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Originally posted by crazy canuck
Now there is a challenge. Getting the AI to worry about securing a resource it wont really need until after the game is over
Ottoman Empire (Oil Empire?
) Just imagine: staying intact, take egypt, persia and rest of arabian penisula.. industrialise and start raking in the cash from oil later 
well... gold would best be represent as *capital* since fundage comes from a variety of sources, and you cant really use gold for all that much... except mining it for coinage
i would say
iron
coal
oil
wood
some food probably
wealth/ diamonds gold silver etc
you would need to be able to produce steel, perhaps some kind of indutrial machinery?? for export/use in making factories..???
wool/cotton for making clothing/ textiles ish for ship making/selling
hmmmmmmmmm stuff for bronze at first?
i would say
iron
coal
oil
wood
some food probably
wealth/ diamonds gold silver etc
you would need to be able to produce steel, perhaps some kind of indutrial machinery?? for export/use in making factories..???
wool/cotton for making clothing/ textiles ish for ship making/selling
hmmmmmmmmm stuff for bronze at first?
IMO the absolutely needed resources are money, coal and food. Others in order of decreasing importance: iron/steel, cotton, oil, wood, gold, tea, spices, opium ( ).
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Originally posted by Freiherr vStein
IMO the absolutely needed resources are money, coal and food. Others in order of decreasing importance: iron/steel, cotton, oil, wood, gold, tea, spices, opium (
I know I am biased about this but certainly wood is more important (not more valuable per metric tonne but more important) then cotton. And I think opium is was too far down the list
I think that Coal and Iron should be the most important resources. In this era, a nation's power was often judged on the basis of steel production.
steel doesn't need to be represented as a resource, though. It could be factored into something like production capacety. That said it will probably be a resource anyway.
It should not be a natural resource, but it is a reasonable measure of a nation's industrial power. Steel production should depend not only on coal and iron production, but on existing industrial capacity as well.
I'd say that the resources needed are.
Coal, iron ore (preferably 2 types but could work via a tech alloing new iron deposits to be used), wood, cotton/wool, oil, other metals (copper and such), foodstuffs this would be the basic things.
Then by combining them you can get steel (from iron and coal or wood), textiles (from cotton/wool), fuel (from oil and maybe coal), machined goods (from Steel, wood and other metals) and weapons of some sort (from steel and maybe other metals).
To build warships you would initialy need wood and textiles and weapons. Later on you would need steel and other metals, when the guns became more uniqe afterall noone made 100+ exctly the same 12" guns for battleships.
Well it's an idea at least
Coal, iron ore (preferably 2 types but could work via a tech alloing new iron deposits to be used), wood, cotton/wool, oil, other metals (copper and such), foodstuffs this would be the basic things.
Then by combining them you can get steel (from iron and coal or wood), textiles (from cotton/wool), fuel (from oil and maybe coal), machined goods (from Steel, wood and other metals) and weapons of some sort (from steel and maybe other metals).
To build warships you would initialy need wood and textiles and weapons. Later on you would need steel and other metals, when the guns became more uniqe afterall noone made 100+ exctly the same 12" guns for battleships.
Well it's an idea at least
Peo:
I see no reason for not having the same range of resources as in EU with the appropriate 19th Century goods replacing some of them.
You need smokeless powder and hydraulic fluids for a 12" gun.
Chief among the new resources is coal - for fuel and for the chemical industry that produces the explosives. Then there is nitrates and phosphates for fertilizers and explosives. And rubber and petroleum for the later period.
There is a need to simulate the "second indsutral revolution" of electronics, chemicals and automotive machinery as wellas the first.
there is also the need to simulate the pressure for imports that lead to the colonization ofthe tropics.
I've always felt that he Imp2 economic model you have in mind is a bit simplistic. The orginal Imp model was in fact far better.
I hope the Vic economic model will combine the best features of EU and HOI - with more from EU than from HOI.
I see no reason for not having the same range of resources as in EU with the appropriate 19th Century goods replacing some of them.
You need smokeless powder and hydraulic fluids for a 12" gun.
Chief among the new resources is coal - for fuel and for the chemical industry that produces the explosives. Then there is nitrates and phosphates for fertilizers and explosives. And rubber and petroleum for the later period.
There is a need to simulate the "second indsutral revolution" of electronics, chemicals and automotive machinery as wellas the first.
there is also the need to simulate the pressure for imports that lead to the colonization ofthe tropics.
I've always felt that he Imp2 economic model you have in mind is a bit simplistic. The orginal Imp model was in fact far better.
I hope the Vic economic model will combine the best features of EU and HOI - with more from EU than from HOI.
I havn't played Imp2.
The thing is that if you reduce the resources to much.
Or as someone suggested removes wood from the equation.
How in the world is the Swedish steel prodution supposed to be simulated?
As i stated in another thread about 1/3 of the worlds steel trade in the 1850 was from Sweden.
I know that the model i suggested is simplified.
But i don't realy know how else to get it simulated.
If you don't make coal a prerequisite for the industrialization then it will get very wierd effects.
If we don't somhow simulate the steel trade and not only iron ore some nations will lose almost all their trade and industry.
Yes the 2nd industrial revolution must be simulated in some way.
The thing is that if you reduce the resources to much.
Or as someone suggested removes wood from the equation.
How in the world is the Swedish steel prodution supposed to be simulated?
As i stated in another thread about 1/3 of the worlds steel trade in the 1850 was from Sweden.
I know that the model i suggested is simplified.
But i don't realy know how else to get it simulated.
If you don't make coal a prerequisite for the industrialization then it will get very wierd effects.
If we don't somhow simulate the steel trade and not only iron ore some nations will lose almost all their trade and industry.
Yes the 2nd industrial revolution must be simulated in some way.
I think the best is to have steel as the product of iron and wood (charcoal) unitl the Bessemer and Thomas processes come along in the 1850s and make it possible to produce steel using coal and low grade iron ores.
Yes, i think so to.
But one of thoose processes also allowed the use of high fosphorus ores which wasn't possible before that. For the prodution of steel.
So until the advent of that process (which i can't remember the name for) the northern Swedish ore fields were unused.
And the brittish and almost everyone else had small supplies of good iron.