No Vassalized nations declaring war in EU3 please
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Neither can I.
I can't even stand it when my allies declare war, which is why most of my games consist of me picking an out-of-the-way country and staying neutral, or finding some isolated ally (like Sardinia) that will stay out of wars and keep other countries from inviting me to their alliances.
I can't even stand it when my allies declare war, which is why most of my games consist of me picking an out-of-the-way country and staying neutral, or finding some isolated ally (like Sardinia) that will stay out of wars and keep other countries from inviting me to their alliances.
Why? This happenned in real history, so why to remove this possibility? Allies can be very helpful...Lachlan said:
Harlow said:
Why vassals shouldnt declare war and fight for real independence? Its not like that when somebody is your vassal he stays loyal to you forever.
Harlow said:
I disagree. IMO, the relations between liege and vassal nations should correlate with the possibility of vassal nation declaring war on liege. Other factors should be liege´s badboy reputation and military strength comparing to vassals military forces. Let´s say that you have a vassal with -200 relations and large army. It is quite likely that he will declare war on you while a vassal with relations 200 and a small army will most likely be your vassal.
IRL a vassal was just as likely to declare war as his overlord. Removing that option makes no sense.
Your vassals should be able to declare war on you to gain independence. Your vassals should alsobe able to go to war versus other countries, but in case you're not allied with your vassal this is really annoying. I think there should allways be an option for you to support a vassal in a war.
yourworstnightm said:
Didn't you get a causus belli versus the attacker of your vassal in EU2? Or was that just in CK?
Seconded.Mssr Roy said:
What needs to be changed is the AI for declaring war, not the rules.
Vassals could always determine their own policies, including war. Removing their ability to do this would simply be a gamey way of making the difficulty level easier. In reality people had to deal with these issues.
It's realistic that vassals can declare war on their liege or on other countries. But they should not to be alloweded to become member of an alliance ... besides the alliance of their liege. That would make sense. If they want to do so, they first have to declare independence.
It was broken in EU2(when you had more than four vassals, couldnt ally them all, and they went to war among each other leading to annexation spree in HRE) and relatively fixed in Vicky(how satellites and dominions behave).
Vassal should not have the luxury of a fully independent foreign policy. Thus they should only be allowed to follow overlord to war, or revolt against him. Not to wage random wars across the globe.
Vassal should not have the luxury of a fully independent foreign policy. Thus they should only be allowed to follow overlord to war, or revolt against him. Not to wage random wars across the globe.
Vassals should be allowed to do what they did IRL, that includes waging independent wars and making a mess of things.
Ofcourse it would be better if the AI was more intelligent and didn't selfdestruct this way.
Ofcourse it would be better if the AI was more intelligent and didn't selfdestruct this way.
And twenty years from the start of the game there will be just 2-3 HRE nations left due to ai minor annexation sprees. Even P-U should hold some diplomatic restrictions, let alone vassalisation.
Now where are all these infinite examples of vassals making a mess everywhere despite the wishes of their overlord?
Now where are all these infinite examples of vassals making a mess everywhere despite the wishes of their overlord?
Not without giving the liege lord an option to intervene.Vassals should ask permission before declaring war. If the liege does not give it and they go ahead anyway relations should suffer. The liege should have the option of then mounting a punitive expedition and change the government of the vassal (put the kings younger, more cooperative, brother on the throne for example) this should end the war with a white peace.Carewolf2 said:
EDIT: And since, in EUIII, alliances will be bilateral it will be impossible to bring them all into one alliance.
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I think any vassal, being a loose part of your realm, should be automatically allied with you. Not necessarily with the rest of the alliance(if EU2esque alliances is still in, but I think it was scrapped?), but with you, it's overlord.CatKnight said:
