All you came up with was a bizarre utopia devoid of reality - people cannot live as you described!
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All you came up with was a bizarre utopia devoid of reality - people cannot live as you described!
Just give me an answer of why France has its current borders, but hasn't touched Belgium. If you want to make your fantasy world, do yourself a favor and make your Swedish nationalist utopia somewhat, like at all, plausible. Perhaps you should consider ditching France and make Italy your ally - The combined might of the Northern Empire and the Tuscan League are enforcing the sovereignty of the Netherlands and Belgium, containing France, and in a standoff with the Orthodox Ottoman Empire and its staunch ally Spain.
Like seriously, pasting a map that looks like a human playing eu4 as Sweden on normal difficulty isn't interesting. Do better.
Like seriously, pasting a map that looks like a human playing eu4 as Sweden on normal difficulty isn't interesting. Do better.
Reread the thread, the entire premise is largely nonsensical, it comes across as the dream of a boy in his early teens.
I mean, firstly, the whole nations joining Sweden (of all nations) for protection is ridiculous, even more so if they remain for 400 years.
Secondly, Sweden annexing Poland and Russia, and then keeping them! Why did no-one try and stop this expansion? What happened to the Swedish government? Is it always perfectly stable? Are there rebellions? Why haven't the numerically superior Germans, Poles, and Russians tried to break away from having their lives dictated by a tiny minority who live hundreds if not thousands of miles away?
What the hell, and I mean hell, was France doing in all of this? France dominating Europe is an interesting alt-history because it's possible, and came close to happening several times. It totally breaks immersion to even consider France just allowing Sweden to roflstomp central and eastern Europe for schits and giggles! Only to just switch to cold war mode four centuries later!
I'd write more, but others have put it better f.e.
yerm said:
Finally, questions I can answer.
German dukes and counts join Sweden for protection against HRE.
Austria was defeated, Sweden was rapidly increasing in strength. Too fast. No, it let the people govern themselves to keep them happy. It's a democracy. It's not a dictatorship run by Sweden. France is Sweden's ally. Ally each other so they don't have to fight each other. It's Sweden and France against Spain and Britain.
I didn't do this because it was realistic, I did it because I thougt it was interesting. I try to explain things.
Members of the HRE ask for domination from a foreign power to protect themselves from the HRE? Why would the German dukes give up on their own dreams of expansion?
By what!? What defeated Austria!? How was it so catastrophically defeated that it became a non-entity?
How on earth does this democracy work? Who do they vote for? What on? How does Sweden stop Russia completely dominating the 'democracy'?
Why did France ally with Sweden? Not to fight? Why was it so lazy? Why did it just sit still? France has pretty much been the most ambitious nation in Europe. Did Sweden send hundreds of maidens to France each year to pacify the Gallic horde?
Look, it all sounds stupid, Sweden had trouble holding on to the Baltic let alone dominating the massive steppe of Russia. How did they deal with the plethora of minorities in Russia? How did they stop them killing each other?
30 years war.
It became weak after being defeated and would not engage in war with Sweden again.
The realm is split up in 6 part-realms, each with 50 votes in parliment.
They where allies in the 30 years war. They continued this friendship and decided not to fight each other.
Giving rights to those who deserved it. Keeping order among those who didn't.
That is an event, not an answer
I asked how it was defeated. Not an answer.
What are these 'realms'? Why are the Russians happy with less representation per capita than the Swedes?
For four hundred years? This doesn't adequately answer the question. Only Sweden gains from this alliance, not France, why would France let Sweden dominate Europe?
How did such a small population keep order among 'those who didn't'?
Look, if you are planning to do History at university, please remember this: History is analysis, you have to look at why things happened, what events meant and still mean today - you cannot just say things happened therefore they are.
The northern German dukes and counts fought along side Sweden, they decided, it would be better to join Sweden and let Sweden handle their defense.
By military defeat in the 30 years war.
It gives each major culture equal representation. Swedes get 50, Germans get 50, Poles get 50 and Russians get 50.
Not having to fight Sweden and instead focus on their enemies.
Small population? The Russian police.
Ok.
Ok, you're not getting it at all.
I want you to go back to the whole 30 years war thing. Write your version of it, put all the events (Just the 30 years war) in a timeline. And then write about why everything happened.
