Oct 31st: WTF, my liege dows me?!?

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I am duke of Norfolk in 1066 scenario. Normal / Furious settings. I used "die" cheat on Robert de Gael elder to get his son to inherit, as I hate having my only son and heir in other court and unmarriable. Then everything seems to go rather normally, though William the Conqueror grabs claims on each and every of my titles for some reason. Then two years later, he dows me. I were at 100 loyalty, my loyalty was increasing at +4.5 monthly, so I would think that I am his most loyal vassal. I did change my inheritance law and church law to Semi-Salic Consanguinity and Monastic Supremacy, but I doubt these should provoke that stuff.

So why in hell does my king dow me?

 

[Solmyr]

Maybe he wants your land?

 

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religious laws might, but inheritance laws shouldn't. only your vassals should be affected by that change.

 

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@Jinnai: But still, should AI liege actually dow me for having different religious law?

@Solmyr: I can understand that, but imo AI should revoke titles instead of dowing when wanting lands from his vassals... :wacko:

 

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@Jinnai: But still, should AI liege actually dow me for having different religious law?

In some cases, yes. What are his traits? What are your ruler's traits? What is his religious law?

 

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In some cases, yes. What are his traits? What are your ruler's traits? What is his religious law?

Well, I would not rather list the whole lot William de Normandie has in setup of 1066. My traits were Knowledged Tactician, Deceitful and Just, the ones which Robert de Gael younger starts off with. The monthly loyalty listed me getting +0.5 or something from traits. He had Ecclesical Balance, iirc.

 

[smn_]

I don't know why, but this made me laugh uncontrollably for a good while

 

[Secret Master]

Ok, that was weird.

I know that the Law Events should not cause the AI to DOW you. (You can't do that via event.) They also should not be giving an AI liege claims, so it is something the AI is doing itself or its the "claim against a vassal" firing too often.

I doubt its your law changes doing it, as I know Johan hasn't touched the AI in the beta patches. I do wonder what it is. Is htis repeatable?

 

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I really think it was AI grabbing claims, as he got claims on about same pace as he created those duchies England can create at 1066 setup. One theory I have at it is that AI started to grab claims because my character was at low loyalty for a while early on (because I used "Die" on Ralph the Elder) and then continued taking claims because it had prestige and had already claims on some of my titles.

I will try it again, with "Die":ing Ralph the Elder, because it is within realm of possibility that in some game Ralph the Elder dies in 1066 (he's over 45 at setup) and if this is what then happens... :wacko:

I shall also try without "Die":ing him, for comparison.

 

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Actually I have noticed with the beta patches the "claim against vassal" event is firing much more frequently... I rarely act on it but it is nice to have to option so I wasn't complaining...

 

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Well, I was not able to reproduce it by starting a new game and doing same things, so I guess it's just a statistical anomaly. I did note however that Willy grabbed a claim at all my titles. Not even one by event, but grabs. Starting at jan 1067.

Also, in the first occasion, I had crusade at Cordoba ongoing in 1068 when my liege dowed me, but in this second attempt no Crusade had fired by 1074, when I ended my test.

If nothing else, I think that AI could be tweaked to not grab claims on vassal's titles, unless this is intended as additional hardness for Furious aggresiviness.

 

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I have had exactly the same thing, Playing norfolk and robert King of england dowed me.

 

[Martinus]

What AI aggressiveness were you playing on?

 

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What AI aggressiveness were you playing on?

Everything was hardest as I recall. Eventually after a long long war England beat me, it was close but it was game over when he took my duke title.