No Vassalized nations declaring war in EU3 please

[CatKnight]

No, being a 'vassal' alone doesn't entitle you to control their foreign policy. That's just gamey. As for vassals declaring war on each other... why not? There are examples through history of dukes and what not DoWing each other thus forcing the main government to step in and tell them to knock it off. That's the price you pay for having an empire that large. If you don't like it, keep them in your alliance. If you have too many vassals for your alliance in EU2, diploannex somebody.

 

[Registered]

Habsburgs paid yearly tribute to Ottomans for a long time period in 16th and 17th century(most of the period that they were not at war with one another). Should that qualify Austria as a vassal of the Ottoman Empire?

No, there was no political controll over Austria by the OE was there? Tribute like that should be the result of peace negotiations. (and IIRC tribute is one of the peace conditions)

There are examples through history of dukes and what not DoWing each other thus forcing the main government to step in and tell them to knock it off.

But in EUII you could not do that short of annexing the vassal. You could not force them to make peace with their enemy.

 

[joak]

Including the one that I listed, i.e.,

You'd get a CB, but you couldn't force a peace between the attacker and your vassal. You could soundly defeat the attacker, and get a 100% warscore on him, but if you made peace with him, he would still be at war with your vassall. This made it very difficult to actually protect your vassal if he wasn't in your alliance.

Just to be clear here, in general, I have no problem with vassals declaring war. I just think that the particular situation that I pointed our is quite unrealistic.

Yeah, including that one. Like I said, it's not an elegant way to handle it, and there's plenty of room for improvement, but it was reasonable.

If you have vassals you're not allied with, things get tricky and you lose a lot of the tools you had to support them. If it's a one-province vassal, it's often straightforward--let them annex, reconquer, release. Other situations get a lot tougher, if you want to protect the territorial integrity of a multi-province vassal.

But if it's that important, I wonder why I'm not allied--do I have five (or more) multi-province vassals? Have I joined another alliance for strategic reasons? Am I stuck in some older alliance that I don't want to leave, or haven't been able to ban other members from? These are situations which, in the real world, would be tricky, multi-lateral juggling acts that took skill or luck to handle, or involved the acceptance of trade-offs. Which is why, even though I don't think the mechanism is great, the effect is fine.

Incidentally I have, on some occasions, sat on an aggressor at 100% for three years so my vassal gets a white peace. Cursing at the AI for not concluding it sooner, of course

There should be some sort of diplomatic option that lets you make the other country quit attacking your vassal.

Here, I agree 100%. In fact, I'd like to force an opponent to stop attacking any country, vassal or not--the way I play, I'm often concerned about keeping the French or Austrians out of Germany, which is a very realistic goal but almost impossible to simulate in EU2, even using the "guarantee indepence" option.

Better diplo options would help the game in all sorts of ways, if they could be balanced and the AI knew how to respond. Absent them, though, I don't want to see managing huge vassal-empires by proxy become neat and tidy, which seems to be the other solution.

 

[unmerged(62858)]

I can't STAND when my vassal declares war.

If you can stand when your vassal declares war on you !!!!!!!! .............................................
Image the face of the english king when the american colonies declared independence! You must not forget that US was practic an vassal of the British Crown.
So let the vassals rebel agaist you, if you dont have good relations with them.

 

[Brownbeard]

There is a difference between revolt and random aggression. Revolt can be legitimate and can be put down and pax <insert_latinized_name_of_your_empire> restored. But when your vassal declares war on random ai nation for no specific purpose or goal...

In your example the colonies revolted against Britain, in my example, the American colonies declare war on Poland. Thus you either have to go to war versus Poland or let Poland trample your little disobedient puppet.

In a more practical example, you would be austria, the midget puppet would be strassbourg and strassbourg would declare war on one of its HRE neighbours or France. Bon apetit.

 

[unmerged(16685)]

Vassals should be allowed to do what they did IRL, that includes waging independent wars and making a mess of things.

Ofcourse it would be better if the AI was more intelligent and didn't selfdestruct this way.

What vassals did that? Declared war on however they wanted? The ottoman vassals at least had to ask the sultan for permisson to declare war

 

[joak]

There is a difference between revolt and random aggression. Revolt can be legitimate and can be put down and pax <insert_latinized_name_of_your_empire> restored. But when your vassal declares war on random ai nation for no specific purpose or goal...

In your example the colonies revolted against Britain, in my example, the American colonies declare war on Poland. Thus you either have to go to war versus Poland or let Poland trample your little disobedient puppet.

In a more practical example, you would be austria, the midget puppet would be strassbourg and strassbourg would declare war on one of its HRE neighbours or France. Bon apetit.

But the American colonies did, in effect, declare war on France before the 7 Years' War, starting fighting in the New World to get more room to expand two years before anyone in Europe was fighting. Transylvania also attacked the Hapsburgs during the 30 Years' War without Ottoman permission or approval. It happens.

Probably the only ahistorical thing about a vassalized Strasbourg attacking France is the fact that it'd be likely suicidal. But that is an AI problem, not a problem with the rules governing vassalization.

 

[unmerged(23019)]

How about transylvania/siebenbürgen (ottoman vassal) invading the polish lithuanian commonwealth in the 1650s?
The ottomans didn't get involved...

Or when the Prince of Transylvania declared war against the Hapsburgs several times in the opening years of the Thirty Years War, without Ottoman assistance.

 

[Negru Voda]

I don't want to sound stupid or something ( I haven't played EU1 or EU2 (notice that I'm the newest memeber to the forum) but I think EU3 is my dream game) ...

So like i was saying... I don't want to sound stupid or something, but can you become a vassal country yourself? And just to be sure, is a vassal country like a protecotrate or something... Sorry for ignorance ... I'm trying to learn as much as I can...

 

[jdrou]

So like i was saying... I don't want to sound stupid or something, but can you become a vassal country yourself? And just to be sure, is a vassal country like a protecotrate or something...

In EU2 it is possible for a human-played country to become a vassal; in SP it would probably only happen through a scripted event but in MP another human player might force-vassalize you or possibly (very unlikely) even diplo-vassalize. A vassal is similar to what other Paradox games call satellites or puppets; a vassal gives half its monthly tax income to its master and also allows the master's troops to cross its territory (military access). The master may also get some other bonuses depending on its domestic policies.

 

[Scotticus]

Annex

What bout when a vassal rejects diplo annex, is there still a chance that they will stop being your vassal and if so will you gain a casius bell/ cores on all his land?

 

[unmerged(18992)]

Its is ESPECIALLY annoying when one of your vassals declares war on another one of your vassals.