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Are you guys gonna rehost for me or what? I crashed in October...
Come on, the rules are rehost NEXT January. I crashed in late 1419 and you're still playing. You definitely have gone way past Jan 1420.
Come on, the rules are rehost NEXT January. I crashed in late 1419 and you're still playing. You definitely have gone way past Jan 1420.
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First of all..
OK I'm gonna play Grenada, or Qara Koyunla, or even Byzantium but I can't make it to play so nobody can attack me. I had enough warscore to vassalize Burgundy what should I do fight for no gain? I recieved my cores in the peace and it's bs anyway.
Second of all...
I asked at the start of the last reload who wasn't playing. Stressed the question several times and I was told Japan. So I make all my preperations for war 2.5 years later and declare. Now I get told there is no England player although I haven't seen him leave. Even if he did, is that the universal way to stay safe? I'm trying to gather my cores but I can't because England decides he wants to leave. bs
Third of all...
I don't appreciate the rudeness.
OK I'm gonna play Grenada, or Qara Koyunla, or even Byzantium but I can't make it to play so nobody can attack me. I had enough warscore to vassalize Burgundy what should I do fight for no gain? I recieved my cores in the peace and it's bs anyway.
Second of all...
I asked at the start of the last reload who wasn't playing. Stressed the question several times and I was told Japan. So I make all my preperations for war 2.5 years later and declare. Now I get told there is no England player although I haven't seen him leave. Even if he did, is that the universal way to stay safe? I'm trying to gather my cores but I can't because England decides he wants to leave. bs
Third of all...
I don't appreciate the rudeness.
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is the session over? I just got back I hate my life sometimes. Im asusming Nagel subbed me and I hope everything went smoothly.
And I am sorry you feel that way Armour attack, but I cannot remember insulting you and I do not think insulting me or my family is a good reaction to it.
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Dear ArmorAttak
Firstly, we told you MORE THEN ONCE, not to do that, or this, and you still did. Everyone KNEW the english player was gone, and with these rehosts, we had to ghost him. You attacked a ghost and a human country that was AIed. I told you not to, but you still did. 2 times consecutively, even against what i said.
Secondly, this is not league of champions, and i am not tolerating such horrors that hapened in that game, such as seeing people dowing ghosted countries. You will be punished for this, that is for sure. If you or anyone else does this, they will be instant banned, as it says in the rules. No more mercy for anyone.
Lastly, yes, my comments werent very nice, but since you didnt hear me at first, or at my second attempt, i had to write in "Caps lock" (not really, since i never use it, i always use shift)
EDITED: But i DID not insult you, in any way. Else i would be breaking my own rules.
Firstly, we told you MORE THEN ONCE, not to do that, or this, and you still did. Everyone KNEW the english player was gone, and with these rehosts, we had to ghost him. You attacked a ghost and a human country that was AIed. I told you not to, but you still did. 2 times consecutively, even against what i said.
Secondly, this is not league of champions, and i am not tolerating such horrors that hapened in that game, such as seeing people dowing ghosted countries. You will be punished for this, that is for sure. If you or anyone else does this, they will be instant banned, as it says in the rules. No more mercy for anyone.
Lastly, yes, my comments werent very nice, but since you didnt hear me at first, or at my second attempt, i had to write in "Caps lock" (not really, since i never use it, i always use shift)
EDITED: But i DID not insult you, in any way. Else i would be breaking my own rules.
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About the Golden Horde thing, may I please hear both sides version of the event?
Was a great session for Venice, low inflation, pretty good income and rather big MP.
Was a great session for Venice, low inflation, pretty good income and rather big MP.
ArmorAttak, do not insult other people's mothers. If your mother taught you to respect people, yet you would "attack" someone in real life if they insulted you, clearly you're letting her down.
Here's my side, Abs:
Ego was fighting Golden Horde, so to make sure he didn't take territory all the way to Sarai, I decided to fight GH as well. I invaded, didn't call allies (Muscowy was in pretty bad financial shape, didn't want GH invading them), and started sieging provinces. Now, as I was sieging Sarai, Ego stole the siege with his monarch, causing me to DOW Timurids.
Long story short, I managed to fight back and take Sarai and whatnot, but Ego vassalized GH in the process, meaning Muscowy and Poland (Muscowy DOWed later on) could not take anything from GH (cause we are at war with Tims).
Here's my side, Abs:
Ego was fighting Golden Horde, so to make sure he didn't take territory all the way to Sarai, I decided to fight GH as well. I invaded, didn't call allies (Muscowy was in pretty bad financial shape, didn't want GH invading them), and started sieging provinces. Now, as I was sieging Sarai, Ego stole the siege with his monarch, causing me to DOW Timurids.
Long story short, I managed to fight back and take Sarai and whatnot, but Ego vassalized GH in the process, meaning Muscowy and Poland (Muscowy DOWed later on) could not take anything from GH (cause we are at war with Tims).
Well, i started out by dowing an indian minor, that had very high relations with GH and Kasak horde, meaning, they would join. Vassalized Kasak horde in a hurry, followed by that indian minor, and then moved to Golden Horde. Conquered all the way to Astrakhan, and Poland then DoWed together with Muscowy. That was cheap, because GH army had been kind of totaly screwed by me (who had been already at 10 years or so at war). He starts taking all western provs because they were defenseless, and i, to counter this insane abuse use Shah Rukh to steal sieges (which is totaly permited, see rules).