Because all you're writing is nonsense with nothing to back it up. Alt-history is interesting not just because of the alternate outcomes, but why and how they came to pass. All your ideas are still really silly.
Let's take Russia, why are Russia happy possessing the same level of proportional representation as populations which are far smaller, and probably contribute less to the shared economy of this utopian empire? Why on earth are Russian police terrorising the populace into submission to Sweden? After the conquest of Russia Sweden would have to occupy to the entire country to ensure compliance, it just doesn't have the manpower - hence small populace.
Why on earth doesn't France consider Sweden an enemy? They blatantly are. There is a reason everyone is suspicious of Russia - it's massive! It's capable of churning out armies and material, anytime Russia makes noise Europe shits their pants. Why on earth would France allow Sweden to just hop in there and take over? And we're not even mentioning the sheer impossibility of Sweden conquering Russia.
I'm sorry, but none of this works.
Rebuild the 30 years war, put in whys and hows, write an essay on it. Then we can look at the four century train wreck that follows.
Ok, you're not getting it at all.
I want you to go back to the whole 30 years war thing. Write your version of it, put all the events (Just the 30 years war) in a timeline. And then write about why everything happened.
Because all you're writing is nonsense with nothing to back it up. Alt-history is interesting not just because of the alternate outcomes, but why and how they came to pass. All your ideas are still really silly.
Let's take Russia, why are Russia happy possessing the same level of proportional representation as populations which are far smaller, and probably contribute less to the shared economy of this utopian empire? Why on earth are Russian police terrorising the populace into submission to Sweden? After the conquest of Russia Sweden would have to occupy to the entire country to ensure compliance, it just doesn't have the manpower - hence small populace.
Why on earth doesn't France consider Sweden an enemy? They blatantly are. There is a reason everyone is suspicious of Russia - it's massive! It's capable of churning out armies and material, anytime Russia makes noise Europe shits their pants. Why on earth would France allow Sweden to just hop in there and take over? And we're not even mentioning the sheer impossibility of Sweden conquering Russia.
I'm sorry, but none of this works.
Rebuild the 30 years war, put in whys and hows, write an essay on it. Then we can look at the four century train wreck that follows.
Assuming you really do want an "interesting" world and not just a "Swedish" world, can you please give us a brief but comprehensive history of France in your setting from the 30 years war to present? The problem here is that we ALL think that you are not creating an interesting world, you are creating a Swedish > all world, and if you want to actually convince us to take this as anything more than nationalism, we want you to give some detail to other parts of it. France is the biggest one standing out because nobody has come up with a plausible rationale for France to be the way it is - we'd like you to elaborate on how France fared during these 400 years. Even if you just flesh out what France's participation/contributions were during your Swedish timeline events and what they got in the peace, that would be fine.
All this just roughly explains what happened and what leads up to today. Present day in this world is the interesting thing. Not what already happened.
Well, they ended up with modern day borders. They colonized what they did historically. Here is the difference. France is not defeated in the 7 years war. Only loses Western Canada. France and Sweden help US achieve independence. France begin democratic reforms in their colonies in order to keep them. They are succesful. Likely or not. That's what i'm doing.
But it's not interesting at all because there's no history behind it. You haven't truly thought any of this through. The Cold War OTL is fascinating because it carries with it centuries of history, a huge tapestry of competing ambitions, military catastrophes, economic factors, even environmental events.
You have a list of near fantastical events which barely seem linked.
This cold war is interesting because it's not the US and Russia. It's different. Different cultures. Different conditions.
It's interesting because it's different.
It's not mate, it really isn't interesting at all. Difference is only difference, don't conflate difference with interesting. All you're doing is throwing different and interesting around and pretending they work. You can't even say why, you can't say why the world has come to this, why we must suspend our disbelief other than 'it's different'.
The only thing this is different from is a fully fleshed out history of an interesting world.
I used to do similar things to you, paint glorious maps of the British empire if we still ruled America &c &c, but that's all it was. A different coloured map. I grew up.
Also, 4.5k posts lel/kek.
Crap, I forgot the nuclear penguins.
2nd time you've pulled me up today Tanzhang <3
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