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Wow, the subject matter of this thread has morphed more times than Sapura's user profile. ;)

With that said, let me again jump into the fray. First of all, let's get back to a crucial point made by gbraley - that there is a wide variance in the quality of schools.
Why is this? The answer is local funding: US public schools are largely financed by local property taxes, so run-down urban centers struggle, and wealthy suburban areas are excellent. Federal and state governments play a modest role in the schools, and while they occasionally offer funding initiatives to improve the quality of education; however, these programs also come with 'strings attached' such as new regulations or reporting requirements. Many people believe its this type of bureaucratic interference that really stifles the ability of teachers to do their jobs.

What is the answer? Some people say vouchers, to allow the parents to decide where to send their kids, i.e. a private school rather than a failing public school. Other people argue for more funding, although the US spends an equal or greater amount per capita than other industrialized ations. Still more argue for a shift from property taxes to sales or income taxes to spread the funds more equally between local school districts.

What is my position? I'd like to see the schools privatized. This is clearly a radical position, but the logic is as follows: The public school system is a monopolistic entity that doesn't permit parents to choose where to send their kids. This lack of choice, combined with government administration of education tends to be stifle innovation. Most teachers are excellent and dedicated to their profession, but there is limited accountability for teachers which become tenured. Some of these teachers are just in it for the excellent job security and have limited interest in working with the kids.
 

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Ehehehehe, well, I certainly did not wish to start a debate on this topic. I was merely trying to point out that the variations in the US educational system are vast. As for the question of whether a school's purpose is to produce good employees or good citizens I of course stand on the latter side of the issue. (I am a history teacher, after all)A scientist without a clue about history or society is a dangerous thing indeed.

I guess I was trying to say that you Europeans are sometimes too quick to give up on us Americans; just as many Americans are apt to give up on you Europeans. Our educational system isn't the best, but neither is it the worst. For instance, I spent some time in Germany, and while the educational system is said, rather arrogantly I believe, to produce high-minded citizens rather than employee machines, this applies mainly to the *Gymnasium*. The *Realschule* and technical schools can hardly be said to produce better citizens than the parallel systems in the United States. In addition, the concept that a child of 8 can be tracked into a particular life-long path because of a few tests scares the bejesus out of most Americans, and goes against our trend here to equalize everyone's chances....even at the expense of those who wish to push forward. (Yes, I know there are chances to jump up to a higher level, but that ignores the possibility of the 'self-fulfilling' cycle) On this score, I agree with Greven...privatization or 'magnetization' may be the keys for us Amis.

Please take no offense, people...I like the European system, but it also has its drawbacks. The issue is only one of judgment versus understanding. It is easy to riducule and stereotype our system - the US is always a juicy target - but that ignores the shining examples in our system and does not in any way help us make it better.

It is like the old issue between my host-brother Frei and I over stereotypes: I am no more a cowboyish indian-killer than he is a nazi; but these stereotypes have stuck to many peoples minds in our respective cultures. It takes a bit deeper thought to get past these easy definitions.

But the issue remains: Can I purchase the German version and play it here in the US??

By the way, I plan on using this game in my classroom. :)


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What could possibly stop you? I mean there must be some stores in Germany that sell the game AND accepts 'overseas selling'. Will the game work in an american computer? Don't laugh now guys... I don't know. Are there different standards?

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Ach, du liebe....

Well, it would be the coolest thing if I could play the game in German...I mean, I need to keep my language skills maintained, and this is certainly one way to do that!

When you say different CD standard, do you mean it would likely not play on a US standard DvD player?
 

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Please take no offense, people...I like the European system, but it also has its drawbacks.

No offense, but this sentence is a typical demonstration of American ignorance. There is no 'European system'. I can assure you that the educational system in Sweden is as different from that of, say, the UK as it is from the one in the US.

People from the US often say that they've 'been to Europe' or 'want to visit Europe', but statements like those are essentially meaningless. It is exactly like saying that you've been to Asia, or commenting the African educational system. Almost any given nation of Europe is as different from any other as the US is from Brazil.

