Will oil be in? It was a great feature in Imperialism that made the game much more enjoyable for me. I hope it will be in Victoria as well. In any case, struggle for resources should be somehow modeled.
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Oil is in HOI so why not have it here. Some provinces will probably get more of it over time though reflecting the fact that it's being discovered like it was historically. By 1920 oil was already a huge factor in the world.
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Yes but it wasn't until after ww2 it realy became the most important energy source in europe.
But i do agree that it should be in.
But in 1835 it wasn't much of a factor at all. Coal was a much more important resources throughout the time period.
Yes.
But it should still be in.
Altough it wasn't much important until the internal combustion engine was discorvered. For some reason they didn't run steam engines on it until very late.
Also, warships designed to run on oil were involved in the First World, and in the years leading up to the war the British Admiralty was very concerned about securing a source of oil for its fleet. Oil was an important strategic war material by 1914.
The real related question is will Victoria use a resource system like HOIs at all? Or will it go the way of EU which didn't have resources except as "trade goods?"
I don't understand this obsession with resources.
In 1835 the major scarce military reaources were saltpetre for gunpower and oak for warships. In particular oak.
Oil only became a strategic resources after 1906 when the Ropyal navy converted from coal to oil. Of course, the Mosul and Baku oil wells must be in the game. As must Mr. 5-percent Gulbenkian. But the Pennsylvania fields, Col.Drake and Rockefeller also has theirt places.
As must the production of oil from coal. In fact, the limited demand for petroleum products for most of the period made "synthetic" oil a viable commercial product.
In fact, the commercial module of Victoria must be based on the EU because demand changed over time due to technological innovation.
In 1835 the major scarce military reaources were saltpetre for gunpower and oak for warships. In particular oak.
Oil only became a strategic resources after 1906 when the Ropyal navy converted from coal to oil. Of course, the Mosul and Baku oil wells must be in the game. As must Mr. 5-percent Gulbenkian. But the Pennsylvania fields, Col.Drake and Rockefeller also has theirt places.
As must the production of oil from coal. In fact, the limited demand for petroleum products for most of the period made "synthetic" oil a viable commercial product.
In fact, the commercial module of Victoria must be based on the EU because demand changed over time due to technological innovation.
Or there could first be coal, and in 1900 (or earlier or later, don't know...) the coal-resource would became obsolete, and Oil would kick in.
Now that I think that, it doesn't sound good... So maybe both is needed. Or neither one
Now that I think that, it doesn't sound good... So maybe both is needed. Or neither one
I think it is clear that both coal and oil need to be there. I don't really see a problem with
(a) more resources become available over time as they are 'discovered' (the oil/coal fields being prospected etc.)
(b) techs that increase coal/oil output to reflect better methods of getting at the stuff over time.
(a) more resources become available over time as they are 'discovered' (the oil/coal fields being prospected etc.)
(b) techs that increase coal/oil output to reflect better methods of getting at the stuff over time.
I realy hope it isn't the EU model of trade...
It is way to simplistic for this era.
Oil needs to be in but at first it wasn't used for much else than lamp oil. Animal fat and oil was a bigger product especcialy whales afterall that was why they were hunted.
It is way to simplistic for this era.
Oil needs to be in but at first it wasn't used for much else than lamp oil. Animal fat and oil was a bigger product especcialy whales afterall that was why they were hunted.
Thats because you need very clean diesel oil to use it in turbins. Or else the turbin gets very dirty and efficiency and stability drop like a stone in water. Turbins were also quite new at that time and not very efficient so using diesel were not economical.
Edit: I knew I shouldn't write or read when I'm tired but I do anyway. sorry Peo!!
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No.
It wasn't gas turbines.
It was steam turbines.
Boiling water can be done with what ever burns.
If you wanted to you could run them on cod liver oil.
A gas turbine however needs a very good fuel but they have only become common after the 60's-70's.
Put it this way - would you rather your industry / military ran on the product you can dig up out of your own national provinces or would you rather ship the product half way across the world. For most nations the additional flexibility / convienience they got from running on oil was a luxury they could not afford.
GB on the other hand had the worlds biggest navy by far and could afford to import oil for fuel (at least for the ships) without fear of blockade (until the U-boats
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Originally posted by Derek Pullem
Put it this way - would you rather your industry / military ran on the product you can dig up out of your own national provinces or would you rather ship the product half way across the world. For most nations the additional flexibility / convienience they got from running on oil was a luxury they could not afford.
GB on the other hand had the worlds biggest navy by far and could afford to import oil for fuel (at least for the ships) without fear of blockade (until the U-boats
Yes but the royal navy also were rather late imo...
I understand why to some extent but i would have tried to switch over sooner
Hopefully i can do that in Victoria
The Royal Navy was the first to covert to oil. That was in 1911 I believe. It did so because the decent anthracite, "Cardiff coal", needed to fuel the boilers was hard to come by. British global naval strategy was seriously hampered by the need to ship coal from Cardiff to places like Singapore.
Coal, my friends, is just not coal.
Coal remained the majoir energy source until well into the 1950s.
The major use of petroleum products in the 19th Century was for lighting - kerosene lamps. The trade mark for the "synthetic oil" made from coal-tar was in fact Solar - a term that should be familiar to Scandinavians. The use of the term "benzin/bensin" for petrol/gas in Scandinavia also stems from the fact that this highly inflammable liquid that came to be used in Otto engines was distilled from coal tar, not natural petroleum.
The second major use of oil was for lubricants. Where the demand skyrocketed with industrialization.
Coal, my friends, is just not coal.
Coal remained the majoir energy source until well into the 1950s.
The major use of petroleum products in the 19th Century was for lighting - kerosene lamps. The trade mark for the "synthetic oil" made from coal-tar was in fact Solar - a term that should be familiar to Scandinavians. The use of the term "benzin/bensin" for petrol/gas in Scandinavia also stems from the fact that this highly inflammable liquid that came to be used in Otto engines was distilled from coal tar, not natural petroleum.
The second major use of oil was for lubricants. Where the demand skyrocketed with industrialization.
And that's EXACTLY the resaon why it would be great with a rather detailed resource system!
If research (tech tree, both technologies and applications), prospection resources in provinces (and esp. colonies) and building / maintaining units all interlink, we potentially have a great and complex game!
In this era, being first with the newest could be quite essential!
For instance the zulus forgot to research guns and gunpowder
Denmark forgot to research breach loaded rifles and lost to the Germans because we only had front loaded rifles
Well actually we might have lost anyway, but our asses might not have hurt so bad
If it's any consolation to you the Minie rifles used in 1864 were better than the German Dreyse breech-loaders for most purposes.
There were just too many Germans - and we failed to help you as we should.
There were just too many Germans - and we failed to help you as we should.
I'd say it was becoming an important strategic resource. The British certainly fought WWI and negotiated the peace in the Mid-east with an eye to securing the resource. A good book on the subject was publishin in 1999 or 2000 called "The War to begin all Wars" dealing with this subject.
But oil did not actually become critical until later.
Now there is a challenge. Getting the AI to worry about securing a resource it wont really need until after the game is over
