NOT A BUG: Vichy does not happen if Germany and SU are at war

[unmerged(9612)]

Vichy does not happen if Germany and SU are at war

This works as designed I know... But what is the rationale behind it ?

This can lead to exploits in MP games. (like SU Dowing Germany knowing that Germany will be stuck in a long war with France)

 

[Vulture]

Hmmm to be honest, I don't know

 

[The Yogi]

I would guess that the idea behind this feature is that the French will feel that they stand a much better chance if Germany is in a two-front war and will therefore not be quite as eager to surrender. I think it makes perfect sense.

 

[Vulture]

Yes... IIRC, that was the primary reason

 

[boromir]

Re: Vichy does not happen if Germany and SU are at war

Originally posted by Tomar
This works as designed I know... But what is the rationale behind it ?

This can lead to exploits in MP games. (like SU Dowing Germany knowing that Germany will be stuck in a long war with France)

The war against France is not necessarily long anyway. Two separate armies of tanks plus plane support and they fade pretty fast, Vichy or no Vichy. Last MP game I played (Ger/Ita vs UK/USSR, 1939 scenario), as the Germans I chose not to Vichy, split France with Italy, and we nearly managed to annex the French, if it wasn't for the stupid retreat bug - just as we were about to annex the AI French managed to retake Tunis or whatever has VP points around there with a ghost army, and the UK player managed to liberate Dakar ... Anyway, Germany got a lot of IC (this was on normal level) as it had most of mainland France, totalling to over 800 by '41 and Barbarossa.

So I don't think declaring war by the Soviets is much of an exploit in regards to Vichy, as taking all of France is an attractive alternative at least in the '39 scenario (although in the '36 scenario, where the Axis are much weaker, setting up Vichy is probably more attractive).

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[unmerged(9612)]

France fades pretty fast ?

Depends on whether its played by AI or human.... If human and properly propped up by UK + tech share from US youre in for a long/tough fight, especially in the 36 scenario ....

 

[boromir]

Originally posted by Tomar
France fades pretty fast ?

Depends on whether its played by AI or human.... If human and properly propped up by UK + tech share from US youre in for a long/tough fight, especially in the 36 scenario ....

I was refering to AI France. Human France can always say no to Vichy anyway, AFAIK. Also don't normally get so many players to play a game via LAN, usually around 4, so I haven't seen France played by a human with US/UK support.

IMHO tech sharing unbalances the game in Allied favour, in the '36 scenario, if all the majors are played as human. Tech, in the form of doctrines is the only advantage the Germans have. If Germany can't handle France, they lose, so what's the fun in playing a game that ends before it starts? '39 scenario is probably more balanced for an MP game anyway.

We normally play no tech sharing or tech sharing once a year, no doctrines. Anyway, this just went off topic

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[Vulture]

Sorry, ain't a bug imho... If you think some stuff should change about this, propose so in the suggestions forum