Oirats just vassalized Muscovy

[Junuxx]

Ok so I beat the Russians up a bit. Might have drained their manpower. Maybe cut them in half and drove their WE to the roof. But they are still very big and I did nothing to help out the Oirats. They just showed up at the Volga. Oh hi, Europe!

I'm not sure what to do about them, because I was planning to take Muscovy's European territory and just a couple of the provinces now owned by the Oirats. But I don't want to bring the Oirats down completely, I think their empire is pretty damn cool! Sadly I think it might be impossible for me to take a few of their provinces without causing them to collapse?

Anyway, anyone seen AI Oirats this succesful/this far West? I'm glad they didnt do this in my Mongolia run!

 

[grommile]

Presumably you're the Polthuanian blob?

 

[MadDjinn]

I saw this in a game where Muscovy collapsed under pressure from GH and Novgorod (no player interventions).

unfortunately for the Oirat the designers didn't think it was a good idea to give them an idea group so that they could reform as an AI.

 

[Junuxx]

Presumably you're the Polthuanian blob?

Yup. But I'm trying to limit my blobbing; HRE-Danube-Black Sea-Caucasus-Volga-Kama were basically the borders I had set myself to. And then these guys from the east messed up my plan

 

[Panzerschiffe]

They're an unreformed horde so they shouldn't be too scary mid game and beyond.

In my Ottoman game where I broke up Muscovy, Oirat ate up half of Ming and all of Uzbek. They were huge!

 

[Nikolaj-11]

I've seen it once in a very odd game.

First Chagtai or whatever their name is grows extremely large and swallows most of non-persia timurids and most of Oirat. Then they get beat up by rebels, Nogai and Persia and are forced to spit out Oirats lands again. Then Oirat attacks Chagtai and swallows them.

Meanwhile Muscovy was being beat up in a three way war where they start out with attacking a Sweden, Commonwealth attacks them, and then they for some reason accept a defensive call from Georgia against the Ottomans who bring in Crimea.

After all that Oirat basically picked up the pieces of what had once been Muscovy. If i remember correctly they were forced to release Perm, Kazan and Sibir and split in half like in your pic OP. I think they were a little father east in their colonial race though.

I was playing as a westernized colonizing Ethiopia.

 

[Kansai-kun]

Ok so I beat the Russians up a bit. Might have drained their manpower. Maybe cut them in half and drove their WE to the roof. But they are still very big and I did nothing to help out the Oirats. They just showed up at the Volga. Oh hi, Europe!

"Oh no, not again!"

 

[Hakuromatsu]

Keep the horde nerfs coming, Paradox. This is unacceptable

 

[nicechinos]

AI Muscovy is pathetic in 1.8. No challenge at all.

 

[Kansai-kun]

Keep the horde nerfs coming, Paradox. This is unacceptable

Hordes are strong in the early game, but push-overs later on. In my current game most of the hordes were crushed by their neighbours while Sibir managed to survive long enough to westernise.

AI Muscovy is pathetic in 1.8. No challenge at all.

It's a mixed bag - I just saw them form Russia.

 

[matk]

Probably one of the side effects of the local autonomy system: I bet lots of Muscovy's provinces are at 75+ autonomy -> meaning they're cheap in warscore. In my Bahamis game, I was able to vassal Vijayanagar outright because they lost a long war (no manpower, high WE, unrest everywhere) to Orissa + Malwa.

I saw something similar in my PLC game a ways back: I vassalized a reduced Novgorod with the intention to feed back its cores from Muscovy. After 2 ways vs. Muscovy (at the point where I thought I could vassalize them too), Oirats (who killed the Uzbeks/Nogais and PU inherited Kazan) and then swooped in to vassalize them. It was a bit shocking to scroll east to discover the dark gray had given way to a white blob, who was overlord to the Russian biege.

 

[nicechinos]

Hordes are strong in the early game, but push-overs later on. In my current game most of the hordes were crushed by their neighbours while Sibir managed to survive long enough to westernise.


It's a mixed bag - I just saw them form Russia.

Forming Russia is no big achievement honestly. It's one way weaker than it was in 1.7.

 

[grommile]

It's a mixed bag - I just saw them form Russia.

To form Russia in EU4 as Muscovy, all you need to do is annex Novgorod, Ryazan, and one of Tver or Yaroslavl. Gone are the days of EU3, where you needed to take Smolensk or Chernigov from Lithuania.

 

[Kansai-kun]

Forming Russia is no big achievement honestly. It's one way weaker than it was in 1.7.

And I'm glad that's the case - I hated seeing Russia steamroll Asia every bloody game.

 

[nicechinos]

And I'm glad that's the case - I hated seeing Russia steamroll Asia every bloody game.

It's absurdly easy. EU4 feels somewhat like a casual game.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Keep the horde nerfs coming, Paradox. This is unacceptable

While we're at it, we can trash Ottos with Mamluks and then post how surprising it is that they get rolled by BYZ .

 

[nicechinos]

While we're at it, we can trash Ottos with Mamluks and then post how surprising it is that they get rolled by BYZ .

Or rather by Greek patriots I'd say

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Or rather by Greek patriots I'd say

I've had trouble making that happen consistently, often they wind up as Ortho zealots.

 

[Red Khan]

They just showed up at the Volga. Oh hi, Europe!

You are talking about these guys.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmyk_Khanate

 

[KungDenzel]

I love these kind of pictures with random nations growing large Also Finland seems to have taken 2-3 provinces from Sweden, I think that is the first time I ever seen them do anything