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One thing I hope they won't do is making the Norwegians ok with Sweden forming a Scandinavian union. They wanted to more independence, not pan-nationalism.
 

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they made it like this to make sweden more powerfull or "gamebalance" as its called, though your absolutely right, norway should be represented in a game in this time period, it was the most important period in norwegian history :(

As said before, that it's for balancing purposes is a reason that doesn't make any sense. This isn't Civ, that there are weak and strong countries is only natural.
 

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It's only a game... I don't understand either why they don't include Norway.

One of the first threads will probably be "How to play as Norway from Jan.2 1836 onwards", and it will tell people how they can start as Sweden, release Norway as satellite in Jan. 1, save and then reload as Norway. :rolleyes:
 

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No, one of the first threads will be one that asks to explain why people are voting for a liberal party while they have a conservative ideology. ;)

why are they?
 

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No, one of the first threads will be one that asks to explain why people are voting for a liberal party while they have a conservative ideology. ;)
No, one of the first threads will be one that asks how you can play Byzantium. ;)

Back on topic, there still isn't really an argument here. Having Norway as a separate country would be like having Scotland as a satellite of the United Kingdom in any Cold War game because there was a Scottish Parliament. Paradox is also deciding to go with the way Norway was most commonly represented on maps at the time, which is a good decision IMO.
 

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As said before, that it's for balancing purposes is a reason that doesn't make any sense. This isn't Civ, that there are weak and strong countries is only natural.

So you're fine with the Russians expanding to meet the ever increasing needs of the newly conquered Russian lands?

While we don't need every nation on equal footing, you still need to create a challenge to keep the big guys/gals at bay.

I'm all for an independent Norway, but Paradox needs to strike game balance first so we don't have new Big ___ Blobs everywhere. After they get that achieved, then mods and/or patches can change things like that...even expansions too.
 

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Thread closed, we had this debate already in this forum and Paradox have stated how they are depicting the Scandinavian region in terms of the geopolitics of 1836. Those who do not quite agree with this setup are more than free to mod as they feel needed to reflect their personal understanding of the proper "historical situation" for 1 Jan 1836, but until Paradox decides otherwise the issue is closed and continuing to debate the issue ad infinitum is a waste of forum resources.
 
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