Resuming, when i end vassalizing GH as i wanted, i am called a cheap bastard that abuses exploits. I dowed GH Long before either of them, and had intention of vassalizing them (together with the indian minor and kasak horde). I do not see what is the problem of this. In any case, Poland and Muscow should have think twice before dowing me (if they didnt, they could peace GH). Now i refuse to give land that belongs to my vassal. I wasted too much cash on this "SP venture" like Sterkarm said, to simply give up the vassalage, just because they dowed AFTER i did.
Lastly, i did NOT abuse the game engine, since it was my intention to vassalize them long before the war ever started. Not my fault that Poland decides to dow them out of thin air (when they have already been beated by me).
Resuming, when i end vassalizing GH as i wanted, i am called a cheap bastard that abuses exploits. I dowed GH Long before either of them, and had intention of vassalizing them (together with the indian minor and kasak horde). I do not see what is the problem of this. In any case, Poland and Muscow should have think twice before dowing me (if they didnt, they could peace GH). Now i refuse to give land that belongs to my vassal. I wasted too much cash on this "SP venture" like Sterkarm said, to simply give up the vassalage, just because they dowed AFTER i did.
Lastly, i did NOT abuse the game engine, since it was my intention to vassalize them long before the war ever started. Not my fault that Poland decides to dow them out of thin air (when they have already been beated by me).
Well, here is the Muscowian side.
After I was vassalized I tried to recover, after a year or so Poland dows GH, I join in and try to take my cores in northern GH. Soon I see Timurids are in a war aswell and they started stealing my sieges. After Poland got annoyed, they DOWed Timurids and then Timurids peace and get GH as a vassal. I now control northern GH, and would like to peace but Timurids don't want to peace so I can't peace with GH.
I believe EGO abused the game engine, vassalizing GH which infact disables Polish-Muscowian coalition from advancing in that direction (because we need to dow the overlord and defeat them to get peace with GH).
After I was vassalized I tried to recover, after a year or so Poland dows GH, I join in and try to take my cores in northern GH. Soon I see Timurids are in a war aswell and they started stealing my sieges. After Poland got annoyed, they DOWed Timurids and then Timurids peace and get GH as a vassal. I now control northern GH, and would like to peace but Timurids don't want to peace so I can't peace with GH.
I believe EGO abused the game engine, vassalizing GH which infact disables Polish-Muscowian coalition from advancing in that direction (because we need to dow the overlord and defeat them to get peace with GH).
Infact, you are abusing the game engine, refusing to peace with me infact locks me in this war forever. I won my northern provinces fair, and with my armies and I want them to bring in the profits I fought for. Just because you wanted to vassalize them before does not mean you should be able to make them inpenetrable.
Yea, you DoW him when i got already 60 WS on them... I abuse the game engine, no doubt... vassalization just required 70 WS, and the AI agreed to it when it reached 72 WS.
I just needed to take the goddamn capital, and when i did, Poland dowed me. Sterk knew that was coming, that was why. You "wanted" to take your cores. Well, next time dont let this kind of thing happen.
I just needed to take the goddamn capital, and when i did, Poland dowed me. Sterk knew that was coming, that was why. You "wanted" to take your cores. Well, next time dont let this kind of thing happen.
Look, i crushed GH even before you joined. Saying that you took the provinces in a fair fight is a joke. All you did was leaving 5k man to besiege these provinces. Dont make me laugh Saber.
So according to you, your vassal GH won't give any provinces to Muscowy or Poland and we need to defeat you militarily to get any provinces from them? So infact you are blocking my way to Siberia, you are also making a huge country completely safe from other influences. Infact we could end up with GH still in place in game end if you wanted it that way (and no one forced you otherwise). We can't get forced peace (+99WS, -3 stab, ...) because it won't accept the peace, and you can't expect anyone conquers your country this soon.
I really think that is really lame, and I believe that should be changed (in the game engine that is).
I really think that is really lame, and I believe that should be changed (in the game engine that is).
BurningEGO said:
I had no idea you wanted to vassalize GH. I thought you were going to try to either turboannex or just take a bunch of provs.
BurningEGO said:
Is this the only rule that concerns this situation. If yes, there is nothing here that tells that you cannot peace a vassalized nation if you are at war with them. The only thing that is forbidden, is to DoW a vassalized country whose liege is human.
Also there is nothing in the rules that obliges one to first win the war against the liege and then peace the vassalized country.
I am not an expert though. I am just quoting the rules.
I am not an expert though. I am just quoting the rules.
Oh man... I got to write every, basic, rule, that one knows? If you cant dow a vassal before dowing the liege, that means you cant peace the vassal, either (before the liege). It is such a basic rule that doesnt even need to be explained.
Next time when i GM, i will make rules so basic, that even the most moronic player will understand them.
Next time when i GM, i will make rules so basic, that even the most moronic player will understand them.
I think the game engine won't allow that kind of peace. Just to force vassals to fight for their liege. But it is really lame in this situation, because GH is huge, and blocks my path to siberia.
If you were fair, you would take your bite out of GH and leave the rest to us, or fight us till you occupied all of it. But just vassalizeing is really lame.
We did jump in when it was appropiate, but is it illegal? no, BB did the same thing to Austria. It happens all the time in MP, people go to war when they see a good situation.
Ok, now you are calling us moronic, nice of you mr GM
If you were fair, you would take your bite out of GH and leave the rest to us, or fight us till you occupied all of it. But just vassalizeing is really lame.
We did jump in when it was appropiate, but is it illegal? no, BB did the same thing to Austria. It happens all the time in MP, people go to war when they see a good situation.
Ok, now you are calling us moronic, nice of you mr GM
No, i am not calling you Moronic. I am speaking in general. I didnt call anyone moronic in here. If you think you are one, thats not my fault. I never spoke about names, did i?