for the leaders i think you could just assign a new id to them. i dont know who are they conflicting with.
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Then for the 1at option you should have revolts in those provinces where the treasure fleet was housed if you chose the 1st option (i can't think offhand which provinces those would be represented in-game as i can remember only some of the port names).Sun_Zi_36 said:
Also was expanding really one of those options if scrapping it and turning even more inward wasn't? I'd think maintaining it at its current level would be a more likely 3rd option.
But in any case this shouldn't be the final descion. The 1525 event can be different based on what choice you made (ie different flags for each choice to fire different path of events).
Ok, but i wonder for the 1st year atleast i'd think the 10% RR wouldn't be that unwaranted for either extrene case since you'd be devoting massive resources either way. Actually i'd make it higher for the shift to land, but i think that would make people even less likely to chose that path.Sun_Zi_36 said:
Okay, I'm about to release the latest compile. However, it will not include your province.csv changes as you have something funky going on in them. I think I know where the crash upon loading errors are coming from in them...you've defined a city but then still have the N/A bit. However, I don't know exactly how many columns need to be removed, and since you changed them, it'd be great if you could get them working for the latest beta.
Jinnai said:
Because the game clearly has a different idea about what a certain range of RR is supposed to represent.
This was the first thread I visited when trying to see what the fuss over AGCEEP mod was all about, and I have to confess, the idea that anything could have 800 RR turns me off to the whole idea. It sounds like you're fighting the games' mechanisms rather than working with them.
The main problem appears to me to be the same problem as with the native nations in America: The Chinese conception of nationalism and the state is so very different from the European conception.
What you're describing to me doesn't sound like rampant rebellions in provinces that would fit the European definition of "owned."
I'm not sure what exactly is going on, even after reading the thumbnail history, but what it sounds like, from a European POV...
Vietnam is an independent nation which China has Core Shields on... of course *China* will tell you, and history records, that Vietnam is/was a rebellious part of the Empire, but the Vietnamese at the time felt differently. Vietnam resisted total overthrow by China through some convenient "Enthusiasm for the Army" events. If the GC starts in the middle of this war, let China Control - but not Own - some vietnamese provinces, but start with Vietnamese armies already Sieging to reclaim those provinces. If it is an extended "rebellion," one that China is not intended to crush instantly, I'd hint to the AI however possible that accepting Vassalage rather than provinces is the proper way to end the war... then have an event a few years later which allows Vietnam to break vassalage and start up the war again. If Chinese armies were a constant presence down there, feel free to wave that away as where the other half of the province money (that China didn't get through its vassalage) is *really* going for: A game-invisible army of oppressors, AKA: The Vietnamese Government.
Another option would be to take a lesson from the OE's failures in the latest vanilla patches, salt the "core" chinese provinces with three different religions, then make all the client states a fourth religion. It may have an intense desire to conquer the states, but religious tolerance problems will make those states continually revolt away and declare independence. Of course, that'd prolly require recoding religions a little too much, or throwing historical accuracy out the window wrt provincial religion. And it just ensures that China will have revolt problems, not that the revolts will be at all historical.
There is no way to get program the AI to want a vassalage instead of taking provinces.
Was that intended as a refutation, or are you asking that I come up with something else?
TBox said:
I'm just saying that there are reasons why this particular implementation was chosen and you should try it out, if only to give more support to your argument.
The 1200% RR was for one province in japan for less than one year. However this was one of the few wars fought in a major city, in this case the capital and fought constantly. Urban warfare at its most intense. It wasn't some countryside and one-off battle. over 90% of Kyoto was destroyed and never recovered from this in all of EU2 time period atleast.
A guaranteed 1 battle per month would barely scratch the number off all-out battles in the city during that time. These weren't just skirmishes or raids.
Hopefully in the new map i can get rid of this, but right now i can't.
A guaranteed 1 battle per month would barely scratch the number off all-out battles in the city during that time. These weren't just skirmishes or raids.
Hopefully in the new map i can get rid of this, but right now i can't.
Jinnai said:
Well, okay, that raises a question. Do EU battles really correlate to RL battles? I know that quashing rebel scum can be done in a few days of game time, but I've seen big battles, on both land and sea, take months of game time to resolve. I've looked over the combat faq, but still am not quite sure what makes some battles take so long to finish.
