles wins. Sterk had 3(Sicily, Roma, Campania) and Jarkko had 1 iirc(only Tunis). Sterk effectivly 'stole' the seiges. How many I'm not certain.
As well, to my knowledge, sterk did not pause to offer peace to them. I only saw him pause AFTER he had made peace. This is when jarkko threw a fit. And as sterk pointed out pausing wouldn't be required to force them peace. Even if he controlled NO provinces he could still ask(and recive) ALL of them as long as he had a claim and the AI held no land of its own. I do this all the time when my king has stolen one of my seiges when in SP.
Now I am away from my computer and thus the save game and cannot check the history log to verfy or deny jarkkos claim. I'm having car trouble and I'm stranded in San Antonio right now so I don't know when I will be able to look at the log.
Unless some one wants to send the history log to my e-mail.
If Jarkko cools off by next session he can join us again. But preferably some where FAR from Sterk. If not, well all the better not having someone who trys to force the hosts hand with threats of quiting. I DO NOT like that Jarkko.
As well, to my knowledge, sterk did not pause to offer peace to them. I only saw him pause AFTER he had made peace. This is when jarkko threw a fit. And as sterk pointed out pausing wouldn't be required to force them peace. Even if he controlled NO provinces he could still ask(and recive) ALL of them as long as he had a claim and the AI held no land of its own. I do this all the time when my king has stolen one of my seiges when in SP.
Now I am away from my computer and thus the save game and cannot check the history log to verfy or deny jarkkos claim. I'm having car trouble and I'm stranded in San Antonio right now so I don't know when I will be able to look at the log.
Unless some one wants to send the history log to my e-mail.
If Jarkko cools off by next session he can join us again. But preferably some where FAR from Sterk. If not, well all the better not having someone who trys to force the hosts hand with threats of quiting. I DO NOT like that Jarkko.