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Well we could have a mobilization event for Finland like we will have for the US.

Still that OOB is irrelevant. Only Finnish Airforce has some kind of capability to act in it's peace time mode. There are no brigades, no divisions to ready to act in peace time. Only some constripts to form some ad hock units.

And the mobilization event should kick in BEFORE the enemy units start rolling over the borders. And after that Finland has several mechanised divisions, several motorized and a armored division. How are you going to do so that they are ready when the DoW hits?

 

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Isn't the war with Russia pretty much event driven? Perhaps some of the events like the annexation of Belarus and War with Ukraine could give Finland possibility to mobilize. And then we could do something like this with events:

Russia:
"War with Finland?"
"blahblahblah, I'll make up the description later"

"Yes, we must target Finland!"
launches the "Russia targets Finland!" event for Finland
Suply hit due trade dying off

"No, we can't do that!"

Finland:
"Russia targets Finland!"
"Russia has chosen us as their next target! Their leader is holding a speech where he claims that we will be crushed in a matter of months! We must mobilize!"

"To the arms!"
Mobilizes
Launches the "War with Finland" event for Russia after a day or two

Russia:
"War with Finland"
"Our forces are now poised to strike Finland. Finland has mobilized its forces. War is inevitable now."

"WAR!"
War with Finland

If Finland gets somehow otherwise DOW'd they will get the mobilization event then also.

How does this sound to you?

 

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Still that OOB is irrelevant. Only Finnish Airforce has some kind of capability to act in it's peace time mode. There are no brigades, no divisions to ready to act in peace time. Only some constripts to form some ad hock units.

And the mobilization event should kick in BEFORE the enemy units start rolling over the borders. And after that Finland has several mechanised divisions, several motorized and a armored division. How are you going to do so that they are ready when the DoW hits?

Ahhhhhh! Stop hitting me, can you give me suggestions?

Oh, and Nerfix, it looks good.

 

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Well basicly the system in Finland is such that if any threat to Finnish soverignty is even percieved then the reserves are (atleast partly) mobilized.

So I'd say it could go something like this:

1. If Russia does anything suspicious Finland does a partial mobilization.

That is if Russia:

- leader emerges who is percieved as revisionist
- publicly renounces it's participation in Europian institutes for keeping peace
- moves troops and supplys to Leningrad military region (yes its called that) execs to those usually there
- withdraws itself from international treaties
- makes any kind of claims to it's Europian neighbours regarding territory or military co-operation
- repeatedly insults Finnish sovereignty (aircaraft intrusions/naval intrusions)
- is in regional conflict that has possibilities to expand to other areas

In this case Finland would get all of it's naval assets(few), all of its airforce(some) and part of it's troops. That would be something like:

1 armored division
5 mechanized divisions
4 motorized divisions


2. If Russia does something hostile Finland mobilizes fully.

That is if Russia:

- leader emerges who is openly revisionist
- even partly mobilizes and deploys these troops in Leningrad military district
- clearly based on intel is gearing for attack on Finland
- attacks any other Europian country
- makes specific claims on Finnish territory or on Finnish foreign policy
- is in conflict that is likely to expand to other areas

In this case Finland would get additional to those in partial mobilization:

4 motorized divisions
6 Infantry divisions


The numer and type of divisions and whether they should have attached brigades is open for debate. IMO artillery, AT and AAA attachements are likely.

EDIT: I forgot to mention; Lunar dont to take the critic of your musings as attack against your person. You live longer due lower blood pressure.

 

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Thanks. I thought that it might be somewhat realistic for Russia to take a supply(money) hit from DOWing Finland because we are an important trade partner of theirs. But I have propably siad that before.

EDIT:
I think I'll make some events from what Tellu said.

 

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BTW...

If those mobilized Finnish forces sit on the border over 2 weeks they are starting to get entrenched in serious manner. Every moment would be used to better the positions or train the troops. Concrete parts would be used to build enforced fighting positions. Mines would be layed extensively. Roads and bridges would be primed or destroyed.

So if it's possible to have such events that incerease the fortification value of the provinces they are in if there is no war going on that would simulate this.

 

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I suppose that would be possible...

Heh, mobilize at the first possible moment and then wait for ruski soldat to come get some butter at their bread...

Sadly, looking at the HORRAR THERMOBARICS(ahem, bad habits from other boards ) that the Russian have IRL...

 

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Ok, some events for Finland:

After Russia gets claims on Belaruss and Ukraine

Russia places claims on european countries!
"Russia has placed claims on Belaruss and Ukraine. We could partialy mobilize, even if this isn't afully valid reason as they aren't our neighbours."

"Rattle sabers and fully mobilize!"
-5000 supplies
10% national dissent "Ketä v***** kiinnostaa joku Ukraina!!??"
Full mobilization
Triggers the event "Finland rattles sabers" for Russia

"Partialy mobilize"
-2500 supplies
5% national dissent; not a fully valid reason to partialy mobilize
Partial mobilization

"Let it be, this isn't a fully valid reason"
Nothing happens

For Russia:

Finland rattles sabers
"Our neighbors in Finland have started a full scale mobilization. What should we do?"