I am certain that this confusion stems from the fact that people in the US do not have a name for their own nationality, only which continent they come from. This sad fact even forces outsiders to generalize by calling people from the US 'Americans', when in fact Argentinians and Cubans are just as American.

If all of America had been integrated into the US (as perhaps Jefferson or Franklin once envisioned) I would not complain, but honestly, I think that the USA needs a proper name. 'Atlantis' has a nice ring to it...
 

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A neologism is being always more used in France to call US citizens.
As United States are 'Etats-Unis' in French, the noun and adjective 'étatsunien' has been invented.
Doesn't ring to well in English although. Unitedstaters ? Unistatians ? or just Yankees ? ;)
 

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Sting, I was probably be wrong about the differnece in CD standard. It may just be DVD that have different standards. If my memory is right the difference are not really difference in standard but somenthing is done so that American, Europeaan and Asian DVDs are not fully compatible.
 

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Sting,

To sumarize. The PC itself are no problem, that your computer have a american setup should not be a problem to run an german program (I run american program all the time on me computer setup for Sweden and swedish programs sometimes on my computer setup for US). Some sentences or function in the german program may become english but no other problem should occur.

The CD standar may be a problem but I think it just DVD which differs.
 

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Originally posted by AdMartin:
[So at least the Americans don't think the vikings came from Sweden. They think that people from Sweden joddle and make clocks...
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No when American think of Sweeden they think of three things:

1. Ugly Saab cars (and they are ugly)
2. The Sweedish bikini team- it was a beer commercial thing.
3. Child Pornography

Not saying right or wrong but that is why most Americans will know.
 

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Originally posted by Sidney:
No when American think of Sweeden they think of three things:

1. Ugly Saab cars (and they are ugly)
2. The Sweedish bikini team- it was a beer commercial thing.
3. Child Pornography

Not saying right or wrong but that is why most Americans will know.

Ok, my 2 cents on this is:

It is spelled Sweden with 1 e.

1. Ok, I agree...
2. Nah, they're from Milwaukee. American invention.
3. That was very odd, why is that? I knew Americans connected Sweden with porn but not that... I feel almost insulted.


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No when American think of Sweeden they think of three things:

Ah, another 'Sweeden' guy. Trying to bug me I suppose. :)

1. Ugly Saab cars (and they are ugly)
Saab is owned by General Motors...

2. The Sweedish bikini team- it was a beer commercial thing.
And why did they choose a 'Swedish' bikini team for the commercial? Answer that question and you will know what Americans really think of Sweden. :p

3. Child Pornography
Um, are you sure you're not confusing Sweden with Belgium or Japan?
 

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Concerning Cds and DVDs, there is NO differences between CDs all over the world. Any program on any CD in any language will run on any PC in the world.
Salon DVD players (not the disk itself, not the DVD drive you have in your PC) are coded so that a European salon DVD players cannot read American DVDs. THis is to 'protect' the film industry. Some films are already on DVDs in the US when they are not yet out in the European cinemas... Nothing to do with computer programs...
 

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Top ten reasons for being Swede :
1. Blonde girls
2. Beautiful panzer-like cars
3. Tall girls
4. Build monstruous ships for the fishes
4. Blue eyed girls
5. Surströmming
6. Long legged girls
7. Cannot understand Norwegian
8. Sooo cheap alcohol to help with girls
9. Welfare state
10. long nights in winter to enjoy the girls
 

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So you are familiar with Surströmming, yndenwal? I can't stand the stinking things myself, but then I don't like fish in general. I suppose it's better than Escargot though. ;)

(Surströmming is a kind of fermented fish that stinks to high heaven. I am told it is somewhat similar to the ancient Roman spice garum.)
 

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Originally posted by Patric:
Ok, my 2 cents on this is:

It is spelled Sweden with 1 e.
1. Ok, I agree...
2. Nah, they're from Milwaukee. American invention.
3. That was very odd, why is that? I knew Americans connected Sweden with porn but not that... I feel almost insulted.

