Not leaving faction despite 100 opinion. Bug?

[Sam L]

Just wondering. I had experience where a vassal was at 100 opinion was a faction member (not leader) and still didn't leave it. Every time I've seen it in the past, they left after 80+.

Is this a bug? I thought if it's 80+ they leave? Or is it situation specific, if so, I can explain further.

 

[Mutineer]

It could take up to a mounth, you probably just see delay.

 

[unmerged(151058)]

If they were coerced into joining the faction using a spymaster, they won't leave for some time.

 

[Sam L]

It could take up to a mounth, you probably just see delay.

No, it was definitely more than a month and after an ultimatum was presented with him and the leader. The faction actually only had 35% power. But I let them go because I was helping Norway fight the Golden Horde. Still, it was Aragon and after other vassals warred to place another on the throne and Aragon came back into my realm anyway. It was quite ridiculous.

 

[Mutineer]

ahhh reasing opinion after ultimatus does not effect factions any more. You need to do it BEFOR ultimatum.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Is an opinion of 80+ even guaranteed to remove a person from a faction if it has something to win? (gain land, change crown laws, etc) I thought it only prevents them from joining a faction in the first place. Also, if your vassal doesn't get why you're so nice to him lately, just send your spymaster in an let him scheme around a bit. Once you figure out that the right kind of answer depends on the vassals traits (legalism for honest and diligent persons, threaten for shy or craven ones, ...) there's almost a 100% change to remove a person from a faction (sometimes there are unpredictable overlaps between conflicting traits, though) - for a cost of -10 opinion, of course.

 

[Sam L]

ahhh reasing opinion after ultimatus does not effect factions any more. You need to do it BEFOR ultimatum.

No, opinion was 100 for several months.

 

[Sam L]

Is an opinion of 80+ even guaranteed to remove a person from a faction if it has something to win? (gain land, change crown laws, etc) I thought it only prevents them from joining a faction in the first place.

In the past, it has removed everyone if they got 80+. And I've had A LOT of factions lol. This is the only situation I have seen. That's why I need to know if it's a bug or not

 

[Gingerninja]

As someone said, he might've been coerced into staying in the faction, or joining it in the first place. It's the spymasters scheming function. You may use it to make vassals leave factions as well.

 

[Comradebot]

As someone said, he might've been coerced into staying in the faction, or joining it in the first place. It's the spymasters scheming function. You may use it to make vassals leave factions as well.

Bingo. Opinion doesn't matter if they were pushed into the faction with the spymaster's scheme job. The AI is very capable of using it effectively.