Noob questions opinion 2.4.5

[CyberianK]

Hello everybody.

I just started this paradox game after starting with EU4 2 years ago and having finished HOI3 BICE and Victoria 2.
I got the game with all DLC except Conclave cause I heard ppl complaining so currently on 2.4.5 patch
I watched a tutorial series by Arumba and played some Irish minor that made me understand the game more. Now I started with Charlemagne (King Karl West Francia).

There is some -100 hate opinion modifier on 3 of my vassals
is that a hard coded one or does anyone know where that one is coming from? Did not find anything about that one in wiki.

Thanks for any feedback.

 

[yezhanquan]

Are you playing as Charles in the 769 bookmark? If that is the case, then it is put there by PDS to simulate the intense tensions between Charles and some of his vassals.

If you play as other rulers, it is unlikely that you'll see such modifiers.

 

[CyberianK]

769
But yes its probably hardcoded.
Seems its best to make some kind of civil war or so and defeat them?

 

[yezhanquan]

Or catch them plotting and imprison them. Yeah, you get the idea.

 

[CyberianK]

Or catch them plotting and imprison them. Yeah, you get the idea.

Yeah thanks thats what I did... imprison and assasinate.

Problem now is with tribal kingdoms like Saxony. I got the kingdom but now what do I do with it? Is there some way to revoke all the titles from the chiefs and give them to real nobles or transform them to castles or such?
Seems to be a really hard choice who to give the titles to.

Shall I give the Kingdom title to a german noble and leave the High Chiefdoms with the Chiefs? Or should I murder everybody and let all fall to me and then hand the titles out to new nobles?

 

[Maeldun]

The "Hate: -100" opinion modifier is generally only seen in game if you sleep with another ruler's spouse and acknowledge the resulting child and/or are lovers with said ruler's spouse. That doesn't preclude it being assigned to certain characters in starting scenarios.

 

[Kongming Jaeger]

I think the hate is given in some form of event at the start (that I think that come with that fancy event at the start), but I haven't checked the code or played as one of the vassals to know.
The title revocation changes if you have Conclave (wich I don't own so I can't help you if you do).
If you don't, then you can revoke every title for free as long as you have medium crown authority and they are heathens.
The best thing you can do IMO with those titles is to revoke them and grant them to some frankish nobles, so that they convert the land to your religion/culture.

 

[Audoucet]

Seems to be a really hard choice who to give the titles to.

I often see people advising to carefully choose your vassals. But outside the dynasty (yours everywhere is better), I don't see the point. Not giving a title to an ambitious guy ? Why not, but he will eventually have an ambitious heir in your way, so...

 

[yezhanquan]

I often see people advising to carefully choose your vassals. But outside the dynasty (yours everywhere is better), I don't see the point. Not giving a title to an ambitious guy ? Why not, but he will eventually have an ambitious heir in your way, so...

It may not be the immediate heir, and part of the strategy is to educate your vassals' heirs in your court (at least the biggest ones).

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Yeah thanks thats what I did... imprison and assasinate.

Problem now is with tribal kingdoms like Saxony. I got the kingdom but now what do I do with it? Is there some way to revoke all the titles from the chiefs and give them to real nobles or transform them to castles or such?
Seems to be a really hard choice who to give the titles to.

Shall I give the Kingdom title to a german noble and leave the High Chiefdoms with the Chiefs? Or should I murder everybody and let all fall to me and then hand the titles out to new nobles?

Well you can revoke any title as long as they are heathens, in this case germanica and give them to frankish guys.
If it's their capital they will soon turn it into a feudal holding if not, then they will have to convert the province to catholicism first.
But there will be an event or has already happened now which will make this rather pointless. Widukind.

 

[StarSword]

I often see people advising to carefully choose your vassals. But outside the dynasty (yours everywhere is better), I don't see the point. Not giving a title to an ambitious guy ? Why not, but he will eventually have an ambitious heir in your way, so...

Well, for an expansionist ruler (e.g. all of them), vassals with high Stewardship are better at converting counties to their culture. But other than that it's mostly for RP: for example a good King might reward a loyal soldier with a land grant.

And under the gavelkind succession that a lot of northerly realms start with, you might not have enough dynasts anyway.

 

[CyberianK]

Well you can revoke any title as long as they are heathens, in this case germanica and give them to frankish guys.
If it's their capital they will soon turn it into a feudal holding if not, then they will have to convert the province to catholicism first.
But there will be an event or has already happened now which will make this rather pointless. Widukind.

So the way I did it I killed those chiefs until they had no heirs and gave the titles away to Frankish peoples.

But another problem now. The title of Duchy of Brunswick fell back to me and I want to give it to my son. Unfortunately I can't give it to him even though I can give it to others. Does anyone know why that is?
Here you see it:

 

[Maeldun]

Looks like you may have gavelkind succession. It prevents you from granting too many titles to your primary heir.
As it appears that he's already landed and a duke, you can't give him additional duchies. This is to prevent players from giving most or all of their land to their primary heir in an effort to defeat the title split that occurs during gavelkind succession.

 

[CyberianK]

Yeah THANKS just discovered that Saxony was still Gavelkind I wanted to change it to elective anyway. Now I can give him the duchy. My other kingdoms are already elective.

Works great thanks

 

[yezhanquan]

As you have noticed, different kingdoms often do not have the same succession types (unless you have made it so).

 

[CyberianK]

As you have noticed, different kingdoms often do not have the same succession types (unless you have made it so).

Yeah, thanks again at the same time it seems changing all Kingdoms to elective was pretty stupid.
Vassals get a +20 opinion modifier but at the same time I get a MASSIVE -45 opinion for holding 4 kingdoms (-15 for each one over the first) that is pretty hefty and kind of makes the whle elective thing stupid over primogeniture probably?

So it seems best way might be to hand out some kingdoms vassal titles to my other dynasty members. Even more so when I am picking more kingdoms up quite soon.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

it seems best way might be to hand out some kingdoms vassal titles to my other dynasty members. Even more so when I am picking more kingdoms up quite soon.

Well the best would probably be to destroy the kingdoms you don't need for dejure CBs.
Give s a -40 with the dejure vassal, but won't last forever and you won't have uppity kingdom vassals who might cause trouble down the road.

 

[ragnarok246]

As AB says above, destroy the kingdoms. Don't do them all in one day though, just do one at a time, and deal with the that titles de jure vassals before destroying the next kingdom.

 

[CyberianK]

Well the best would probably be to destroy the kingdoms you don't need for dejure CBs.
Give s a -40 with the dejure vassal, but won't last forever and you won't have uppity kingdom vassals who might cause trouble down the road.

WOW I did not expect that advice. Interesting!

So is that really good if I expand further? I fear I might hit my vassal limit? Can you hold half the map without kingdom vassals? I don't want to destroy them now to realise I might need them later.

 

[jpinard]

fascinating thread. I always start as a little guy, so this is quite educational.