TBox said:
Kinda off topic, but EU is actually based on a (mind-bogglingly complicated) board game, so combat really occurs as a series of "dice rolls." Long skermishes and battles on land are fine, but it is a bit of a pain to see naval battles take six months to produce a result - especially since the AI can disembark troops in the meantime. My understanding is that this stays in, because in adapting the game, Paradox undertook not to change the format too drastically...
To keep the post as a whole on topic: China ruuules! Go China! WOOT!!!
yeaaah,
jay.
i think the funkiness might be caused by me using an asian operating system when editing the file. if u could change them for me that would be great. the only changes are:Garbon said:
the "area" for provinces 614, 615, 616 and 617 are changed from Amur to Kamchatka;
the culture for provinces 662 and 663 are changed to confucianism; and
the city name for province 1606 is changed to Hami instead of Turpan
first of all, welcome to AGCEEP. I'm glad to hear that this thread most attracted your attention in the forum.TBox said:
you have made some good points. yes, chinese and european conception of what is owned is different; and yes, in a sense 800 RR seems to be rather odd within the game mechanism.
the model of chinese ownership of vietnamese provinces with RR is chosen because it is the most suitable within the game mechanism. this is because to have vietnamese ownership of the provinces with chinese control will create ahistric results. if china has control of all vietnamese provinces, it will have 100% war score, it will just conclude some kind of peace, probably annex all of Dai Viet's provinces except the capital. there is no incentive in the game for China to continue controlling vietnamese provinces without annexing them. this in itself is ahistorical and will cause further problems if you try to adhere to this model further on.
in relation to 800 RR, actually, before the change of RR mechanisms in v 1.08, the "fall of Ming" sequence for China in the mid 1600s consists of RR of 10% for the entire country, but it is even more like fighting against the game mechanism than the vietnamese revolt risk here. i have tested the vietnamese sequence quite a lot, and i dont think it will be like fighting against the game mechanism as it seems, because it can be controlled, although with substantial effort, and if you are successful in the end you get to regain vietnam as culturally part of china by event, so it's really using game mechanisms to achieve something, rather than working against it.
Hello,
I come from the French AGCEEP translation team and am an acquaintance of Aegnor and YodaMaster. I am particularly interested in Mongolian tribes'history and have therefore decided to take on the writing of several events about Mongolia. My events tend to describe the domestic conflicts between the different Mongolian tribes. However, Yoda told me that a tag was set aside for the Oirats and that Sun_Zi wanted Mongolia to be divided between Oirats and Khalkhas. This is of course a considerable change for my events propositions as well as for my list of Mongolian leaders. This is why I would like that the direction to take would be clearly defined: would Mongolia be affected by "civil war" or would there be two Mongolian nations fighting for hegemony?
Thank you in advance for answering.
I come from the French AGCEEP translation team and am an acquaintance of Aegnor and YodaMaster. I am particularly interested in Mongolian tribes'history and have therefore decided to take on the writing of several events about Mongolia. My events tend to describe the domestic conflicts between the different Mongolian tribes. However, Yoda told me that a tag was set aside for the Oirats and that Sun_Zi wanted Mongolia to be divided between Oirats and Khalkhas. This is of course a considerable change for my events propositions as well as for my list of Mongolian leaders. This is why I would like that the direction to take would be clearly defined: would Mongolia be affected by "civil war" or would there be two Mongolian nations fighting for hegemony?
Thank you in advance for answering.
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I think there's a tag reserved for them, it looks like that in the list. Making the events you suggested would be a good thing as they currently have few.
One of the main reasons for including the Mongols was to have them invade China from time to time, but that has also not been done so far.
One of the main reasons for including the Mongols was to have them invade China from time to time, but that has also not been done so far.
Yes, it is PRT for Oirat. And Semi-Lobster found a symbol for Oirat's graphics.
Birger did the EGUFSM graphics too (we just lack vanilla ones). See here.
Birger did the EGUFSM graphics too (we just lack vanilla ones). See here.
Buddhism in Mongolia
The Great Tea Road
Others
Oirats in Mongolia
Historical Monarchs
Bogdo Gegeen were the spiritual leaders of Lamaist Buddhism in Mongolia during the years of Chinese rule. They were regarded as the titular rulers of the Mongol people and played a significant role in administration.
More events to come (wip)...
Code:
event = {
id = 115000
trigger = { }
random = no
country = ASS
name = "Buddhism Breaks Through in Mongolia"
desc = "In 1566, Khutukhtai, the great-nephew of Altan Khan, lord of the Tümets, became converted to Tibetan Buddhism and arranged a meeting between the latter and Seunam Gyamtso. The monk, who is thought of as Tsongkhapa’s third reincarnation, persuaded the Mongolian lord to convert likewise in 1758. Altan Khan then confered him the title of “Dalai-lama”, “dalai” referring to the ocean, and consequently to universality."
date = { day = 28 month = june year = 1578 }
action_a ={
name = "Let us convert to Buddhism"
command = { type = religion which = buddhism }
command = { type = provincereligion which = 596 value = buddhism } #Touva
command = { type = provinceculture which = 596 value = mongol } #Touva
command = { type = provincereligion which = 594 value = buddhism } #Bratsk
command = { type = provinceculture which = 594 value = mongol } #Bratsk
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 590 value = 1 } #Angara
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 591 value = 1 } #Krasnoyarsk
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 592 value = 1 } #Balakhta
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 593 value = 1 } #Tchuma
command = { type = relation which = TIB value = 200 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 115002 }
}
action_b ={
name = "Let us preserve our ancestors’ religion"
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 596 value = 1 } #Touva
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 594 value = 1 } #Bratsk
command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
command = { type = relation which = TIB value = -50
command = { type = sleepevent which = 115001 }
}
}
event = {
id = 115001
trigger = {
religion = Buddhism
event = 115000
}
random = no
country = ASS
name = "End of Religious Upheaval"
desc = "In consequence of his conversion to Buddhism, Altan Khan ordered that some religious practises such as human or animal sacrifices would be prohibited. The new religion quickly spread through all the social strata, as Shamanism and Buddhism got intertwined, bringing religious discord to a conclusion."
date = { day = 28 month = june year = 1588 }
action_a ={ #Ok
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 590 value = -1 } #Angara
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 591 value = -1 } #Krasnoyarsk
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 592 value = -1 } #Balakhta
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 593 value = -1 } #Tchuma
}
}
event = {
id = 115002
trigger = {
religion = pagan
event = 115000
}
random = no
country = ASS
name = "End of Religious Upheaval"
desc = "Nevertheless, Mongolian tribes never really adopted the new religion, despite several attempts to convert them. Under shamanic authority, human and animal sacrifices were maintained, and the last remnants of Buddhist monks were soon swept away."
date = { day = 28 month = june year = 1588 }
action_a ={ #Ok
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 596 value = -1 } #Touva
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 594 value = -1 } #Bratsk
}
}
event = {
id = 115003
trigger = {
religion = buddhism
}
random = no
country = ASS
name = "Erdeni-Juu Monastery Construction"
desc = "Soon after Altan Khan’s conversion, the lord of the Khalkas, Abdai Khan, also became converted to Tibetan Buddhism. As a sign of his faith, he had built Erdeni-Juu Great Monastery (the “Jewel Monastery”), which still exists today."
date = { day = 18 month = june year = 1585 }
action_a ={
name = "Build the Monastery"
command = { type = provincereligion which = 602 value = buddhism } #Selenga
command = { type = provinceculture which = 602 value = mongol } #Selenga
command = { type = missionaries value = 2 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -200 }
command = { type = vp value = 100 }
}
action_b ={
name = "Don’t build it"
command = { type = missionaries value = -1 }
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
}
}The Great Tea Road
Code:
event = {
id = 115004
trigger = {
exists = RUS
atwar = no
NOT = {
war = { country = RUS country = CHI }
}
}
random = no
country = ASS
name = "The Great Tea Road"
desc = "During the XVIIth century, Russian ambassador Starkoff brought back some tea to the tzar, thereby starting a profitable trade between Russia and China.
