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Question, guys. I'm currently an Emir in the Marrakesh area, circa 810 AD, and in order to expedite feudalization, I swore fealty to the Spanish Sultan, just north of me. Thing is, the great Mali warlord to my south covets one of my provinces, and lately he's been declaring war on the Sultan to seize it.

If I were to have a non-aggression pact with the Mali tribal king, would it stop him from declaring war to get a piece of my direct realm (and indirectly the Sultan's) or have I become irrelevant and it's a matter between kings now? I had one as my current character's father, and there was no war until shortly after his death. Coincidence?

Problem is Mali shows up with 6k troops and a ton of archers (1k+) and nobody can seem to wear them down. The bulk of the Sultan's army defeated that stack once but later went south and got devastated by attrition, so the current situation is a mess, with my liege's and his allies' armies unable to coordinate and being constantly defeated piecemeal by the consolidated Mali force.

Meanwhile, my provinces are being sieged with impunity and my levy sources drained. If this keeps up, the Sultan's bound to lose the war and my province. My ultimate plan is to declare independence, but despite all these disruptions and civil wars, the Sultan always somehow manages to prioritize me and scrounge enough troops to put me down.
 

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Question, guys. I'm currently an Emir in the Marrakesh area, circa 810 AD, and in order to expedite feudalization, I swore fealty to the Spanish Sultan, just north of me. Thing is, the great Mali warlord to my south covets one of my provinces, and lately he's been declaring war on the Sultan to seize it.

If I were to have a non-aggression pact with the Mali tribal king, would it stop him from declaring war to get a piece of my direct realm (and indirectly the Sultan's) or have I become irrelevant and it's a matter between kings now? I had one as my current character's father, and there was no war until shortly after his death. Coincidence?

Problem is Mali shows up with 6k troops and a ton of archers (1k+) and nobody can seem to wear them down. The bulk of the Sultan's army defeated that stack once but later went south and got devastated by attrition, so the current situation is a mess, with my liege's and his allies' armies unable to coordinate and being constantly defeated piecemeal by the consolidated Mali force.

Meanwhile, my provinces are being sieged with impunity and my levy sources drained. If this keeps up, the Sultan's bound to lose the war and my province. My ultimate plan is to declare independence, but despite all these disruptions and civil wars, the Sultan always somehow manages to prioritize me and scrounge enough troops to put me down.
Yes, your NAP as a vassal would be irrelevant. Matter between kings.
 

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Is it theoretically possible to make it relevant, i.e. make a CB invalid if you have NAP with the title holder (even if he isn't independent)?
Yes, in some cases that would be possible, but aside from claim wars, I don't think that's very intuitive generally. Consistency is a good thing, especially if you're being consistent with the AI thinks the game works so that you don't neuter it.
 
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