Noob questions opinion 2.4.5

[CyberianK]

another question:
If I give away a title like a duchy or kingdom and shortly after my Character dies and is replaced by my heir that big + opinion modifier from handing out the title is gone right? Or does it also inherit to the heir?

 

[StarSword]

another question:
If I give away a title like a duchy or kingdom and shortly after my Character dies and is replaced by my heir that big + opinion modifier from handing out the title is gone right? Or does it also inherit to the heir?

Since a recent patch, hereditary succession styles (e.g. primogeniture, ultimogeniture, gavelkind, Muslim open) give the successor half of any given character's opinion of the predecessor as a temporary buff or penalty to opinion. However, this apparently doesn't happen with elective monarchies.

 

[CyberianK]

Another question:
Does Autostop ALL plots have any disadvantages? I mean that checkbox in Intrique Tab - Known Plots.
I somehow fear that I get massive opinion penalties everywhere because they don't like stopping their plots?
Anyone knows if thats the case and how serious it is?

 

[StarSword]

Another question:
Does Autostop ALL plots have any disadvantages? I mean that checkbox in Intrique Tab - Known Plots.
I somehow fear that I get massive opinion penalties everywhere because they don't like stopping their plots?
Anyone knows if thats the case and how serious it is?

Bad idea using it, but that's not why: you won't get an opinion penalty for asking a plot be stopped, though the plotter will get one from your character if he refuses (unlikely unless he really hates you).

It's more about the potential advantages you're giving up. Got a vassal of a vassal plotting against his liege? Imprison and ransom. Got a troublesome vassal plotting, period? Fail to imprison and then revoke him for rebellion. Sometimes it can even be to your advantage to allow a plot to go through, such as if somebody else is plotting the death of someone you want dead anyway.

 

[Strangedane]

Sometimes it can even be to your advantage to allow a plot to go through, such as if somebody else is plotting the death of someone you want dead anyway.

Yourself, for example.

 

[CyberianK]

THANKS, yeah I also often want them to kill each other because that removes some of the bad opinion modifiers when their heirs inherit.
So what I am doing now is going through the plot list every few years if there is something in there I don't like.

 

[jpinard]

Yeah, thanks again at the same time it seems changing all Kingdoms to elective was pretty stupid.
Vassals get a +20 opinion modifier but at the same time I get a MASSIVE -45 opinion for holding 4 kingdoms (-15 for each one over the first) that is pretty hefty and kind of makes the whle elective thing stupid over primogeniture probably?

So it seems best way might be to hand out some kingdoms vassal titles to my other dynasty members. Even more so when I am picking more kingdoms up quite soon.

How in the world did you get so big so fast? I started as Duchy of Provedence and am only 1/5 the size you are, and I'm in the year 1000 AD! Give me tips oh conquerering master!

 

[StarSword]

Yeah, thanks again at the same time it seems changing all Kingdoms to elective was pretty stupid.
Vassals get a +20 opinion modifier but at the same time I get a MASSIVE -45 opinion for holding 4 kingdoms (-15 for each one over the first) that is pretty hefty and kind of makes the whle elective thing stupid over primogeniture probably?

So it seems best way might be to hand out some kingdoms vassal titles to my other dynasty members. Even more so when I am picking more kingdoms up quite soon.

If you really want to hold all kingdoms yourself, one useful trick I saw is to make your primary title (the empire in this case) gavelkind for the demesne limit buff, and the other titles primogeniture so your firstborn keeps them.

Otherwise if you want to maintain control, parcel some kingdoms out as viceroyalties.

 

[CyberianK]

How in the world did you get so big so fast? I started as Duchy of Provedence and am only 1/5 the size you are, and I'm in the year 1000 AD! Give me tips oh conquerering master!

Its not really an accomplishment as I started as Charlemagne. So start as Karl of West Francia and 2 years in the game Karloman of Middle Francia will die and you can easily dominate everything after that. But it was more about giving landed titles to all my children.
Finally settled on Ultimogeniture because I had so many Kingdoms early that I needed a safe bet without many requirements. Not touching that anymore as changing succession laws on 5 kingdoms at the same time is a catastrophe cause those penalties stack.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

How in the world did you get so big so fast? I started as Duchy of Provedence and am only 1/5 the size you are, and I'm in the year 1000 AD! Give me tips oh conquerering master!

Its not really an accomplishment as I started as Charlemagne. So start as Karl of West Francia and 2 years in the game Karloman of Middle Francia will die and you can easily dominate everything after that.

True, Karl, aka Charlemagne, gets Middle Francia basically for free if his bro Karloman properly dies from the events.

Plus you get an event to conquer the Kingdom of Saxony. edit - but not Bohemia or Bavaria, thanks Aardvark.

edit - Oops, there is no event for Bohemia or Bavaria. However, Carloman's wife flees as a result of the event chain between Carl and Carloman. Charlemagne gets a claim on whichever semi-random location Carloman's wife flees to. That could be what I was seeing.

Plus if you marry the right Lombard Princess, you get an event to divorce her. From that it seems you get a claim on Lombardy. The events seem to overlap in strange ways though, so I'm not really clear on the event chain. Do you NOT get the claim on Lombardy if Carloman's wife runs elsewhere? Regardless how it happens, you have to own Lombardy to form the Holy Roman Empire.

(...and in 2.5.2/Conclave, you get event-based expansion for zero Threat penalty, which is a new game mechanic vaguely similar to Aggressive Expansion from EU4)

edited because I was wrong about which claims come from events on specific countries.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Plus you get an event to conquer ..., plus Bohemia
...
Plus if you marry the right Lombard Princess, you get an event to take Lombardy when the king dies,...

