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I'd agree here.
That is good.
Btw, here is a new idea I have made this type of random events for heresy in all nations. They will look like this and are specific from religion to religion:
Code:
event = {
id = 135301
trigger = {
flag = Heresy
flag = Mesopotamia
NOT = { provincereligion = { province = -1 data = reformed } }
NOT = { religion = reformed }
}
random = yes
name = "EVENTNAME_Heretics"
desc = "EVENTHIST_Heretics"
style = 1
action_a = {
name = "OK"
command = { type = provincereligion which = -3 value = reformed }
}
}Now I will have flags for heresy so the events will only trigger if the nation has been hit be heresy. And the religions which can be converted to needs to be limited to fitting religions in the specific area like Chalcedonian can convert to Sunni, Shiite, Assyrian and Oriental Orthodox via heresy, but this only happens if the nation is Chalcedonian.
Any ideas are welcome from all.
Well the Umayyads will only have Arabic as their national culture so it does not matter. The reason for this is that I did mention it: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9587045&postcount=901 and there was no response and I did not know how to split Persian so if you have any better ideas than I am all ears.
my fault than. Sorry, I was bit too busy recently...
will say more later today/tomorrow
so we all are in agreement, greatI'd agree here
out of those 3 almost equal this one was little more preferred over the others
I was too busy, and it seems I will be this week - (too many RL issues) so I will write more about the proposal for Persia sometimes later this week.
Okay no problem, I will finish the country setup and then add more random events for religion and cultures and then add historical events.
That is good.
Btw, here is a new idea I have made this type of random events for heresy in all nations. They will look like this and are specific from religion to religion:
Code:event = { id = 135301 trigger = { flag = Heresy flag = Mesopotamia NOT = { provincereligion = { province = -1 data = reformed } } NOT = { religion = reformed } } random = yes name = "EVENTNAME_Heretics" desc = "EVENTHIST_Heretics" style = 1 action_a = { name = "OK" command = { type = provincereligion which = -3 value = reformed } } }
Now I will have flags for heresy so the events will only trigger if the nation has been hit be heresy. And the religions which can be converted to needs to be limited to fitting religions in the specific area like Chalcedonian can convert to Sunni, Shiite, Assyrian and Oriental Orthodox via heresy, but this only happens if the nation is Chalcedonian.
Any ideas are welcome from all.
Well primarily there were three forms of heresy that the Catholic church went after. Christological heresy, Gnostic heresy and Schismatic heresy.
For instance oriental orthodox nations, from a Catholic point of view, are heretics due to their Christology. The Assyrian Church of the East is similar though the issue of whether the Nestorians were even heretics or not is actually much debated, and their split was more politics than anything. For people like Arians or Johnists who completely deny the divinity of Christ the thing to do would be convert the province to Monotheism.
Gnostic heresy is basically the introduction of Dualist religious ideas from Zoroastrian or Manichean religion, and folk like the Bogumils or Cathars should be handled by converting the area to Dualism.
Muslims in turn have essentially two kinds of heresy. One is Rashidun heresy and has to do with which of the first few Caliphs were Rashidun or "rightly guided" Caliphs. Shi'ites believe that no Caliphs after 'Ali ibn Abu Talib were Rashidun, and Ibadis believe that no Caliphs after Muawiyah (his immediate successor) were Rashidun. Rashidun heresy should convert the province or country to Shi'ite. The second form is Prophet heresy, where someone proclaims themselves to be another Prophet or Messenger of Allah, and writes a new book to either replace or add to the Qu'ran. While the folks who do this usually self-identify as Muslims, they are usually not recognized as such and it should just result in conversion to Monotheism.
Yes that is almost the same thing as I ended up with. Abrahamic religions should be able to have heresy which converts to dualism. Though these random heresies shall still be limited by the factors I wrote earlier.
But any ideas what should be done to Dharma ? Maybe make Hinduism to Polytheism? From Afghanistan and eastwards all nation are Dharma atm.
Dharmic religions don't have the same issues with heresy that Abrahamic religions have, because they themselves don't subscribe to the idea of a monopoly on salvation, seeing themselves merely as the best 'vehicle' for the aforementioned.
Likewise Pagans will happily absorb or identify their gods with other religion's deities and thus have very few issues with doctrinal conflict.
Taoism, which is basically Chinese neo-polytheism, ended up simply absorbed by Dharmic philosophy and religious ideas, and the Chinese pantheon of gods, without contradiction.
In point of fact, I made "folk religion" (Paganism) seperate from Polytheism due to the extremely negative effects that Paganism has in EU2 and that Polytheistic nations should not be penalized for in this era, as the hardcoded penalties for Pagan in EU2 are meant to represent Native Americans and the like. Folk religion should really only be used for simple societies that were obliterated by their conquerors.
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Hmm okay then I need to change some things. I made Tengriism Folk Religion, but I did not like for instance Khazars and Bulgars being that.. Maybe Gokturks could still be that. If any power can control all their provinces they would fall.