Tea soon became the most popular beverage in Russia and was conveyed along the caravans trading road, which has become part of history under the name of « Great Tea Road ». When the town of Kiakhta was founded, it grew into the biggest wholesale trading center between Asia and Russia as well as a part of Eastern Europe. Tea was carried to Irkutsk, which became a junction for commercial roads between Europe and Asia, then across the Buriat territory and Baikal lake. The caravan would usually peregrinate for more than one year. From Irkutsk, tea was sent out to the markets in Tobolsk, Tiumen, Nijni Novgorod and many other towns, before eventually being dispatched throughout Russia. The Great Tea Road was 9 to 10 000 km long, and held the second place for its turnover, directly following the Silk Road."
date = { day = 0 month = january year = 1727 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 28 month = december year = 1730 }
action_a ={
name = “The Great Tea Road runs through our lands!”
command = { type = cash value = 200 }
command = { type = trade value = 3000 }
command = { type = infra value = 1000 }
command = { type = relation which = RUS value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = CHI value = 50 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 600 value = 2 } #Irkutsk
command = { type = provincetax which = 602 value = 2 } #Selenga
}
}Others
Code:
event = {
id = 115005
trigger = {
owned = { province = 604 data = -1 } #Buriat
stability = 2
domestic = { type = serfdom value = 5 }
}
random = no
country = ASS
name = "Buriat Princes"
desc = "The Buriats formerly lived in tribes whose members were in majority blood-related. A prince reigned at the head of each tribe and his power was handed down from generation to generation. The lands were at everyone’s disposal, but the cattle was private property. A group of leading princes gradually stood out and got the upper hand over minor princes, who were already exploiting the poorest masses. This resulted, during the XVIIth century, in a Buriat evolution from the communal system to the feudal one."
date = { day = 0 month = january year = 1600 }
offset = 180
deathdate = { day = 28 month = december year = 1700 }
action_a ={
name = “Buriat princes seize the power”
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 604 value = 2 } #Buriat
}
}
event = {
id = 115006
trigger = { }
random = yes
country = ASS
name = "Anza!"
desc = "Some Mongolian tribes used to make bloody reprisals, sanctioning all sorts of crimes, especially murder, with a fine called « anza ». The offence might sometimes be forgiven thanks to an oath that had to be taken in some sacred place, but more generally, there would be a violent execution, should the fine not be paid immediately."
action_a ={
name = “Justice shall prevail”
command = { type = cash value = -50 }
}
action_b ={
name = “ Let us stop those archaic practises ”
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
}
}Oirats in Mongolia
Code:
event = {
id = 115007
trigger = {
monarch = 013002
}
random = no
country = ASS
name = "Oirats Unify Mongolian Tribes"
desc = "A large part of the Mongolian tribes has remained unwilling to accept the sovereignty of the Yuan Dynasty who lived mainly to the West side of the Baikal lake and to the North of the Altai. Those Mongolians called 'Oirat' were strangers to the turmoil that shook Genghis Khan’s heirs and which led to the expulsion of the last Yuan emperor in 1638, nevertheless they still represented a power to be reckoned with. Their leader, Esen Toghan Tayisi, began conquering scattered tribes in 1434, and then unified Mongolia under his power."
date = { day = 0 month = january year = 1438 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 28 month = december year = 1439 }
action_a ={
name = “Mongolia is reunified”
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 2 }
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
action_b ={
name = “Western lands do not matter”
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -2 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
}
}
event = {
id = 115008
trigger = { }
random = no
country = ASS
name = "Esen Tayisi Captures Chinese Emperor !"
desc = "During a military operation in 1449 to the North-West at the Mongolian border, Emperor Zhu Qizhen (Yingzong) was captured by Esen Tayisi’s men, following a dreadful battle which is reported to have caused many deaths. However, Mongolians did not take advantage of their position to rush and conquer China. Yu Qian, the Chinese War Minister, rejected any negociation to free the illustrious prisoner. Eventually released in 1450, the Emperor had a bad surprise : indeed his brother Zhu Qiy (Shizong) had in the meanwhile arranged his coronation. The dethroned Emperor consequently exchanged his prison for another."
date = { day = 22 month = november year = 1449 }
offset = 0
deathdate = { day = 23 month = november year = 1449 }
action_a ={
name = “We have captured Emperor Ming !”
