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What are the names for the land a Baron and a Marquis own?

I'd say that, respectively, a barony and a marque.
 

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And a Duke owns a Duchy, a Count owns a County, and a Prince (in theory) owns a Province.

There is a fancy name for a province, when it is run by a Prince. Does anyone know what it is?

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And a Duke owns a Duchy, a Count owns a County, and a Prince (in theory) owns a Province.

Actually, prince and province have NOTHING to do with each other...

As mentioned later, a Prince rules a "Principality"

The word Prince comes from the latin "princeps", meaning "first citizen", one of the titles assumed by Augustus as the founding of the empire

The word Province comes from the latin "pro" before and "vincere" or victory, litterally "lands that have not yet been conquered" or "outlying areas." Thus the "provinces" were the outlying areas of a country, from whence we get our word "provincial" meaning backwater, or underdeveloped. Later, the term came to apply, in certain country's, to an arbitrary division of land (much as "county" has become in America... after all, we have no counts or earls)

For all who care (this has been done before on this board)

Empire = Emporer
Kingdom = King
Viceroyalty = Viceroy
Principality = Prince
Duchy = Duke
March = Margrave/Marquis/Marquise
County = Count/Earl
Viscounty = Viscount
Barony = Baron
Baronetcy = Baronet
Manor = Knight
 

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A little trivia on the question

Sometimes Duchies and Principalities are called Dukedoms and Princedoms respectively. I know that is not modern parlance, but 500+ years ago the terminology was a little less exact :)

Two others

Archduke - Archduchy
Great-Count - Great-County

The latter is slightly obscure, I only know of one state that maintained the title in all of history (Sicily before it became a Kingdom). The former was mostly restricted the Germany I believe.

Oh,

Elector - Electorate

Another of those wonderful HRE situations.

Incidentally, sometimes you will hear a marquis being associated with a 'marquisite'. (sp?)

Also their is a complication that until *relatively* recently the word 'prince' meant, in addition to the other meaning, simply a monarchical ruler (because of the Roman precedent). Hence 'The Prince' by Machiaevelli and the fact that a number of monarchs might refer to themselves as being 'Princes' - like Elizabeth I (and she called herself a Prince, NOT a Princess).
 

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A Sheriff was actually an office, not a title. Shires did have sheriifs, like provinces have governors and exarchates were overseen by exarchs etc.
 

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Isn't Shire = Sheriff missing on that list?

True enough, though a Sheriff is not considered part of the "feudal system"; the Sheriff was usually of non-noble birth, and he isn't a landed vassal to the king. A sheriff was a civil servant, put in charge of tax collection and keeping the peace in a Shire. Sheriff comes from Shire Reeve, literally "Shire Administrator" They didn't "rule" the land the way one could say that a Duke "ruled" a duchy/dukedom...
 

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Here's one missing:

Count Palatine - Palatinate (Ger. Pfalzgraf - Pfalz)


Another one I'm missing is the Seigneural title... (Fra. Seigneur, Ita. Signore)
 
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And then there's the Muslim titles:
Caliph ("successor") - Caliphate
Sultan - Sultanate
Emir - Emirate
Sheikh - ? (Traditionally the title of a tribal chief)

Sherif - Sherifate
Pasha - Pashalik
Bey - Beylik

Can anyone shed some light on the titles Sherif, Pasha and Bey? I have the impression they were originally military titles? I believe several of the Turkish spinter states after Timur were "Beyliks", like. e.g. Teke...
 

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Hehe... Swedish once then :)

Hertig (duke) - Hertigdöme
Greve (count) - Grevskap
Friherre (no idea what that is actually equivalent to) - No idea what it's called either... But then sweden never evolved a feudal hierarchy in the same way the rest of Europe did...
 

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viscount - viscountry? (Dutch= burggraaf, burggraafschap)
 

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I didn't know that about the prince/province. They sound similiar enough to be related but I guess not.

Is 'Marquess' just another name for a Marquis?

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