Oirat -> emperor of China ->Mughal

[maidros]

Does taking the mandate of heaven as Oirat horde turn you into Yuan? Or do I have the option of taking the mandate as Oirat horde and then going on to become Mughal?

 

[PAnZuRiEL]

It doesn't switch your tag automatically, no. However, it does give you the celestial empire reform, which makes it impossible to take the decision to form the Mughals.

 

[maidros]

It doesn't switch your tag automatically, no. However, it does give you the celestial empire reform, which makes it impossible to take the decision to form the Mughals.

I see. So, once you create the celestial empire, you cannot switch to Mughals? That is the end of the story?

 

[Daelh]

I see. So, once you create the celestial empire, you cannot switch to Mughals? That is the end of the story?

You can form Yuan by decision without becoming the Emperor if you annex the current emperor. Not being emperor as a horde (Oirat) is probably preferable.

 

[Vulkandrache]

That is the end of the story?

Getting the mandate does not inherently block forming the Mughals.
Its the CE reform thats automatical applied which does.
Getting rid of that is non-trivial but far from impossible.

 

[Kapi96]

You could do it the other way around. Form Mughals first, convert to Buddhism/Confucianism/Tengri/Animism, take the mandate and become Mughal emperor of China. After becoming Emperor you can change back to Sunni/Shia if you want, or any other religion.

 

[maidros]

You could do it the other way around. Form Mughals first, convert to Buddhism/Confucianism/Tengri/Animism, take the mandate and become Mughal emperor of China. After becoming Emperor you can change back to Sunni/Shia if you want, or any other religion.

I don't need to be Muslim to become Mughal. As Oirat, I just need to culture shift to Uzbeg to become Mughal, no?

 

[Lykus Cerebros]

I don't need to be Muslim to become Mughal. As Oirat, I just need to culture shift to Uzbeg to become Mughal, no?

According to the wiki you need to be Muslim.

Mughals - Europa Universalis 4 Wiki

eu4.paradoxwikis.com

 

[PDXJon]

I don't need to be Muslim to become Mughal. As Oirat, I just need to culture shift to Uzbeg to become Mughal, no?

You need to be Muslim to form the Mughals. You can switch religion after formation.

 

[maidros]

According to the wiki you need to be Muslim.

Mughals - Europa Universalis 4 Wiki

eu4.paradoxwikis.com

Thanks

 

[currylambchop]

Getting the mandate does not inherently block forming the Mughals.
Its the CE reform thats automatical applied which does.
Getting rid of that is non-trivial but far from impossible.

Yea, an easy way is to form Persia.

 

[PAnZuRiEL]

Yea, an easy way is to form Persia.

Persia can't form the Mughals, though.

 

[PAnZuRiEL]

Oh wow okay I've worked it out. Play as a horde or something that can take the mandate. Then, take the mandate. Form Persia. Persia has an event to convert them to Shia automatically. Persia is not an end-game tag, isn't blocked by celestial empire and will remove it, and is not blocked from forming Delhi. Delhi requires muslim (solved by Persia event) and is not an end-game tag and is not blocked from forming Mughals. Then form the Mughals. You'll have to culture-shift uhh three times. Since Persia is converted by event, you could be majority another religion if you want and then easily convert back.

It'll be really expensive in ADM points though.

 

[currylambchop]

Oh wow okay I've worked it out. Play as a horde or something that can take the mandate. Then, take the mandate. Form Persia. Persia has an event to convert them to Shia automatically. Persia is not an end-game tag, isn't blocked by celestial empire and will remove it, and is not blocked from forming Delhi. Delhi requires muslim (solved by Persia event) and is not an end-game tag and is not blocked from forming Mughals. Then form the Mughals. You'll have to culture-shift uhh three times. Since Persia is converted by event, you could be majority another religion if you want and then easily convert back.

It'll be really expensive in ADM points though.

Alternatively, to cut down on culture shifting, switch from feudal theocracy to Iqta and form the Mamluks after forming Persia.

Then you only have to culture shift twice. (or once if you blob into Persia to flip to Persian culture)

 

[PAnZuRiEL]

Alternatively, to cut down on culture shifting, switch from feudal theocracy to Iqta and form the Mamluks after forming Persia.

Then you only have to culture shift twice. (or once if you blob into Persia to flip to Persian culture)

No, Persia is blocked from forming Mughals. You have to switch to something else first.

 

[currylambchop]

No, Persia is blocked from forming Mughals. You have to switch to something else first.

You for the mamluks before forming Mughals

 

[PAnZuRiEL]

You for the mamluks before forming Mughals

Ahh sorry, I reflexively read "Mamluks" in your other post as "Mughals". You'd have to conquer all the way to Cairo to form them, though, so it'd probably take longer and be even more expensive in the end, unless you're going for a WC anyway.