"Teach them!"
War with Finland
5% national dissent

"Let it be"
Nothing

If Russia puts claims on Baltic countries

Russia places claims on our neighbors!
"Russia has placed claims on our neighbors! We should call some of our reserves to action!"

"Be bothersome and start a full mobilization"
-5000 supplies
6% dissent
Trigger the "Finland rattles sabers" event for Russia

"Do it!"
-2500 supplies
2% dissent
Partial mobilization

"Let it be"
2% dissent

Russian civil war:

Civil war in Russia!
"A civil war has sparked in Russia! The conflict may spill over the borders! Shouldn't we call up the reserves?"

"Interfere the war!"
-5000 supplies
10% dissent
Full mobilization
Triggers the "Interfere the Russian civil war" event

"Yes, lets do it!"
-2500 supplies
Partial mobilization

"No, let it be"
4% dissent

Interfere the Russian civil war
"Which side we are going to support?"

Pick one of the sides, get a military acces to the side you picked and get in war with the other two sides.

When Russia gets in war with an European country:

Russia attacks an european country!

"Russia has attacked an european country! This is a fully valid reason for us to mobilize!"

"Do it!"
-5000 suplies
Full mobilization

"No, only partial mobilization"
-2500 supplies
4% dissent
Partial mobilization

"No let it be"
11% dissent

More later...

 

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Nerfix

It still looks like the war is imminent after the event of Finnish mobilization. Since when these events fire they will all happend immidieately.

So in effect Finland did NOT mobilize before Russian DoW. Just same time. And that is the worst case scenario for Finland. In that case the war is already lost.

Finland should have the possibility to mobilize before Russian hordes come rolling over the border. Just if it's in the events structure before Russian DoW doesnt it make it so in the game. In the game if one event ofr country A fires a event for country B that is all happening in the same time.

Do you understand what Im trying to say here?

 

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Finland should have to possibility to (atleast partly) mobilize at the same moment Russia takes hostile stance in it's foreign policy. That is to say before they DoW. Days before, weeks before... Better yet months before.

 

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Yes, I understand, but Finland *can* mobilize before Russia DOW's: either when the Russian Civil war starts or when Belarussia gets annexed.

Bah, sister whines again. Later...

 

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How is the annexation of Belarus? Is it forced? What leads to it?

And under no circumstance I see it possible for Finland to interfere in Russian civil war unless it is done with other EU nations. But no Finnish interfvention on its own. None.

Fantasy options are diffrent matter. Then it can be possible.

 

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Annexation of Belarus is supposed to be peacefull, alas it isn't fully viable reason to start mobilizing, but you can do so if you want.

And yes, I was also taking fantasy scenarios in consideration, afterall, that is where this nutcase scenario spends most of his time.

Anyway, I'm tired so I'll go to sleep.

Good night peeps.

 

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Ok, here is the entrenchment event:

Two weeks after mobilization, must have forces at the eastern border provinces

"Entrenchment has started!"

Our troops have started to improve their defending positions at the border. Every moment is used to better the positions or train the troops. Concrete parts are used to build enforced fighting positions. Mines are beign laid extensively. Roads and bridges are beign primed or destroyed.

"Great!"
Increase the land fort by 2 in the east border. (Sorry, forgot the provinces )

Should it increase the AA too? Is the fort bonus ok?

 

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Thanks Nerfix.

 

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Nerfix

If it's possible for that to be re-occurring event then I think it should be in increase of 1 per time. And the time how often it should happend really depends how effective the fortification number is in game effect.

 

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Annexation of Belarus is supposed to be peacefull, alas it isn't fully viable reason to start mobilizing, but you can do so if you want.

Well if it's totally peaceful and Belarus people want it then it's not a reason for Finland to mobilize. On the other hand if it's behind the scenes operation and military force is used then it is valid reason for mobilization.

It's just that in real world there would be so many signs to be seen if Russia would try anything offensive agains Finland. In the game it isnt necessarily so. Atleast in vanilla HoI you can DoW out of blue sky. The real world doesn't work like that. So in effect for Finland to have th time mobilize it has to be tied to so pre-DoW event or condition.

 

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Ok, here is the entrenchment event:

Two weeks after mobilization, must have forces at the eastern border provinces

"Entrenchment has started!"

Our troops have started to improve their defending positions at the border. Every moment is used to better the positions or train the troops. Concrete parts are used to build enforced fighting positions. Mines are beign laid extensively. Roads and bridges are beign primed or destroyed.

"Great!"
Increase the land fort by 2 in the east border. (Sorry, forgot the provinces )

Should it increase the AA too? Is the fort bonus ok?

which country is this for?

 

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Finland

 

[Allenby]

Lunar, how many events for Great Britain do you have?