command = { type = relation which = CHI value = -100 }
command = { type = MIL which = 1 value = 72 }
command = { type = CAV which = -2 value = 10000 }
command = { type = vp value = 100 }
}
}
event = {
id = 115009
trigger = {
NOT = {
domestic = { type = centralization value = 8 }
}
}
random = no
country = ASS
name = "Oirats Got Divided"
desc = "Esen Tayisi, the hero behind Emperor Ming’s capture, put himself on the throne in 1452, but his reign was short and competed with that of the Mongolian leader, Molon Khan Togus. Esen Tayisi was assassinated in 1455 and his heirs couldn’t hold the tribes together. The Oirats got then divided between three groups : the Jüüngars (Left Hand), after whom Dzungary, an area to the North of the Xinjiang, will be named, the Khoshuuts, and the Torguuts, the latter being also known as Kalmuks."
date = { day = 0 month = june year = 1455 }
offset = 100
deathdate = { day = 28 month = december year = 1469 }
action_a ={
name = “Every one is free to pitch his yurt wherever he wants”
command = { type = centralization value = -2 }
command = { type = ADM which = -2 value = 60 }
}
action_b = {
name = “ We must be one people !”
command = { type = centralization value = 1 }
command = { type = stability value = -3 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 5 }
}
}
event = {
id = 115010
trigger = { }
random = no
country = ASS
name = "The Interregnum"
desc = "The last Oirat monarch only led a handful of tribes. When he died in 1470, the Mongolian population was once again split up into dozens of clans fighting for power, cattle, or lands. Western Mongolians threw off the last remains of the Oirat yoke and joined Great Khubilai Khan’s descendants. An exceptional woman, Mandukhai Khatun, took under her wing one of the few survivors of Gengis Khan’s lineage, Batu-Möngke. She put him on the throne, expelled the Oirats from Mongolia, and took on the role of regent. When he reached the age of 18, Batu-Möngke married his adoptive mother and titled himself the Dayan Khan. His reign was incredibly long and allowed Mongolia to enjoy its first period of peace and prosperity since the fall of the last Yuan emperor."
date = { day = 0 month = june year = 1470 }
action_a ={
name = “Let us expel the Oirat leaders”
command = { type = revolt which = 592 } #Balakhta
command = { type = revolt which = 594 } #Bratsk
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 601 value = 1 } #Chatga
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 603 value = 1 } #Ulan Ude
command = { type = CAV which = 603 value = 5000 } #Ulan Ude
}
}Historical Monarchs
Code:
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 013000 }
startdate = {
year = 1419
month = january
day = 0
}
deathdate = {
year = 1425
}
name = "Eseku"
DIP = 1
ADM = 3
MIL = 5
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 013001 }
startdate = {
year = 1425
}
deathdate = {
year = 1438
}
name = "Adai Qa'an"
DIP = 1
ADM = 4
MIL = 5
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 013002 }
startdate = {
year = 1438
}
deathdate = {
year = 1440
}
name = "Esen Toghan Tayisi"
DIP = 5
ADM = 7
MIL = 5
dormant = no
remark = "Unification of Mongolia"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 013003 }
startdate = {
year = 1440
}
deathdate = {
year = 1452
}
name = "Tayisung Qa'an"
DIP = 2
ADM = 5
MIL = 5
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 013004 }
startdate = {
year = 1452
}
deathdate = {
year=1455
month = june
day = 0
}
name = "Esen Tayisi"
DIP = 2
ADM = 3
MIL = 7
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 013005 }
startdate = {
year=1455
month = june
day = 0
}
deathdate = {
year = 1463
}
name = "Maqa Kurkis"
DIP = 2
ADM = 3
MIL = 4
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 013006 }
startdate = {
year = 1463
}
deathdate = {
year = 1467
}
name = "Mandughuli"
DIP = 3
ADM = 3
MIL = 3
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 013007 }
startdate = {
year = 1467
}
deathdate = {
year = 1470
}
name = "Bayan Mongke"
DIP = 2
ADM = 1
MIL = 2
dormant = no
remark = "End of Oirat rule"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 013008 }
startdate = {
year=1470
month = june
day = 1
}
deathdate = {
year = 1479
}
name = "Mandukhaï Khatun (Régente)"
DIP = 7
ADM = 3
MIL = 5
dormant = no
remark = "Restoration of the Gengiskhanids"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 013009 }
startdate = {
year = 1479
}
deathdate = {
year = 1543
}
name = "Dayan Khan"
DIP = 6
ADM = 6
MIL = 6