Patric

1. Don't correct my spelling, pet peeve of mine. i don't take the time to really think deeply about message board posta nd my fingers will outfly my brain. I'm well aware of the speelign but don't take time to think about it in this context.

2. Why child porno? There is a belief that there is no age of consent in Sweden and so child porn is legal (and on this front I don't actually know the truth nor particularly care)
 

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Originally posted by yndenwal:
Hi Sting,
You say the goal is to get a job... Well we had in France a Minister who said : 'school is not here to produce salaries but to produce citizens.' I tend to agree with him, although I admit that a citizen with a job is better than a jobless one.

Education is theoretically about making better citizens for a democracy but in large part that rationale has been buried in fasvor the easier the justify (and more tangible) 'getting a better job' logic. Problem is that these 'educated' folks will tend to have limited skills in analysis, communication, critical thinking and flexibility. A critical problems with taking the liberal arts or humanities out of education.

I have met some wonderful and very fine Americans but on the other hand, I have met students of a business course at the University that could ask such amazingly stupid questions (ie 'is there elctricity in Europe?' - this is real life experience) that you can only wonder what kind of society/educational system brought this pathetic result.
My perception is not 'so woefully incompetent' but is in adequation with what I consider an educational system should do.

Business students, the bane of my existence. These are folks who are going to college as a vo-tech experience not an educational experience
 

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Top then reasons for being an ex Pole Australian.


10. Drinking alcohol
9. Drinking alcohol
8. Drinking alcohol

7. Beta testing EU, fixing errors no one else would ever find (or care about finding) in a million years.

6. Annoying Johan to fix them ... :)

5. Eating roo meat

4. Flaming Swedes and them inturn you about which country (Poland or Sweden) gets more brownie points.

3. Impressing girls by speaking other languages...

'Czesc Mihal!', screams a Swedish blone, misprouncing the words in Polish..

'Heh, no need for that lass, I can chat in English too ..', smiles Michael thrusting his pelvic region into the air..

'ohhhh!', girl ...

(I suppose it'd be better if I knew Swedish too .. damned manual..) ..


2. Insulting fools who think just because you live in Australia that means you know bugger all about Europe.


1. Living in the best country on Earth (oooohhhh)..

<shaked head>

I've got too much time on my hands ..


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Originally posted by Jiminov:
Wow, the subject matter of this thread has morphed more times than Sapura's user profile. ;)

With that said, let me again jump into the fray. First of all, let's get back to a crucial point made by gbraley - that there is a wide variance in the quality of schools.
Why is this? The answer is local funding: US public schools are largely financed by local property taxes, so run-down urban centers struggle, and wealthy suburban areas are excellent. Federal and state governments play a modest role in the schools, and while they occasionally offer funding initiatives to improve the quality of education; however, these programs also come with 'strings attached' such as new regulations or reporting requirements. Many people believe its this type of bureaucratic interference that really stifles the ability of teachers to do their jobs.
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Bottom line is that US school SYSTEMS have enough money but schools don't. American schools but $.45 out of every $1 into the classrom. By contrast the Danes put $.88 of every dollar into the classroom and even the French (not noted for thier fabulous effeciency while we're playing with sterotypes here) even put $.52 out of every $1 into the classroom. The Danes (and most other Euro-types) spend their $$ on teachers and classroom materials while American systems (particularly the mostly disfunctional urban systesm) put most of their money inot adminsitration. Poorly placed priorities. South Dakota spend less than half what Washington DC does per pupil but gets notably better results.
 

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So you are familiar with Surströmming, yndenwal?
Yes, I told you I had worked with Swedes for one year. Surströmming and tobacco to chew... Yeerrkkk
That's why you cannot trust Swedes: have signed the treaty to ban chemical weapons, yet produce tons of Surströmming each year... :D
And I tell you, escargot are delicious, with beurre à l'ail, hmmmm. With a dry white wine or a red Bourgogne. :)