North American provinces are ugly - This means you, Delaware!

[Rakonas]

Is nobody else concerned that Niagara doesn't include Niagara Falls, with that instead being the capital of Seneca? Also, Manhattan has all of Connecticut's coastline, and stretches to the Delaware. Really don't like the way this looks, and I think it will look even sillier when colonized by competing powers.

 

[Evie HJ]

Yes, definitely - especially as its history file deal with St Mary's City which I'm pretty sure is in that missing southern part.

 

[lemonsquid]

Virginia is being a dick again

Edit: I can say that, I know people in Virginia

 

[Pope Thrax]

As a fellow Marylander, I second this. For too long we have had to deal with the oppression of Virginia and Pensylvania. And now even Delaware, one of the smallest of states, gets some of our land? It's an outrage! (See below.)

Spoiler

But seriously, Conoy could have that Western part, at least.

You can have West VA. No one wants that place anyways.

 

[Belissarius]

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

lol.

 

[Danfish77]

Californian here, at least you guys have provinces!
All we have are deserts!

Oregonian, here.

As far as I'm concerned, everything south of the San Francisco Bay should just be considered wasteland.

Speaking of western North America, though, the area around the Salt Lake seems eminently colonizable by standards of the time, as are most of the Great Plains areas. If people can live in Timbuktu, then they can definitely make a living in Wyoming. I know Paradox wants it to be historical, but just because historically they didn't do something doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to try in our games. I mean, they don't need to add nukes or anything, but I don't see why I couldn't put a trade post somewhere near Pocatello.

 

[Evie HJ]

Timbuktu is very close to a major inland delta, ie fertile land, AND located at a confluence of major trade routes between areas settled long before EU. so a very poor comparison point.

(And countdown to Jomini...3...2...1...)

 

[jcinq4]

At least i have no problems with Louisiana's borders!

 

[Danfish77]

Timbuktu is very close to a major inland delta, ie fertile land, AND located at a confluence of major trade routes between areas settled long before EU. so a very poor comparison point.

I'm sorry for disturbing your lovely Timbuktu, I hear its mud mosque is pretty neat.
Meanwhile, there are dozens of territories in the game that were not historically peopled in any settled way nor were particularly fertile nor included major trade routes. They only exist because at some point in the game's timeframe, a European power settled it.

However, there is at least one province, Aleut, that was not permanently settled until the 1790s. As far as I know, the game ends in the 18th century, making basically all of Alaska empty, in game terms, anyway. If we can have ahistorical provinces, then, I still don't see why we shouldn't be able to have more of them. I can accept places like in the Himalayas, or the arctic, or interior Greenland, or the deep Sahara or Rub al Khali; But I can't think of a very good reason why most of the western half of North America isn't colonizable, even traversable.

 

[guga912]

I'm sorry for disturbing your lovely Timbuktu, I hear its mud mosque is pretty neat.
Meanwhile, there are dozens of territories in the game that were not historically peopled in any settled way nor were particularly fertile nor included major trade routes. They only exist because at some point in the game's timeframe, a European power settled it.

However, there is at least one province, Aleut, that was not permanently settled until the 1790s. As far as I know, the game ends in the 18th century, making basically all of Alaska empty, in game terms, anyway. If we can have ahistorical provinces, then, I still don't see why we shouldn't be able to have more of them. I can accept places like in the Himalayas, or the arctic, or interior Greenland, or the deep Sahara or Rub al Khali; But I can't think of a very good reason why most of the western half of North America isn't colonizable, even traversable.

You do know that Alaska is in the arctic right?

 

[Danfish77]

You do know that Alaska is in the arctic right?

Actually the majority of Alaska is below the arctic circle, and the capital, Juneau, is further south than Stockholm, a place I don't think many would describe as "arctic". I also said, and I'm quoting myself now,

I can accept places like in the Himalayas, or the arctic

As in, I don't mind that some areas are considered off-limits, the arctic included. But I wasn't saying that I think the entirety of the arctic should be; otherwise we couldn't colonize finnmark or the kola peninsula, which would just make me sad.

 

[Evie HJ]

The game ends in 1820 (December 31, to be exact), and Aleut's first european settlement was on Kodiak Island in 1784, 36 years before the end of the game.

 

[Danfish77]

The game ends in 1820 (December 31, to be exact), and Aleut's first european settlement was on Kodiak Island in 1784, 36 years before the end of the game.

I have since been schooled about the timeline extending to 1820, apparently I had been looking at an erroneous fact sheet. Still doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to colonize Wyoming.

 

[Evie HJ]

And yet, the first permanent trading posts - not even military forts, let alone significant permanent settlement - in Wyoming only appeared in the 1830s.

You're dealing with what was, by EU-era standards, a desert area (most of the western plains, except some valleys of major rivers), and a region that would have been extremely hard to farm with the technology European settlers knew about in the era.

(There's also an argument to be made that some parts of the region, even more so the great basin, required steel tools that weren't really available before industrialization in order to till the soil).

 

[LoneTophat]

They've never done the state I live in properly, Maine (or Abanaki in game).

 

[154509]

As a native of Michigan, the way Paradox has Michigan named and split (why not just split at the peninsulas?) hurts my eyes. Fortunately, this game is focused on Europe and not Michigan.

At least my home land of Wisconsin is a little better than your Michigan this time around. and P.S We will take the U.P back one day!

 

[Evie HJ]

"Properly" would be completely inaccurate for the period, since the modern borders of Maine were only reached in the 1840s, and for much of the timeline Maine was split between British and French

 

[unmerged(633579)]

At least i have no problems with Louisiana's borders!

I do! There should be one province for New Orleans, and one for Baton-Rouge, not this one silly province surrounding Lake Pontchartrain.

 

[Kinghillard]

Delaware is my favorite state, offcourse i've never been to Delaware or the United states.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

I do! There should be one province for New Orleans, and one for Baton-Rouge, not this one silly province surrounding Lake Pontchartrain.

At least we get our own colonial revolter.