dormant = no
remark = "Unification of Mongolia"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 013010 }
startdate = {
year = 1543
}
deathdate = {
year = 1583
}
name = "Altan Khan"
DIP = 6
ADM = 6
MIL = 5
dormant = no
remark = "Buddhism in Mongolia"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 013011 }
startdate = {
year = 1583
}
deathdate = {
year = 1592
}
name = "Tumen Jasaghtu"
DIP = 3
ADM = 3
MIL = 3
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 013012 }
startdate = {
year = 1592
}
deathdate = {
year = 1604
}
name = "Sechen Khan"
DIP = 3
ADM = 3
MIL = 3
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 013013 }
startdate = {
year = 1604
}
deathdate = {
year = 1634
}
name = "Ligdan Khan"
DIP = 1
ADM = 2
MIL = 3
dormant = no
remark = "Beginning of Mandchu supremacy"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 013014 }
startdate = {
year = 1634
}
deathdate = {
year = 1820
}
name = "Bogdo Gegeen"
DIP = 5
ADM = 5
MIL = 5
dormant = no
remark = "Spiritual leaders of Mongolia"
}More events to come (wip)...
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Are we sure these changes apply to both the AI and humans? I understood them to only apply to human players. If this is the case, then everything above 110% or so has virtually no effect on the AI.Jinnai said:
You did the right thing by pointing out that your events had not been commented on. Unfortunatley it oftens happen for less known areas.
I have read it, and it looks great , and could be submitted right away, to get into 1.41.
My only comment:
115007, within the desc, you cannot use "" as it will end it. Write 'Oirat'.
Go here: http://www.katica.org/cer28/eu2_cgi/eventcheck.cgi to make sure there's not something we missed in the syntax.
I look forward to reading the rest!
I have read it, and it looks great
, and could be submitted right away, to get into 1.41.My only comment:
115007, within the desc, you cannot use "" as it will end it. Write 'Oirat'.
Go here: http://www.katica.org/cer28/eu2_cgi/eventcheck.cgi to make sure there's not something we missed in the syntax.
I look forward to reading the rest!
Along with Asa's events, culture of all provinces owned by Mongolia should be mongol instead of altaï as discussed with Garbon. Culture changes in Asa's events won't be necessary then.
Another interesting point (Asa's idea) is to have Djagdi (610) and Chilka (611) known by Mongolia.
With this setup, if Nerchinnsk is colonized by China or Manchus, Mongolia can send an army and discover Nerchiinsk and since Norsk is a known province, Mongolia will have a full corridor to invade China. If Mongolia doesn't colonize Djagdi or Chilka (the most important), China can't do the same (historical) and won't be able to reach Mongolia without a conquistador.
Only problem is I don't know if AI is able to discover foreign provinces with armies only (no conquistador). If it is the case, this setup is interesting but if not, Mongolia should know Nerchiinsk too but will have a full known corridor to China from start in 1419. Affordable?
Another point (bug), 1520 scenario for Manchus should at least match provinces known by Manchus in 1419 but this is not the case for Siberian provinces. I will fix this bug.
Another interesting point (Asa's idea) is to have Djagdi (610) and Chilka (611) known by Mongolia.
With this setup, if Nerchinnsk is colonized by China or Manchus, Mongolia can send an army and discover Nerchiinsk and since Norsk is a known province, Mongolia will have a full corridor to invade China. If Mongolia doesn't colonize Djagdi or Chilka (the most important), China can't do the same (historical) and won't be able to reach Mongolia without a conquistador.
Only problem is I don't know if AI is able to discover foreign provinces with armies only (no conquistador). If it is the case, this setup is interesting but if not, Mongolia should know Nerchiinsk too but will have a full known corridor to China from start in 1419. Affordable?
Another point (bug), 1520 scenario for Manchus should at least match provinces known by Manchus in 1419 but this is not the case for Siberian provinces. I will fix this bug.
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yes AI can do it. army in every level can discover TI provs that owned by other. often see that when in war condition.AI discover and get blocked couse have no MA and must turn around to find another routeYodaMaster said:
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