Excellent progress guys!
I just have something to lament about the cultures:
1. I don't think it's realistic to cover all of Palestine and most of Egypt with the Arabic culture. By 711, the initial Muslim conquest was only 60 to 70 years away, so most provinces in these regions should still be Syrian or Coptic, except for a few provinces where the Arab military-settlers founded their own cities (Fustat, Kairouan) ...
2. Northern France should definitely not be Frankish. It was ruled by the Franks, but the population was overwhelmingly Gallo-Roman. The language barrier between Latin/German didn't change much until today ...
The southern Netherlands, including Flanders should be Frankish, northern France Gallo-Roman. This map should give you an idea on where the line between Roman and Germanic language/culture ran after the Great Migrations and still runs:
3. AFAIK the Burgundians and the Lombards never outnumbered the natives either. So there should in fact be no provinces with Burgundian or Lombard culture. For the sake of historicity, the state should carry these cultures though.
4. There was a similar situation in the realms of the Avars and Bulgars. A relatively small elite of Avar/Bulgar tribesmen ruled over a Slavic population, so most or all of these provinces should in fact be Slavonic.
I just have something to lament about the cultures:
1. I don't think it's realistic to cover all of Palestine and most of Egypt with the Arabic culture. By 711, the initial Muslim conquest was only 60 to 70 years away, so most provinces in these regions should still be Syrian or Coptic, except for a few provinces where the Arab military-settlers founded their own cities (Fustat, Kairouan) ...
2. Northern France should definitely not be Frankish. It was ruled by the Franks, but the population was overwhelmingly Gallo-Roman. The language barrier between Latin/German didn't change much until today ...
The southern Netherlands, including Flanders should be Frankish, northern France Gallo-Roman. This map should give you an idea on where the line between Roman and Germanic language/culture ran after the Great Migrations and still runs:
3. AFAIK the Burgundians and the Lombards never outnumbered the natives either. So there should in fact be no provinces with Burgundian or Lombard culture. For the sake of historicity, the state should carry these cultures though.
4. There was a similar situation in the realms of the Avars and Bulgars. A relatively small elite of Avar/Bulgar tribesmen ruled over a Slavic population, so most or all of these provinces should in fact be Slavonic.
You make a point, but having all these cultures without any provinces seems a bit weird.. Could you make a draft of these changes on the culture map?
Oh and should Neustria for instance have Frankish as primary and then Gallo-Roman as secondary?
Oh and should Neustria for instance have Frankish as primary and then Gallo-Roman as secondary?
I think you are being too generous to the roman area.
with this map
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wggerman/map/salians.htm
the salians clearly had the northeast of italy. Since they where are branch of the franks, i suggest you stretch the lombard to cover this area as the lombards where also germanic
on Majorca. it was greek as well as sardinia was greek, part of the early byzantinian rule
I've never heard before that Majorca or Sardinia were inhabitated by Greeks during the Early Middle Ages. The native population was of "Roman" or "Ibero-Roman" culture. They spoke and still speak Romance languages.
And again, political rule has nothing to do with culture. I'm sure there were Lombard settlements in Northern Italy, but the native (Roman) population was the overwhelming majority. This was the case in almost every Germanic kingdom on previously Roman soil.
And again, political rule has nothing to do with culture. I'm sure there were Lombard settlements in Northern Italy, but the native (Roman) population was the overwhelming majority. This was the case in almost every Germanic kingdom on previously Roman soil.
I am not trying to be a pain, just trying to help.
On this what about the Avars
as per map
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Balkans.jpg
The map represent 600AD
this site below might help, it also has the kings of the early middle ages
http://www.friesian.com/germania.htm
This is good.
But I think Avars and Carinthians should be merged with Pannonian Slavs instead of Slavonic. And Würzburg should be Thuringian.
This is good.
Würzburg is definitely Frankish (still today
). The Carinthians are the ancestors of today's Slovenes and as such more closely related to their South Slavic "brothers" than the West Slavic inhabitants of present day Slovakia and northern Hungary.
Anyway it's difficult since there was a seamless transition between the South, East and the West Slavs at that time until the Hungarians and others split them apart.
Hello. I have a question, sorry, if not in a theme. How you in creation of this excellent map, have bypassed one problem of editing the map.
When you look a card through the program "mview"
That the line is visible crossing it violet dotted. (It passes in your card through Norway-Denmark and further)
And adjoining to it the square is not allocated, for further editing.
Tell, how you could bypass this problem?
In advance thanks.
PS. I am sorry for bad English. I write through online translator.
When you look a card through the program "mview"
That the line is visible crossing it violet dotted. (It passes in your card through Norway-Denmark and further)
And adjoining to it the square is not allocated, for further editing.
Tell, how you could bypass this problem?
In advance thanks.
PS. I am sorry for bad English. I write through online translator.