NOT A BUG: Heavy tanks tech wrong

[The Yogi]

Heavy tanks tech wrong

This is not a bug as such, but it shouldn't be this way:

As it is, you have to research sloped armour before you can (eventually) develop heavy tanks, but as we all know, the basic heavy tanks of WW2 (Tiger, KV-1, Char B1-b and ohters) did not have properly sloped armour.

It also has the unfortunate effect of making basic heavy tanks the "latest" unit after advanced medium tanks exist, so that when I later want to upgrade armoured divisions from basic or improved medium tanks to advanced medium tanks, I get stuck with basic heavies instead. They're to slow to my liking.

To my mind, this would be a far more logical advancement ladder - Assault guns & tank destroyers -> heavy tanks -> sloped armour -> armored skirts.

Which is also the historical order in which these things were discovered.

 

[King]

The tech sequence will not be correct for all countries. If you consider the Soviet Union they developed tanks with sloped armour (BT series and the the T-34) before developing heavy tanks. The same is not so with all countries. Anomolies like this were always going to appear in a generic tech system.

 

[Soapy Frog]

When upgrading you SHOULD be able to select what type of tank you are upgrading to!!!

Or AT LEAST have light tanks upgrade to more advanced light tanks, medium to mediums, heavies to heavies...

You should be able to choose!!!!!

 

[Vulture]

Errr, aren't you?

 

[Vulture]

Ah sorry, misunderstood your post... You mean, the tanks shouldn't automatically upgrade to the latest model?

Known then

 

[The Yogi]

Originally posted by King
The tech sequence will not be correct for all countries. If you consider the Soviet Union they developed tanks with sloped armour (BT series and the the T-34) before developing heavy tanks. The same is not so with all countries. Anomolies like this were always going to appear in a generic tech system.

The Soviets DID developed heavy tanks before sloped armour tanks. T-28 and KV-1 both entered into service before the T-34.

The BT series did NOT have properly sloped armour. The T-34 was the first.

A generic system is all fine and well, but there's no reason for having it wrong were it could easily be right.

There can be no question about the fact that the first generation of heavy tanks came before sloped armour.

Also, armoured skirts were a late war invention, to have them as a prerequisite for KV-1s, Char B1-bs and Tigers is nuts.

 

[King]

Originally posted by The Yogi
The Soviets DID developed heavy tanks before sloped armour tanks. T-28 and KV-1 both entered into service before the T-34.

The BT series did NOT have properly sloped armour. The T-34 was the first.

A generic system is all fine and well, but there's no reason for having it wrong were it could easily be right.

There can be no question about the fact that the first generation of heavy tanks came before sloped armour.

Also, armoured skirts were a late war invention, to have them as a prerequisite for KV-1s, Char B1-bs and Tigers is nuts.

I am not going to argue this for too much longer. However the difference between sloped and properly sloped armour is a tricky one to go into. Just how much does amrour need to be sloped before it becomes properly sloped? We could arue all day about that one.

The fact remains that the tech system will not work historically for all countries. As another example look at the link between rockets and jet engines, not ture for allcountries that one. However I am not sure that for all the major combatants the order of development you give for tanks is correct.

 

[The Yogi]

Originally posted by King
I am not going to argue this for too much longer. However the difference between sloped and properly sloped armour is a tricky one to go into. Just how much does amrour need to be sloped before it becomes properly sloped? We could arue all day about that one.

The fact remains that the tech system will not work historically for all countries. As another example look at the link between rockets and jet engines, not ture for allcountries that one. However I am not sure that for all the major combatants the order of development you give for tanks is correct.

We need not debate another second, since "sloped armour" is a term commonly used in works about tanks of the period, and is not vague in its definition at all. All tanks had armour sloped to some degree somewhere - but by "sloped armour" its generally understood the strongly sloped armour (about 50-60 degrees or more from vertical) that gave a significant advantage in armour protection, as seen on the T-34, Panther, Sherman etc.

Having settled that, I have never debated this from the point of view of any one country. But the fact is that the current order of development doesn't fit ANY major WW2 country, which undoubtedly makes it wrong. Its clearly wrong for Germany, Britain, USA, Soviet Union, France, Italy and Japan. Does it need to be any more wrong than that?

The order I propose does fit with all the above countries, to the extent that they developed any of those technologies at all.

 

[grumbold]

An alternative would be to put high velocity medium calibre tank guns into the artillery tech chart and make them a prereq for advanced light and medium tanks. No Pz III N's before Tiger I's any more.