oh no, oh nononono

[Chreisler]

For the love of god, I hope this isn't an update with new focus trees to greece, italy and turkey. WE NEED ONE NOW FOR THE USSR. PLEASE PARADOX. TELL ME THIS UPDATE WILL HAVE AND UPDATE TO THE USSR FOCUS TREE!

 

[brantodb01]

We knew something was coming before the USSR months ago as they said they're working on two at the same time but , presumably, as the Soviet rework is bigger it's coming later

 

[ClavintheGreat]

I agree we need USSR ASAP, but if they do Greece, Turkey and Italy, they better throw Bulgaria in too.

 

[BattlePig101]

We are getting a Dev Diary tomorrow involving Greece. Sorry mate. But apparently the team is working on both this "Mediterranean" DLC and the "Soviet" DLC at the same time. So not all hope is lost for you. I am just happy we are getting any content at all.

 

[him_15]

I totally understand your concern. However since I am Italy main so I would be more than happy for an Italy DLC first.

 

[colonel Oink]

I believe that the Mediterranean theater of operations is more important than the eastern one. And yes, it's more interesting to play for small countries with limited resources than for giants with obvious advantages.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Still waiting on core mechanics to work, and past history suggests we shouldn't hold our breath on those.

 

[Tirenedon]

Still waiting on core mechanics to work, and past history suggests we shouldn't hold our breath on those.

Which core mechanics?

 

[valentin4]

NOOOOOOOO NOT MY HECKIN SOVIET UNIONO!!!! NOT MY SWEETERINO HECKERINO STALINOO!!!!! YOU CANT DO THAT!!

 

[Flipity]

I believe that the Mediterranean theater of operations is more important than the eastern one. And yes, it's more interesting to play for small countries with limited resources than for giants with obvious advantages.

anybody who says this knows nothing about World War 2

 

[SophieX]

I believe that the Mediterranean theater of operations is more important than the eastern one...

History tells a different story

 

[colonel Oink]

anybody who says this knows nothing about World War 2

And why is that?

 

[brantodb01]

And why is that?

About 40% of the people who died in ww2 died on the eastern front

 

[valentin4]

Because operation Barbarossa was the defining point when Germany overextended, failed to crush Soviet and then lost. Like there's no more important operation in the entire WW2.

"
The operation opened up the Eastern Front, in which more forces were committed than in any other theater of war in history. The area saw some of the war's largest battles, most horrific atrocities, and highest casualties (for Soviet and Axis forces alike), all of which influenced the course of World War II and the subsequent history of the 20th century. The German armies eventually captured some five million Soviet Red Army troops,[26] a majority of whom never returned alive. The Nazis deliberately starved to death, or otherwise killed, 3.3 million Soviet prisoners of war, and a vast number of civilians, as the "Hunger Plan" worked to solve German food shortages and exterminate the Slavic population through starvation.[27] Mass shootings and gassing operations, carried out by the Nazis or willing collaborators,[g] murdered over a million Soviet Jews as part of the Holocaust.[29]

The failure of Operation Barbarossa reversed the fortunes of the Third Reich.[30] Operationally, German forces achieved significant victories and occupied some of the most important economic areas of the Soviet Union (mainly in Ukraine) and inflicted, as well as sustained, heavy casualties. Despite these early successes, the German offensive stalled in the Battle of Moscow at the end of 1941, and the subsequent Soviet winter counteroffensive pushed German troops back. The Germans had confidently expected a quick collapse of Soviet resistance as in Poland, but the Red Army absorbed the German Wehrmacht's strongest blows and bogged it down in a war of attrition for which the Germans were unprepared. The Wehrmacht's diminished forces could no longer attack along the entire Eastern Front, and subsequent operations to retake the initiative and drive deep into Soviet territory—such as Case Blue in 1942 and Operation Citadel in 1943—eventually failed, which resulted in the Wehrmacht's retreat and collapse.

"

I would say that the Germans still had a shot to make peace in 1942. Bombing the Baku oil fields when they had the chance could have been game changing

 

[colonel Oink]

Because operation Barbarossa was the defining point when Germany overextended, failed to crush Soviet and then lost. Like there's no more important operation in the entire WW2.

"
The operation opened up the Eastern Front, in which more forces were committed than in any other theater of war in history. The area saw some of the war's largest battles, most horrific atrocities, and highest casualties (for Soviet and Axis forces alike), all of which influenced the course of World War II and the subsequent history of the 20th century. The German armies eventually captured some five million Soviet Red Army troops,[26] a majority of whom never returned alive. The Nazis deliberately starved to death, or otherwise killed, 3.3 million Soviet prisoners of war, and a vast number of civilians, as the "Hunger Plan" worked to solve German food shortages and exterminate the Slavic population through starvation.[27] Mass shootings and gassing operations, carried out by the Nazis or willing collaborators,[g] murdered over a million Soviet Jews as part of the Holocaust.[29]

The failure of Operation Barbarossa reversed the fortunes of the Third Reich.[30] Operationally, German forces achieved significant victories and occupied some of the most important economic areas of the Soviet Union (mainly in Ukraine) and inflicted, as well as sustained, heavy casualties. Despite these early successes, the German offensive stalled in the Battle of Moscow at the end of 1941, and the subsequent Soviet winter counteroffensive pushed German troops back. The Germans had confidently expected a quick collapse of Soviet resistance as in Poland, but the Red Army absorbed the German Wehrmacht's strongest blows and bogged it down in a war of attrition for which the Germans were unprepared. The Wehrmacht's diminished forces could no longer attack along the entire Eastern Front, and subsequent operations to retake the initiative and drive deep into Soviet territory—such as Case Blue in 1942 and Operation Citadel in 1943—eventually failed, which resulted in the Wehrmacht's retreat and collapse.

"

This is all very touching, but it smacks of ideological propaganda. I do not deny the importance of the events on the Eastern Front, but I believe that the collapse of Britain in the Middle East and Africa would have more serious consequences than the Wehrmacht's entry into the A – A line.
Loss of Middle Eastern oil, minerals in Africa, access to the eastern colonies, China and the Pacific dominions. All this would obviously be the complete collapse of the free world. And the Soviet Union lost at the beginning of the war anyway.

 

[SophieX]

I would say that the Germans still had a shot to make peace in 1942.

I am very sure, that both country-dictators would not have done it.

 

[JackAlNXT]

Overestimating Britain's role is also considered propaganda.

 

[ThePHD]

People really didn't see this coming?

 

[Vlad123]

The axis I think, lost due to bad luck. But he lost more to the fault of Italy: he opened a front to the south (African first and Greek / Yugoslav later) which postponed the attack on the USSR. A month earlier (or even 2 weeks) they would have done a lot may not seem like it but in WW2 often timing did not win the axis. In addition to the attack on the USSR (postponed by a month) there was the fact that Italy after the DOW did not move for 4 months, I REPEAT: STAY STOPS FOUR MONTHS! If Italy had attacked immediately (as Balbo wanted to do) the British would have been overwhelmed, Graziani, to move he had to be threatened with being sent to court martial! It must be said that Italy entered the war not only unprepared, but because Churchill seized (when Italy was still neutral) all the Italian shipping present in the UK and colonies, obviously causing Italian anger, in addition to coal embargo. So either Italy joined the Allies for British coal or joined the German coal axis. In any case, churchill would have had his secondary front which would have forced Germany to move troops.

 

[SanguiniusStyle]

honestly... Italy should have come with MtG or LR.


I have my Heart divided after last pdx releases