Wha...
Are you sure ?

So there is an event for Bohemia and one for italy when the king dies (other than getting a claim on divorce) ?
Do you know in which file or can you remember some text which in could search for, please ?
I know it's not in cm_charlemagne_story_events.txt. At least i would be very surprised as i thought i searched this file far enough for anything like you describe.
Now i'm curious. *slightly irritated*

 

[CyberianK]

Wha...
Are you sure ?

So there is an event for Bohemia and one for italy when the king dies (other than getting a claim on divorce) ?
Do you know in which file or can you remember some text which in could search for, please ?
I know it's not in cm_charlemagne_story_events.txt. At least i would be very surprised as i thought i searched this file far enough for anything like you describe.
Now i'm curious. *slightly irritated*

No I don't think there is one for Bohemia. Got the claim on italy from the princess but I think thats all. I think what he is referring to is that Karlomans family flees to Lombardy for protection after the "divorce" and death of Karloman (not Charlemagne) and that is the historical context for the casus belli.

Imho its all in the cm_charlemagne_story_events.txt I dont think there is something else
I think its important not missing the Lombardy claim other than that the rest isn't so important. There is also something with Iberia but its not so important I went for traditional Asturias Marriage and Holy Wars against Sultans instead. Also with all that turmoil in England and Scotland getting those kingdoms is pretty easy the only thing thats a bit tiring is the constant viking raids and a war with Byzantium will hopefully be interesting and when I get my first heir problems due to unexpected deaths or so but so far it went well.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

No I don't think there is one for Bohemia. Got the claim on italy from the princess but I think thats all...

Well that's what i know as well and that's why i asked.
I don't think there are these events either.
I suddenly hoped for some new revelations, but no.....

The spain event could in theory turn out for you getting a new vassal there.
At least i read of it as an optional outcome of the event in the event file, but i don't think the AI ever decides that way, but instead goes on with betrayal after the war is won.

 

[StarSword]

Its not really an accomplishment as I started as Charlemagne. So start as Karl of West Francia and 2 years in the game Karloman of Middle Francia will die and you can easily dominate everything after that. But it was more about giving landed titles to all my children.
Finally settled on Ultimogeniture because I had so many Kingdoms early that I needed a safe bet without many requirements. Not touching that anymore as changing succession laws on 5 kingdoms at the same time is a catastrophe cause those penalties stack.

Yeah, your best bet is to create the empire and parcel out the kingdoms, and then gradually retrieve them by revocation and change them to primo over time. Or leave them as gavelkind and let that weaken the kings.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

Wha...
Are you sure ?

So there is an event for Bohemia and one for italy when the king dies (other than getting a claim on divorce) ?
Do you know in which file or can you remember some text which in could search for, please ?
I know it's not in cm_charlemagne_story_events.txt. At least i would be very surprised as i thought i searched this file far enough for anything like you describe.
Now i'm curious. *slightly irritated*

You're right. I see Karl at war with Bohemia every single game but I can't find an event for it. My mistake.

...So conflict in Italy is just from a claim eh? I should try to play Karl once.

edit - Ah, it appears Karl gets a claim on the location Carloman's wife flees to (Bavaria or Lombardy mainly?). That would explain why he seems to get a claim on random Kingdoms that aren't Saxony. Also some chain gets him involved in Barcelona or thereabouts.

No I don't think there is one for Bohemia. Got the claim on italy from the princess but I think thats all. I think what he is referring to is that Karlomans family flees to Lombardy for protection after the "divorce" and death of Karloman (not Charlemagne) and that is the historical context for the casus belli.

Imho its all in the cm_charlemagne_story_events.txt I dont think there is something else
I think its important not missing the Lombardy claim other than that the rest isn't so important. There is also something with Iberia but its not so important I went for traditional Asturias Marriage and Holy Wars against Sultans instead. Also with all that turmoil in England and Scotland getting those kingdoms is pretty easy the only thing thats a bit tiring is the constant viking raids and a war with Byzantium will hopefully be interesting and when I get my first heir problems due to unexpected deaths or so but so far it went well.

Fixed my post.

 

[CyberianK]

So gave my son the kingdom of England and somehow he got imprisoned by some Danish Jarl.

Gave my son enough money for ransom - no effect
DOWed Denmark and sieged his location Vestergautland - no effect

Any solution for that except that focus where you can free peoples?

 

[StarSword]

So gave my son the kingdom of England and somehow he got imprisoned by some Danish Jarl.

Gave my son enough money for ransom - no effect
DOWed Denmark and sieged his location Vestergautland - no effect

Any solution for that except that focus where you can free peoples?

Ransom is a little messed up in this game. You can't offer to pay a ransom, you can only accept an offer made. Switch to Intrigue focus and try to free him.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Ransom is a little messed up in this game. You can't offer to pay a ransom, you can only accept an offer made. Switch to Intrigue focus and try to free him.

Thta's not true.

 

[StarSword]

Thta's not true.

Okay, so show us where the option is to offer to pay a ransom.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Okay, so show us where the option is to offer to pay a ransom.

Admittedly Paradox messed with this over patches, but there should be two ways:
-Directly as an option in the diplomacy of the guy having him imprisoned (which may not be available for a short time after the war, but i'm not sure if that still exists, as well as it might depend on traits of the guy who has him imprisoned, but the reasons are left in the deep cells of Paradox wisdom as so many mechanics are not or badly documented).
- Go to the guy who has him imprisoned, look the character up in his court. right click on him and ransom should be avilable as an option.

At least that's how i recall it. It 's definitely not true that it were impossible.
That i know for sure.