No one EVER has any money

[StatikShocker]

I have noticed this, no matter which AI I beat up in a quick show superiority war, they never have money. The only exception I can think of is the bloated Ottoman income. I'm not considering obvious gold mines like Mali and Aztec. Why does Sweden, Poland, Austria, Spain, France etc never have more than 10 ducats to demand? Are the ai's fielding armies so close to their economic limit that they can't save up money for unique buildings or building mercs in a pinch? Also, when asking for call to arms, it almost always says they are in debt. Why so many loans? Those should only be taken when you are really down. What have you guys experienced as far as this goes

 

[delpiero1234]

What you are saying is only true early on. In mid and late game the AI is making a ton of money and most countries have many hundreds of ducats in their bank.

 

[dvallance]

When you destroy an ai army, they will continue to build mercs to if your invading their territory, so yeah they spend all they money, but you can force the AI to take one loan out as well which is 6 months income so a large nation can still give you a decent sum of money. The AI is very bad with money wasting it on soldiers.

Yeah as post above says it only really applies until new world trade starts flowing and building are built.

 

[StatikShocker]

What you are saying is only true early on. In mid and late game the AI is making a ton of money and most countries have many hundreds of ducats in their bank.

its 1700? Although my neighbors in this game have really been in a constant state of war with each other, everytime I show up it is a war torn hell hole. Not sure what is going on.

 

[delpiero1234]

its 1700? Although my neighbors in this game have really been in a constant state of war with each other, everytime I show up it is a war torn hell hole. Not sure what is going on.

Are you playing without mods? Because in all of my games most countries tend to have hundreds of ducats in their bank. The richest AI country in Europe in my current game is Mantua with 675 ducats. Bar has 664 ducats. Kilawa is the richest country in my current game with 5399 ducats. I will invade them soon and take their money haha

 

[StatikShocker]

no mods. I should say that I am Russia and my neighbors are Sweden, Poland, Austria, Hungary, Ottomans, Ming, Timurids, Japan. I have defeated all of them and only Ottomans had more than that one loan to give me.

 

[Fexcad]

Sort the country page in the ledger by income to find the rich countries. After 50 years or so, a lot of inactive OPMs in the HRE sit at hundreds of ducats (Liege, Mantua, Aachen, etc). Also, a lot of non European countries just sit on piles of cash because they can't expand and have no MP for buildings. Kilawa was mentioned, Ming tends to rake it in too, before Russia robs them.

 

[shivan]

Id say it depends. I was playing ironman 1.5 and 1 province Frankfurt offered me a seperate peace for 1500 gold. Nide!!

 

[AnguyTheArcher]

This is much better, than before when for example Natives served as money boxes for early colonizers. I think it's good AI spends the money on armies and infrastructure. Wouldn't you do the same?

 

[sinkingmist]

I think the 1 loan limit is too restrictive, it'd be nicer if you could force them to take ~6 (or more) loans, but each loan you force them to take to pay you costs exponentially more warscore.
So if you've crushed them but don't want anything, you could at least force some loans and take money.

 

[StatikShocker]

I think the 1 loan limit is too restrictive, it'd be nicer if you could force them to take ~6 (or more) loans, but each loan you force them to take to pay you costs exponentially more warscore.
So if you've crushed them but don't want anything, you could at least force some loans and take money.

In civ you can demand lump sums and also income per turn for 30 turns. something similar would be nice, maybe for duration of peace treaty. wealth of nations patch would be a good place for this...

 

[Hootieleece]

This is much better, than before when for example Natives served as money boxes for early colonizers. I think it's good AI spends the money on armies and infrastructure. Wouldn't you do the same?

They still do I played a 1.5 game as France and gained 3k gold(1k from each) from various North American Tribes. Also got several hundred from each in the second war.

 

[fleetothemoon]

I have noticed this, no matter which AI I beat up in a quick show superiority war, they never have money. The only exception I can think of is the bloated Ottoman income. I'm not considering obvious gold mines like Mali and Aztec. Why does Sweden, Poland, Austria, Spain, France etc never have more than 10 ducats to demand? Are the ai's fielding armies so close to their economic limit that they can't save up money for unique buildings or building mercs in a pinch? Also, when asking for call to arms, it almost always says they are in debt. Why so many loans? Those should only be taken when you are really down. What have you guys experienced as far as this goes

You can try getting them to transfer trade power if they have no money. It can actually end up making you quite a bit of ducats in the long run E.g, force France/Sweden transfer trade, send 1 merchant to collect trade in their node and you get that income for 5 years. In the upcoming expansion, this will apparently, last until another war is declared. It's no lump sum but in 5 years time, you'd collect equivalent to 500 ducats or more depending on who it is used on.

 

[Mr. Methyl]

Really? I just played a game where I kept the Papal State alive in Frankfurt, where it had relocated, for the entirety of the game just to war with them and take their cash - and they seemed to have at least 1000 every time, usually quite a bit more, and that was by 1600. Looking around at the save with ledger and it seems like dozens of nations have 500 or more. Maybe your game just played out in a very unlucky manner.