No Scottish wars of independence?

[RustyTurban]

Your argument doesn't hold as the missing children are from his second marriage. His chosen heir was Edward, his eldest son from his second marriage, who died alongside him in battle. Either way, there's no reason to purposefully miss out historical characters simply because you want an historical succession -- by that logic, Robert Curthose should either be missing or not allowed to succeed.

As for Scotland's succession, it probably ought to be elective to begin with and then primogeniture later on, with the Norman-taught Dunkelds.

Agreed

 

[Sleight of Hand]

Not really a good comparison, since Robert Curthose was without a doubt the duke of Normandy, so he should be in the game.

Well, of course he should be in the game, but so should those missing Dunkelds.

 

[High_King]

The English claims wereweak. If it was based on female succession the true heiress was Joanna doaughter of Louis X. However, after her posthomous brother John I died her uncles Philip V and Charles IV seized both France and Navarre. She at least got Navarre back when Charles IV died because the Valois had no claim to it. The rationalization for disinheriting her was the adultery of her mother, but there does not seem to have been any real doubts about her paternity. Her son Charles II the Bad dis half heartedly make some claims, but Navarre was too weak to do anything on its own.

It gets even worse with Henry V. Once again, if the claim comes from female descent the English claimant should have been Edmund Earl of March (the rightful and disinherited king of England to begin with) and then his sister Anne the mother of the Yorkist claimant.

But then there are a lot f such claimants in history. Alfred the Great took the throne over his brother Aethelred's sons (the excuse was that an adult was needed), yet after his death Alfred's Edward took the throne, In Scotland the true heirs should have been the sons of Malcolm III from his first marriage. But after Edgar I got the throne with English help they fade away from history.

Ahh I honestly didn't know about all this in enough detail, this is interesting. Basically though everything can be underlined anyway by the cliche'd fact that history is written by the victors - it doesn't matter the logic or flawed legalism used to justify anything, if you achieve what you set out to achieve, by God you were in the right the whole time Hahaha

 

[Divi]

Ahh I honestly didn't know about all this in enough detail, this is interesting. Basically though everything can be underlined anyway by the cliche'd fact that history is written by the victors - it doesn't matter the logic or flawed legalism used to justify anything, if you achieve what you set out to achieve, by God you were in the right the whole time Hahaha

Henry V got himself killed before he could consolidate a thing and his son deposed from one and almost from both thrones. That's not particularly victorious.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

Henry V got himself killed before he could consolidate a thing and his son deposed from one and almost from both thrones. That's not particularly victorious.

Henry VI was actually deposed from both thrones. He was later restored in England, though only as a puppet of the earl of Warwick.

 

[RustyTurban]

But Henry V won Agincourt. That and Shakespeare give him a free run and he was awesome.

 

[Zireael]

I'd love more historical wars too, and the ability to select your heir in gavelkind.

 

[High_King]

But Henry V won Agincourt. That and Shakespeare give him a free run and he was awesome.

This. Haha. Henry V was probably England's greatest monarch - he revolutionised government and infrastructure and lead one of the most hopeless campaigns to a resounding and palpable victory. Yeah so he died young and his son lost both crowns and all this lead inexorably into the War of the Roses but...but he was awesome.

And I think we can all agree "awesomeness" is the only real factor one can judge history by.

It's a shame their can't be an Agincourt start date but...obviously, with the game's timeline as it is it would be pretty pointless...