No neighbours for tech bonus

[Soulitaire]

Russia 1545
(ex-Novgorod)

Still researching land tech 4 (coming soon) while even a few of my muslim neighbours have 6 and the catholic/reformed states are up around 12.

Since the neighbour bonus only applies to neighbours (immediate neighbours with a common border only?) of the same tech group I checked again... and only Georgia remains as a neighbour. And it's at landtech 3 as well.

So... maybe I should have left a few more orthodox statelets alive or at least tried to expand my borders to the most advanced orthodox country in time.... currently that would be Bulgaria at 4. *sniffle*

Or... or orthodox states ARE notoriously slow to advance. I had my land tech slider quite a bit up there for most of the time. The economy is running nicely (+250 yearly tax). It's just odd that I'm sooo far behind.
Or is it?

Oracle, Mirror, Tealeaves... what can you say?

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Originally posted by Soulitaire
Since the neighbour bonus only applies to neighbours (immediate neighbours with a common border only?) of the same tech group I checked again... and only Georgia remains as a neighbour. And it's at landtech 3 as well.

Oracle, Mirror, Tealeaves... what can you say?

Neighbour bonus is for ALL countries in the same techgroup, that's why all muslims tend to surge ahead in tech when China gets the event which puts it in the Muslim tech group... One of the reasons Orthodox countries advance so slowly is that there are so few small, rich Orthodox countries which can research quickly and drag the other with them. The latin tech group is quick largely because of all its high-tech minors.

 

[ale]

What about Sweden? They should have around 10 in tech and something is veeeeery wrong if you don't have a border with them.

Also, what's your infra and trade?

Edit: Sneaks back to his corner and continues with the lurking

 

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Apart from Orthodox's disadvantage when it comes to tech, another one of your problems is the way your sliders are. You said you keep land up there most of the time, which is bad for a nation like Russia. Invest in Infra (and to a certain extent Trade once it becomes valueble in Siberia), and then in the long run you will be able to pull ahead of Latin countries, although in the short run you will fall behind. (after your Infra and Trade are advanced enough you can research land at a far greater pace than you would normally.)

 

[Soulitaire]

sliders

I don't think Sweden is having a good influence on me ;o)


here's the political map of my beloved Russia with the slider settings... it's in German, but I guess y'all can figure it out, eh?

badboy is at about 20, the Golden horde and the Krim are vassals... I got my eye on Astrachan's trade center, but really can't afford to go much higher in BB value without having Austria breathing down my neck again.

Thanks for all the comments! That's sooo cool.

 

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Originally posted by ale
What about Sweden?

Sweden is in a different techgroup, so they don't influence your neighbour bonus.

Soulitaire ->
What is it that I see - Hungary? Byzantium? Are these AI controlled?
And as for your sliders - NEVER invest in different things simultaneously - you will always be better off if you research one after the other. You want to focus on trade, infra and land? Research a new level in infra by putting all your money there, then research a level in trade, then invest in land.

 

[Voshkod]

NEVER invest in different things simultaneously - you will always be better off if you research one after the other.

Would you be so kind as to explain the rationale of this concept? It seems to me you'd end up with the same tech level across the board in the end; after all, the same amount of money is being put in to each category in the long run. Or am I missing something?

Thanks.

V.

 

[Castellon]

What you are missing is the benefits of gaining the level sooner.
So if you put all your money into trade, then get the next level you will have more to invest in the next tech.

 

[Soulitaire]

I guess he means that you can get an 'upgrade' in a more focused fashion, ie. instead of waiting for 3 techs to go up in 100 years you do 1 after the other every 33 years (example).

Assuming the benefits are linear... I often figure that if the monarch and the religion modifier to 90% of the advancement no matter how much money I throw at it, then I may as well let it be.

EDIT: what castellon said... simultaneously ;o)

 

[Soulitaire]

Originally posted by robin74
What is it that I see - Hungary? Byzantium? Are these AI controlled?

Indeed. Byzantium was down to Constantinople (Thrace) but has been clawing its way back up. Hungary's government collapsed (and it bancrupted before as well). Austria is all that white stuff in central Europe. I ate most of Lithuania early on, so now most of Central Europe (ie not my allies Portugal and Neapel) hates me.

 

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Originally posted by Voshkod
Would you be so kind as to explain the rationale of this concept? It seems to me you'd end up with the same tech level across the board in the end; after all, the same amount of money is being put in to each category in the long run. Or am I missing something?
V.

Well, let's say you invest half in infra and half in land, and will reach a new level in both at 1700. However, if you put your slider all the way on infra, you might reach a new infra level at 1685. Once the new infrastructure level is completed, you invest totally in land. Due to the previous infrastructure improvements, you get more monthly tax, and so you may reach the new land tech faster. Let's say, around 1695.

So... yeah. Investing 100% tends to be a better strategy in most cases. Not all, but most.

 

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Originally posted by Voshkod
Would you be so kind as to explain the rationale of this concept?

What Castellon and Soulitaire alerady said - yes, you may end up with the same thing, but rather than advancing in trade, infra and land after 100 years, you will advance in infra in 33 years, in trade after 67 years and land in 100 years. At the end, you have advanced one level in each all the same, but additionally you also can get extra benefit of being more advanced in trade and infra for several decades (which also means that you won't really end up with the same thing - you will be better off as you will be able to accumulate more money over the given period, as a result of increase trade/infra efficiency).

Or in other words - which one would you rather have - a raise of $1000 every year or $2000 every two years? (and if your answer is that you wouldn't care since any way you would end up with a salary that's $2000 higher after two years, well, think again).

 

[Sable_Rose]

Are you using EEP?

 

[Soulitaire]

BIG EDIT:

Robin said it far more eloquently. Never mind little me ;o)

 

[Soulitaire]

Originally posted by Sable_Rose
Are you using EEP?

edited my sig to answer that

 

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He Soulitaire, your map doesn't work.

 

[Soulitaire]

Sometimes the server is down.
Doesn't happen often... and I have no control over it.

sorry.


EDIT: up and available again