Okay, small gripes thread. Here are my two small gripes, other free to gripe.

[hashinshin]

1. The Iroquois went to +1 from +5 on diplomatic reputation. All other sources of +5 went to +2.

2. Theocracies did not gain -autonomy per month, all other special governments did. This means theocracies will fall off by mid-late game.

3. Byzantine three prong nerf attack.

 

[Phibs]

Three prong?

Accepted culture, government and ?
Those are the only two I can think of right now.

 

[hashinshin]

Three prong?

Accepted culture, government and ?
Those are the only two I can think of right now.

Removal of cores, Ottomans enforce their warning now (instead of it being meaingless), and Mamluks guaranteeing Cyprus day 0 and enforcing it. You can also argue that the AI Ottomans building 50-70 ships is a nerf to Byzantine.

 

[Phibs]

Removal of cores?
I honestly haven't checked that area out much yet post-AOW.
Do they have fewer cores now? If so: BOOOO!

 

[deezee]

Removal of cores, Ottomans enforce their warning now (instead of it being meaingless), and Mamluks guaranteeing Cyprus day 0 and enforcing it. You can also argue that the AI Ottomans building 50-70 ships is a nerf to Byzantine.

Considering that Byzantium was nowhere close to having naval superiority over the Ottomans in 1444, it may be a nerf, but a very justified one.

 

[hashinshin]

Considering that Byzantium was nowhere close to having naval superiority over the Ottomans in 1444, it may be a nerf, but a very justified one.

Ottomans actually building a navy would be a lot easier to swallow if they also didn't remove any route for Byzantine to expand other than directly in to the Ottomans by removal of cores.

It's a very frustrating thing, especially considering there is a DLC that I bought specifically to play the Byzantines.

 

[Clownie]

Tibet also went from +5 to +1, which made Tibetan ideas even more shit.

The Muslim world received a wonderful cultural overhaul, but Iberia was made even worse — Basque is now in the Iberian group. Why, why, why? Andalusian should be with the Berbers, and Basque should be unique if Hungarian is.

 

[Phibs]

Which cores were removed?

 

[oblio-]

Tibet also went from +5 to +1, which made Tibetan ideas even more shit.

Tibetan ideas are bad? Son, Tibetan ideas are some of the best outside of Europe!

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Which cores were removed?

Just offhand: Cyprus, Crete, Trebizond, Rhodes. I'm missing one or two. I've heard you can release and declare on Athens, but that seems a bit dangerous although since they ally Cyprus you can probably nab Cyprus that way.

However, in my test game I just rolled up a good admiral, waited until Ottos split up their navy, stuck my navy on top of half of theirs that didn't have an admiral, and declared. Having an admiral makes short work of no admiral, and the other half of their fleet wasn't big enough to break the blockade on the strait. You can get enough galleys without going loan heavy if you sit on 0 maintenance.

 

[unmerged(318660)]

- Ryukyu has now a *guaranteed* negative event within the first 10 days of every 1444 start. For anyone who likes to test around randomness -> start a few Ryukyu saves.
- Superiority wars don't list little fights as relevant for warscore anymore, I was really surprised when I saw that wondering why my warscore isn't ticking up.

 

[Mikalos]

Ottomans actually building a navy would be a lot easier to swallow if they also didn't remove any route for Byzantine to expand other than directly in to the Ottomans by removal of cores.

It's a very frustrating thing, especially considering there is a DLC that I bought specifically to play the Byzantines.

and 10 years from earliest start they got conquered into said empire; you cant expect paradox to buff them just so some players can from the brink easier

 

[Phibs]

Yikes. That blows.
What was the reasoning behind removing those cores?

 

[hashinshin]

and 10 years from earliest start they got conquered into said empire; you cant expect paradox to buff them just so some players can from the brink easier

Buff them? start by not nerfing them. Nobody wanted buffs, just not across the board nerfs.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

and 10 years from earliest start they got conquered into said empire; you cant expect paradox to buff them just so some players can from the brink easier

Irrational point/logical fallacy. Nobody said anything about buffing them, they complained about a nerf.

 

[KungDenzel]

I noticed allies can force your stack to assault with them, almost lost an important war because of that, guess that isnt new to AoW though

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I noticed allies can force your stack to assault with them, almost lost an important war because of that, guess that isnt new to AoW though

It needs to be patched out. The player can do this too, for example you can take siege lead of a province before France gets to its claims with a horse unit, and repeatedly assault its infantry to death.

Only units explicitly attached should participate in an assault.

 

[TyrannisUmbra]

For everyone complaining about sources of diplo rep being reduced, you have to remember that they changed it so each point of diplo rep is worth more now.

 

[unmerged(303856)]

Assuming bugs don't qualify for the list:

1. Setting subject/ally priorities and behaviors in war is very inconsistent, almost to the point that I'm not sure it is actually doing anything. This is particularly true of marking siege goals, which the AI seems to have no interest in prioritizing.

2. Sorties should not cost monarch points at all, and they certainly shouldn't be this expensive.

3. Quality did not need a nerf to its discipline bonus. If anything, the group needed a general buff. I don't understand the thought process behind making the discipline bonus from an idea group that is exclusively dedicated to improving military quality equal to that of the offensive group, which is more about leadership than it is elite soldiers.

 

[Kh3lben]

Small gripes that kind of break immersion though

a) National monuments not visible in any mapmode other than the terrain one

b)The sprite that represents temples in orthodox provinces.I understand you were going for the Kievan Rus architecture onion domes but seeing them in Byz/Serbian lands is kind of meh.Especially looking @ Constantinople is cringe worthy.The bloody thing looks as if Selim II has already built the minarets around it.

c)Chinese tech group :angry: