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I don't trust too much Russian news source, however they wrote an article on that Aircraft carrier. According to Russian engineers, it is a hybrid of the Varyag (admiral kuznetsov class) that was sold to China to be scrapped for the metal and the blueprints of the Ulyanovsk class which was never constructed and it is believed that Ukranians sold the blueprints to the Chinese.

Needless to say, Russians are not happy about that at all. Actually most of that article was a big rant about how Chinese disregard the international intellectual right laws and copy all Russian tech. Oh well, slapping together two different design might be successful, might be not, we will see.
 

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Well theyre building their own new carriers and other ships and Im sure they will be in service long before 2030. Making a game with them is going to be hard considering theres no reliable information on even comissioned chinese surface vessels, aircrafts or submarines. If Arctic Circle was hard, a game with China is going to be almost impossible to make. ;)
 

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Well theyre building their own new carriers and other ships and Im sure they will be in service long before 2030. Making a game with them is going to be hard considering theres no reliable information on even comissioned chinese surface vessels, aircrafts or submarines. If Arctic Circle was hard, a game with China is going to be almost impossible to make. ;)

Those capabilities are well sufficiently known, provided you go for conservative estimate (to dismay of all fanboys I know).
For example even though J20 is not likely to be an actual prototype for combat aircraft, it is and indication of technology improvement. Their main issue is in the realm of engines I believe.
 

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Also there those neat "helicopter carrying destroyers" in Japan. They are not carriers aren't they xD?

Well in general it is interesting theater (Far East and asia that is) b/c unlike arctic we have 3 blocks:

China + North Korea + Pakistan
Japan + South Korea + USA + Australia + UK (last 3 would play a secondary, supporting role in my opinion)
Russia (we would not side with China as we worry about their rise to power)
India (maybe in alliance of sorts with Russia against Pakistan and China)

lots of smaller players like Vietnam, Indonesia, Taiwan and so on.
 

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This is b/c Russia has potential war with both Japan and China (with them being aggressors)

India would fight China backed Pakistan, North Korea would fight South Korea and so on. All sides would have numerous and modern forces by 2020. Nukes would not be used, as far as it stays in secondary, non nuclear states, or if both sides have nukes.

Also I think that nuclear deterrent would preclude open and active intervention by USA and UK within conflict, as far as the situation is not dire (where conventional, limited intervention is probable)
 

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I take it you talk of the Hyuga class. ^^ Its indeed a helicopter/light carrier and not a destroyer (even if its classed as one). It becomes even more obvious with the new 19500t class thats going to be 250 m flight deck but is still classed as a destroyer. :D

I think the US should be one of the main combatants in the pacific as well. Maybe more so than the russians even. India, Japan and Korea would add a lot of flavor but I think it would be cool if it were to be combined with the current game in such a way that I can make my own skrismish games vs the computer or online where I want on the globe with whatever force I want to. Id love to make a China vs India scenario or maybe a Japan and Korea vs China scenario etc. That being said, I still think US should have a role in the campaign!
 

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I don't trust too much Russian news source, however they wrote an article on that Aircraft carrier. According to Russian engineers, it is a hybrid of the Varyag (admiral kuznetsov class) that was sold to China to be scrapped for the metal and the blueprints of the Ulyanovsk class which was never constructed and it is believed that Ukranians sold the blueprints to the Chinese.

Needless to say, Russians are not happy about that at all. Actually most of that article was a big rant about how Chinese disregard the international intellectual right laws and copy all Russian tech. Oh well, slapping together two different design might be successful, might be not, we will see.

Ukrainians but not Russians sold it to China. Russia was against this deal same as other superpowers.

Concerning your worries about Russian mass media sources I can agree with you. I found it that only 10% of the information is actually true in Russian mass media. I believe it is because of inner country corruption.

Concerning Chinese expansion I'd say we see new type of expansion here. Military expansion is the past for the modern China. Chinese expansion looks like big money and huge amount of immigration investments into other countries.
 

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Ukrainians but not Russians sold it to China. Russia was against this deal same as other superpowers.

Concerning your worries about Russian mass media sources I can agree with you. I found it that only 10% of the information is actually true in Russian mass media. I believe it is because of inner country corruption.

Concerning Chinese expansion I'd say we see new type of expansion here. Military expansion is the past for the modern China. Chinese expansion looks like big money and huge amount of immigration investments into other countries.

Yea, now we would have a corruptible argument. The issue with arms media lies more in the field of incompetence (young girls writing about subject that they have no knowledge off) as well as some dubious statements by our officials, which tend to carry a lot of disinformation. Secrecy doesnt help either, but an enthusiast can always get a solid picture of how things work.

The issue with China is that it can have "bubble issues" and thus need for external expansion. This is supported with their general agressive outlook in many areas. While I doubt that the open armed hostilities would commence due to profilation of nuclear weapons, they are still possible, especially in limited scenarios (where Russia, China and USA heartland is not threatened directly).

You would also find that most probable scenarios here would be the escalation of the Korean problem, especially with the current regime crisis.
 

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English is not my first language. This why I can't say anything about your English. I'd just advise you to write short clear sentences in English. It will be easier to you to write it and much easier for your readers to understand your points. Personally, I didn't understand what you were saying in the post above.
Concerning mass media mistakes I’d say I didn't force you to believe in what I believe. I shared my opinion and you can share yours. I know some information from the personal experience how people in Russia get budget money for researching or building different units but those units are never built or researched. And military units are not the exception. And this explanation looks more logical for me that simple mistakes of young ladies want to write about something they don't know.
 

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I think both you chaps have quite easily understandable English :)

I am quite hoping Naval War does progress to the Pacific Ocean after Arctic Circle now :D
 

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English is not my first language. This why I can't say anything about your English. I'd just advise you to write short clear sentences in English. It will be easier to you to write it and much easier for your readers to understand your points. Personally, I didn't understand what you were saying in the post above.
Concerning mass media mistakes I’d say I didn't force you to believe in what I believe. I shared my opinion and you can share yours. I know some information from the personal experience how people in Russia get budget money for researching or building different units but those units are never built or researched. And military units are not the exception. And this explanation looks more logical for me that simple mistakes of young ladies want to write about something they don't know.

You speak of corruption issues and they do indeed exist to some extend, however they are not the cause of all problems. Most of programs are too secretive for majority of people to know about. Indexes don't help either, for example are you familiar with what K047 is?

So even in cases where there is development (like well known T50 program) it is hard for an outsider to judge its progress. Much less in case of lesser known programs - for example our UCAV projects.

In other cases journalists make stupid mistakes or use retarded stamps like "has no equivalents in the west" blah blah. Or certain officials compare TBM with MLRS to state that later has inferior range and accuracy.

This all produces incomplete and in many cases incorrect image of Prussian defense industry.

Кстати могу и на русском :)
 

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