Several folks have pointed out that when you add buildings, Noble Estate provinces actually reduce the manpower because of autonomy.
Doesn't this need a serious rework?
Doesn't this need a serious rework?
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Noble Estate reduces manpower?
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The bonuses granted by estates should be multiplicative instead of additive, to counter the effect of multiplicative LA.
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I think this sort of thing needs more attention, as (so it seems to me), the whole system doesn't make sense. You give up LA (ouch!) but in turn you get double the manpower boost (awesome!). Okay, I can work with that, it's a specialized province. But the manpower is actually still penalized? That makes no sense.
I know you get some national level bonuses too, but this really just seems like it's not WAD. If it *is* for some odd reason, it needs to be reworded. Saying the Nobles give you +50% manpower bonus to a province is misleading at best, considering you're actually LOWERING your manpower by doing so.
I know you get some national level bonuses too, but this really just seems like it's not WAD. If it *is* for some odd reason, it needs to be reworded. Saying the Nobles give you +50% manpower bonus to a province is misleading at best, considering you're actually LOWERING your manpower by doing so.
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Yes I noticed this too, I had a nice manpower province in Kazan, I saw building a barracks would give me 1700 more manpower. It also had a fort so I thought this is a good place to put the nobility. When I did I would get 1375 or so manpower from said barracks.
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It looks like the one who decided to make LA multiplicative didn't think about implication... hope it gets fixed soon.
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To be more precise, it reduces your manpower in provinces that have >150% total manpower bonuses as 0.75 * (1.5 + 0.5) = 1.5. For provinces below that level (due to different culture, etc) they add manpower.
Never build buildings in provinces you want to, or may need to, give to estates.
In my opinion, all modifiers should be multiplicative, not just LA
Never build buildings in provinces you want to, or may need to, give to estates.
In my opinion, all modifiers should be multiplicative, not just LA
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(with the definite exception of +trade power buildings in CoT/estuary provinces you give to the Merchants)
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When we think about it... the best provinces to give to estates are in fact the wrong cultured ones 
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This, and that it seems to be encouraged to give CoT and Estuaries to the Burghers, which kills shipbuilding times, are my main beefs with the estate system.
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You're right, I forgot that the trade efficiency effect of LA is still additive
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I would love to get word from Wiz or someone else on the EU4 team if this is WAD or an oversight related to the recent LA change.
We'll be fixing that in the patch we're releasing after the holidays (i.e not hotfixing it).
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Hey, thanks for the clarification! It's too bad it won't be fixed before the holidays, but I understand how these things go. I'm sure the team is taking some well-deserved time off as the holiday season rolls around.
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aren't the befits of have estates more to do with their national effects and the ability to use them to gain free bonuses. While giving away a lot of provinces you loose out on raw territorial power but gain other bonuses, the territorial bonuses are simply the compensation you get from gaining that autonomy.
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Or the recently conquered ones, which already have high enough autonomy that the autonomy floor of the estate won't have any effect for a while.When we think about it... the best provinces to give to estates are in fact the wrong cultured ones
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After the holidays? When is Christmas in Sweden? I am sure I have files closing on December 22, so I kind of have to work until then.
Any chance we'll get a beta version of the patch before you head on break lack just before your summer hols?
Thanks for the heads-up; looking forward to it. I need to decide on a game to play in the meantime.